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x__CRASH__x
07-16-2004, 11:21 AM
I'm currently wrestling with my TrackIR 3 Pro. Finding settings that work for me, that aren't too fast, and have a large enough n00bie dead zone... so anyway,

I did a test last night in Warclouds. I hate flying Warclouds because I only had my hat switch, which I felt was a real disadvantage. So I went in with my TrackIR and went at it. Made one kill in my G10 before a P-51 came up and started dancing. Now, if I had my hat switch I would know where he was and be able to dodge effectively, but in my n00bieness, I could barely keep track of him, and ended up looking at the floor a couple of times. Needless to say, Bruno got his kill. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

So, I dumped the TIR and went back in. Made 3 kills then landed.

So, I know I suck. But I'm a very impatient guy. Especially since you all know I am one of the best online pilots ever to fly. I have a reputation to uphold *cough*

How long did it take YOU to get used to TrackIR? Before every little neck twitch goes away and you can track smooth as padlock?

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x__CRASH__x
07-16-2004, 11:21 AM
I'm currently wrestling with my TrackIR 3 Pro. Finding settings that work for me, that aren't too fast, and have a large enough n00bie dead zone... so anyway,

I did a test last night in Warclouds. I hate flying Warclouds because I only had my hat switch, which I felt was a real disadvantage. So I went in with my TrackIR and went at it. Made one kill in my G10 before a P-51 came up and started dancing. Now, if I had my hat switch I would know where he was and be able to dodge effectively, but in my n00bieness, I could barely keep track of him, and ended up looking at the floor a couple of times. Needless to say, Bruno got his kill. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

So, I dumped the TIR and went back in. Made 3 kills then landed.

So, I know I suck. But I'm a very impatient guy. Especially since you all know I am one of the best online pilots ever to fly. I have a reputation to uphold *cough*

How long did it take YOU to get used to TrackIR? Before every little neck twitch goes away and you can track smooth as padlock?

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MPortus_
07-16-2004, 11:25 AM
A lot. Still have to disable it when aiming and shooting.

ednavar
07-16-2004, 11:25 AM
Do you really want an answer about TrackIr or was it about letting us know why Bruno get his kill? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

h009291
07-16-2004, 11:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ednavar:
Do you really want an answer about TrackIr or was it about letting us know why Bruno get his kill? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Exactly .. someone felt they were embarrased http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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x__CRASH__x
07-16-2004, 11:40 AM
I thought I would throw in a somewhat interesting story along with the question. It's the least I can do to try livin up this morgue while we wait for the next G.D. patch.

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Xnomad
07-16-2004, 11:48 AM
2 days.

I got Track IR before I flew online a lot. It took me 2 days to get used to it in QMB but AI planes are more predictable. Fly a lot of QMB against AI planes and do some low level strafing too and you should get the hang of it. You'll get more dogfighting hours behind you in QMB than you can in the same time online.

The only problem I had at the beginning was moving my head instead of aiming the plane but that went away quickly and then I used to feel a bit sick after an hour or two but that went away quickly as well.

You have to remember that learning to use the hat switch on your joystick took time to get used to in a fast dogfight too, but Track IR is so much easier to learn as the position your head is in tells you what position your view is so you can't forget if you are looking at the ceiling or the sides with a hatswitch on pan mode I would sometimes get lost in my own cockpit.

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[Gypsy]
07-16-2004, 11:52 AM
Two days of tweaking offline in QMB, another cpl of days online... (a whole lot of reading about settings before hand).. a week or so to get over the sore neck... honestly would be lost without it now... all my hat switches now have other functions..

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JG52Uther
07-16-2004, 11:58 AM
Yep acouple of days to get used to it.(i still suck though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif)

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vicloc
07-16-2004, 11:59 AM
Personally I dont think TrackIR will give you that magical advantage over other people who are not using it. I am one of those who get sick from using TIR and never got use to it, i have tried all sort of profile settings. After about 15 minutes of using TIR, I feel sea sick and feel like throwing up!

