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Breeze147
06-10-2004, 08:11 AM
There was a medium German bomber dubbed the "flying pencil". I see it all of the time on History and Discovery Wings. Can't remember the designation but I'm pretty sure it was a Dornier. Is this anywhere in the game? I can't find it if it is.

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Breeze147
06-10-2004, 08:11 AM
There was a medium German bomber dubbed the "flying pencil". I see it all of the time on History and Discovery Wings. Can't remember the designation but I'm pretty sure it was a Dornier. Is this anywhere in the game? I can't find it if it is.

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap16.jpg

Tully__
06-10-2004, 08:13 AM
Dornier Do-17 (and its derivatives) are not in the game.

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georgeo76
06-10-2004, 08:14 AM
Do 117, and no, it's not in the game. Even as AI

Breeze147
06-10-2004, 08:19 AM
Thanks guys. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Zayets
06-10-2004, 08:30 AM
...nothing to do with this thread, but I have see that somebody was really fast in deleting/moving that thread about Luthier and co. . I found it interesting.

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JG7_Rall
06-10-2004, 08:47 AM
DO 17 or 117? *confused*

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Dunkelgrun
06-10-2004, 08:57 AM
Dornier Do17. Later derivatives were Do215, Do217, Do317.

See the Development Update on the front page, it's being modelled for BoB.

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Jasko76
06-10-2004, 08:59 AM
There were both 17 and 117 - the 117 being a derivative, like Ju 88 and 188.

(Edit: it should read 217 ofcourse!)
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Dunkelgrun
06-10-2004, 09:02 AM
Never heard of a 117 (although this doesn't mean there wasn't one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). The only reference Google comes up with is this: http://www.oldgloryprints.com/Pencil%20Eraser.htm and I think that it's badly captioned.
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ForkTailedDevil
06-10-2004, 11:35 AM
Wasn't the Do-17 obsolete by Poland anyway?? It would be nice to have either it of the 217 though.

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S 8
06-10-2004, 01:39 PM
The only "flying pencil" in this game is the one in the TB3.

ASM 1
06-10-2004, 01:45 PM
yeah a Dornier x17 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif would be cool

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Doug_Thompson
06-10-2004, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ForkTailedDevil:
Wasn't the Do-17 obsolete by Poland anyway?? It would be nice to have either it of the 217 though.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Ju 88 was much better, particularly in the defensive armament department. The Ju 88 had more guns and better fields of fire for them. The huskier Ju 88 design proved to be far more adaptable to all sorts of uses, too. They didn't call the Do 17 the "flying pencil" for nothing.

Would be a nice plane to shoot down, though. They were being phased out by the Russian invasion, however.

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NegativeGee
06-10-2004, 02:12 PM
Some Do-17Z2's saw very limited service over Russia in December 1941 and again in July-November 1942. They were flown by Croatian volunteers in KG 3 and KG 53.

2 Do-215B3 examples were sold to the Soviet Union as well before Barbarossa was launched.

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Von_Zero
06-10-2004, 02:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
Some Do-17Z2's saw very limited service over Russia in December 1941 and again in July-November 1942. They were flown by Croatian volunteers in KG 3 and KG 53.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
There was also a Rumanian long range recon unit that used the Do-17M and Z I think, but thay were all lost after Stalingrad.
BTW Doug_Thompson, it wasn't called like that because it was worse or not than the Ju-88, it was called "The Flying pencil", because from the sides, it's thin fusselage seemed to be longer than normal (even if in fact it's wingspan weas greater than it's lenght http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Doug_Thompson
06-10-2004, 03:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Von_Zero:
BTW Doug_Thompson, it wasn't called like that because it was worse or not than the Ju-88, it was called "The Flying pencil", because from the sides, it's thin fusselage seemed to be longer than normal (even if in fact it's wingspan weas greater than it's lenght http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, yeah. I must have stated myself badly.

It wasn't called the "flying pencil" because of any comparison to the Ju 88. Obviously, it was called the "flying pencil" because that's what it looked like.

My point was that the roomier Ju 88 was more adaptable. Both airplanes had flaws, but it was easier to mount more guns or radar for night fighting or whatever on the Ju 88. Hence the longer useful life.

As I remember it, the biggest problem with the "pencil" is that it was hard to defend when attacked from behind.

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wayno7777
06-10-2004, 03:00 PM
They were used in the Battle of Britian mostly.
http://img74.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/FB%20shots/Aircraft/Do217.jpg
Do-217. I guess the reason they're not in the game is cause they weren't used much on the Eastern Front.

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VFS-22_Swiss
06-10-2004, 07:40 PM
Sorry guys.....there was no Do-117. D0 17 finished production with the Z-10 in 1940. The Do 215 (fence jumper) came next, then the 217, then finially the 317 was planned to compete with the Ar 340, the Ju 288 and the Fw 191.....but Germany just ran out of time..

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Porsimo
06-10-2004, 11:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wayno7777:
I guess the reason they're not in the game is cause they weren't used much on the Eastern Front.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Finns were using DO-17Z which were a gift from G√¬∂ring. I don't remember the exact number of them, but they were our primary bombers along with the Blenheims until Ju-88s arrived.

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Skarphol
06-11-2004, 04:32 AM
Small sidenote:
The number 117 in the list of RLM inventory was allocated to a Henschel missile; the Henschel Hs 117 Schmetterling (Butterfly!

"Schmetterling was a surface-to-air, anti-aircraft missile designed to be small enough to be deployed by small teams of men without the need for heavy lifting equipment, and with a warhead with sufficient power to severely damage a B-17 enemy bomber with a proximity burst."

Look at this page for the rest of the text, and even a picture: http://www.walter-rockets.i12.com/missiles/hs117.htm

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