I use the hatswitch on my X45, and it works perfectly fine for me, even on semi or FR servers like Greatergreen. I guess the key is to master the SA (situational awareness) around you, and after a while, I can predict or know roughly where the enemy would be in order to track them.

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Dnmy
07-16-2004, 12:08 PM
2 weeks.

But that was with mouselook mode.

If you know how to handle the trackIR in mouselook mode, you definitely know how to handle it in enhanced mode.

However, vice versa is a completely different story.

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PF_Coastie
07-16-2004, 12:18 PM
Hey Crash, A squad mate upgraded to TIR3 and he sent me his TIR2. That was about 3 weeks ago and I am still fighting with it.

I have the settings I really like. Nice and smooth and a large dead zone. Its not that though.

Its getting used to NOT moving my freakin head. I just can't do it. I am the type who literally "ducks" my head in a close head on pass. I lean with the plane in a bank. This really screws up TIR.

I just cant get used to sitting there like the pilots do in the game and swivel thier heads left to right yet sit there with a 2x4 strapped to thier back and head.

I was much better using the mouse(I have a trackball). But, I am giving it an honest effort and trying to get used to it even though it just isnt natural like everybody said it was.

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Choctaw111
07-16-2004, 12:28 PM
It took me a couple of days to get used to it. I hated it at first but wow!!! What a great way to look around without the hat switch. It is so much fun now and it frees up more buttons on my joystick. I tried playing without it just to see if I could and every time I would try to look around I would turn my head without even thinking about it. Once you get used to it there is no better way to play with the exeption of actually having a pair of virtual glasses that pan around with your head movements. That would be so awesome. I am looking into it but haven't done it yet. Maybe I just dont want to try to talk my wife into it yet...Anyway, someday...

TheGozr
07-16-2004, 12:33 PM
Make you dead zone quit big and low sensitivity for a while for you to get use to it. then you 'll seee your self moving less and less your head only to look around.
Then you'll setup your sensitiity higher and short distance.

it take some time , not much.

Think about that they is no other way then the track IR now. so get use ti it and relearn everything.

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VFS-22_SPaRX
07-16-2004, 12:54 PM
It took me a little longer then most. There were not many using Trackir when i got mine, so i had to work my way through it alone. But now there are many people out there that can give you some good pointers, so I would say a good week of using it and you should be set. You just need to get a good profile. Here is mine if you want to try it. It has a good size deadzone, and it does not pan too fast.

www.vfs-22.net/IL2.tir (http://www.vfs-22.net/IL2.tir)

right click and save the link.

Speaking of good pointers. Fly for a good 30-40 minutes online with your hatswitch. Make sure you get into some good turning battles and a few scissors,both vertical and horizontal. Make sure you record a track the entire time. Then replay the track, turn on manual view control. Make sure you hit F1 so you are in the cockpit. Then use your Trackir to track the targets you were fighting with. By doing this, you can focus on using the Trackir and not have to worry about flying. I did this for i would say total of 4 hours and it helped me A LOT!!!!

Hope this helps out

S~

SPaRX

PF_Coastie
07-16-2004, 02:11 PM
That a very good idea sparks. I am going to try that one too! Thanks.

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bartflaster1
07-16-2004, 02:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Here is mine if you want to try it. It has a good size deadzone, and it does not pan too fast.

SPaRX<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Sparx, I will try that.
Had mine about 2 weeks now, not flown a lot, but just beginning to get used to it, though I do tend to turn it off during take off and landing !

x__CRASH__x
07-16-2004, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:...Its getting used to NOT moving my freakin head. I just can't do it. I am the type who literally "ducks" my head in a close head on pass. I lean with the plane in a bank. This really screws up TIR.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG! I am totally the same way! I never realized how much I moved my head!



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:...Speaking of good pointers. Fly for a good 30-40 minutes online with your hatswitch. Make sure you get into some good turning battles and a few scissors,both vertical and horizontal. Make sure you record a track the entire time. Then replay the track, turn on manual view control. Make sure you hit F1 so you are in the cockpit. Then use your Trackir to track the targets you were fighting with. By doing this, you can focus on using the Trackir and not have to worry about flying. I did this for i would say total of 4 hours and it helped me A LOT!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fantastic tip! I'll try that tonight! Along with your settings! Thanks! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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pacettid
07-16-2004, 02:41 PM
I purchased a TrackIR 3 Pro about two months ago and it took me about two weeks before I got comfortable with it.Using the Charval's profile, available on the TrackIR/NaturalPoint website, helped tremendously.

After finding the right profile I just practiced touch-and-go landings until correct head movement became second nature. Then I just forced myself to only fly using TrackIR until it became second nature.

Now I don't know how I lived without it.

Here are some things that also helped:

- Put the camera head as far away from your face as physically possible. I placed it on a shelf behind my computer, rather than on the top of the monitor. The further away the camera is from the reflective 'dot', the slower the movement.
- The ballcap with the reflective patch on the bill, offered by NaturalPoint, also helps slow things down a bit, as it moves the 'dot' further away from your face, so that the angular displacement traced by the movement of the reflective dot is larger.

All the best, Don

WWSensei
07-16-2004, 02:43 PM
Took about 3 days for me. Biggest leap was when I got over using a dead zone which I think induces nausea.

Once I got the old feeling of locking my focus on the enemy and flying my crosshair to it rather than focusing on the crosshair and flying the target to it it was a snap.

Once you master that then a deadzone isn't needed anymore. I just found the change in speed when panning from left to right a big cause of vertigo...

Supr
07-16-2004, 02:53 PM
just wait till you find yourself trying to change views in other games by moving you head.

tttiger
07-16-2004, 03:10 PM
How many threads have their been on this topic???

It's like learning a language. Force yourself to use it. Don't use any other language. And eventually it will become natural. You will think in Spanish or Swahili or whatever it is you are learning. Your brain needs time to adjust.

Like learning a language, your brain has to learn to "think TIR."

As long as you revert to your hatswitch or numbpad, you'll never really get it.

And as long as you insist on jumping in a DF Arena (a dumb idea at any time imho), you're trying to run before you can walk (am I mixing metaphors here?)

Take it off line to QMB. First, just fly around a fixed point like and airfield or a village without taking your eyes off of it. Do some takeoffs and landings, touch and goes, Cuban Eights (try to stay parallel with the runway and directly over it), buzz the tower, fly the length of the runway inverted. Fly under a few bridges. The point is: work on your SA while using TIR.

THEN go fight against easy opponents and then harder ones. Then, if you insist on it, jump in a DF Arena (I would suggest a Coop instaed but your impatience has DF written all over it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) Guive yourself a couple of weeks. It will be a month until you don't even think about it.

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capt_frank
07-16-2004, 03:58 PM
hell, i've gotten so good at it i usually just fly with head movement....and forget all about the joystick... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Bearcat99
07-16-2004, 04:19 PM
Im still getting used to it. I sometimes turn it off and use my mouse pan on the old X45. I found that Charvel's profile worked vdry well for me.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-16-2004, 04:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Supr:
just wait till you find yourself trying to change views in other games by moving you head.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL...I do this all the time now myself.

The truth is, I had mine and tried it for a few days to little avail. I put it away and didn't touch it for a couple months and even considered selling it out of frustration.

After that I decided to try it again and sought out others for advice on setup and profiles. TOAD's "TrackIR fix" thread was handy and I've even contributed to it.

A good profile, a good tracking device (mine works MUCH better than even a TrackHat) and a little time and you'll never go back...unless you have to.

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PF_Coastie
07-16-2004, 05:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pacettid:
Here are some things that also helped:

- Put the camera head as far away from your face as physically possible. I placed it on a shelf behind my computer, rather than on the top of the monitor. The further away the camera is from the reflective 'dot', the slower the movement.
- The ballcap with the reflective patch on the bill, offered by NaturalPoint, also helps slow things down a bit, as it moves the 'dot' further away from your face, so that the angular displacement traced by the movement of the reflective dot is larger.

All the best, Don<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I am sorry but I must disagree with your first tip. The second is correct but it contradict your first...sort of.

If you move the camera further away, this increases the angle of head movement you need to see all the way to one side or the other. But getting the reflective sphere further from your face will decrease that angle and make a small head movement bigger the further away it is from your face.

Granted, you don't want the camera too close but not too far either. I have found that between 12 and 16 inches from dot to cam is good for me with the dots on a sphere that extend about 4 inches from my face.

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VFS-22_SPaRX
07-16-2004, 05:40 PM
Well i got my Trackir 3 Pro today. Wow what a difference i must say. The setting file i posted earlier was using the Trackir 1. I had to make some changes to it because the Pro 3 seems to track faster, is more precise, and it a lot more fluid. So here is my updated settings for Trackir 3 Pro. Right click and save again.

www.vfs-22.net/IL2_Pro3.tir (http://www.vfs-22.net/IL2_Pro3.tir)

Again guys, can't tell you how much it helps to do the track record thing and just Pan around in game a bit. You will get a good feel for how you need to move your head. Also you can tweak the settings a bit if you need and its easier to see if they are more to yoru liking.

S~

SPaRX

CPS_Lav69
07-16-2004, 06:05 PM
A couple of days. Assign the centering button to one on your HOTAS (if you can) and that will help keep you oriented.

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T_O_A_D
07-16-2004, 06:49 PM
First of all

you need to make a new pilot and set up your controls with no hats.

Now that they are gone you can't lean on the cruch.

Now make one of your hats force center view on your TIR. (f12) I have mine changed to (f11) because If I remember right there was some sort of conflict using (f12). Why you ask well if and for some reason you do confuse your TIR unit all you have to do is sit straight look forward center and hit button and bang your back in the groove. Also you can hold button while shooting to keep your familiar hat view for straight forward while shooting. After awhile though you will give that up.

Now you can set you other Hat positions for CEM or Gunsight,wide,normal,shift+f1 views.

I can fling my head all over the place and even get up and leave the room sit back down and TIR knows where it should be nearly 99% of the time. Occasionaly I have to recenter it. I have TIR3Pro. And I use a reflective ball.

Oh Sparx that was a very good tip! S!

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Simjock
07-16-2004, 08:38 PM
I never used track IR, and I never will.

OK, lets think this through, shall we http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There you sit with a big fat 21 inch monitor in front of you, and all the gizmos and do-dads hooked up to it so you can use track IR. you load up Hyperloby and get on line for some DF action!
You chase a guy into a tight yo-yo, and he disapears over the top of your screen. So you(with that stupid thing straped to your head) look up.

GREAT http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif !
Ar'nt you a Cool S.O.B. with your head up in the air, looking down over your nose to see your monitor. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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PF_Coastie
07-16-2004, 08:48 PM
Hmm pretty descriptive for someone who has never had one!

Imagine that, You are totally wrong also. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

To look all the way up or all the way back at your tail, you only have to move your head about 1-2" if set up properly.

I once thought the same thing. Its really quite good once you get it tweaked with the help of some friends. It just takes some time to get used to.

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BM357_Raven
07-16-2004, 11:44 PM
I took me forever. I had massive problems and was always looking at the ground or in the cockpit when I was trying to line someone up in the cross hairs over the tree tops and then BOOM! And BOOM. " I HATE this stupid TrackIR!"

Then once I got someone else's profile, and learned about background lighting, and added a mess of dots and got the little lazer thing at the right distance (HEY IS THAT THING BAD FOR YOU?) I was about 1/2 way there.

I find the easiest way to deal with getting used to TrackIR is to get frustrated. And if that doesn't work, try poking it's eyes out!

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07-17-2004, 03:55 AM
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Cess-Harp
07-17-2004, 04:01 AM
It took me a couple days , then I was flying just fine, but now I can't even hardly play and fly without the TIR .
But it is worth it, once you get it down.