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RJNewly
04-15-2004, 11:08 AM
From Tom's Hardware:

"What NVIDIA has achieved with the GeForce 6800 Ultra makes even experienced graphics cards editors shake their head in amazement and wonder. The performance this card offers will sweep graphics cards enthusiasts (the author included) off their feet and carry them off into a state of ecstasy in which they can only gape in awe at the sight of these simply amazing benchmark results - Freezinassin! Compared to the GeForce 6800 Ultra, the former high-end models Radeon 9800XT and FX 5950 Ultra often seem like nothing more than cheap mainstream cards"

Seriously I almost broke down about 1 month ago and bought a 5900SE or 9800Pro. Man am I releived I didn't! I'm gonna wait for another 3 to 6 months and retire my TI4200. I feel sorry for those that invested recently in the 5900 series or the 9800 series.

The step up in technology with the 6800 would have given me heartburn had I already forked over the dough. Hey I'm happy - don't ruin my dayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

RJNewly
04-15-2004, 11:08 AM
From Tom's Hardware:

"What NVIDIA has achieved with the GeForce 6800 Ultra makes even experienced graphics cards editors shake their head in amazement and wonder. The performance this card offers will sweep graphics cards enthusiasts (the author included) off their feet and carry them off into a state of ecstasy in which they can only gape in awe at the sight of these simply amazing benchmark results - Freezinassin! Compared to the GeForce 6800 Ultra, the former high-end models Radeon 9800XT and FX 5950 Ultra often seem like nothing more than cheap mainstream cards"

Seriously I almost broke down about 1 month ago and bought a 5900SE or 9800Pro. Man am I releived I didn't! I'm gonna wait for another 3 to 6 months and retire my TI4200. I feel sorry for those that invested recently in the 5900 series or the 9800 series.

The step up in technology with the 6800 would have given me heartburn had I already forked over the dough. Hey I'm happy - don't ruin my dayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VF-19
04-15-2004, 11:14 AM
I don't feel sorry for dropping down $300 CDN for my 9800 Pro. It was a great price, and a major upgrade for me. It's inevitable for video cards to advance. Besides, this card is going to be about $600 CDN when it hits the streets, and quite frankly, I'm not spending that much money on a video card. Not to mention, the card is too expensive for what I make.

EDIT: Not to mention, Tom's Hardware Guide reviewed a engineering sample of the card, so results may be a bit off from the version you're going to buy in stores.

Thr0tt
04-15-2004, 11:16 AM
150 9800 Pro has alot of life in it.

Paying for the latest technology is great if you have the cash to waste but getting something slightly older and does the job well then whose the mug ?

badaboom.1
04-15-2004, 11:16 AM
HI RJNEWLY,Thanks for the news!,Any idea how much the new cards will cost? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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crazyivan1970
04-15-2004, 11:18 AM
Can we keep all this in one thread? There is 10 PAGES 6800 thread already, why start another one? Neither belongs here, should be in community help - but i allow, so does Tully - why push it eh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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RJNewly
04-15-2004, 11:20 AM
Ya I hear you VF. I won't spend more than $300 US. I will go for the standard card not the Ultra. I will have had my TI-4200 for three years in August this year and it has served me well. I only upgrade once every three years so spending $300 on a new card will not be an issue for me. Besides I don't need the biggest, best or fastest anything. I just need something that will give 3 years of life and at this point don't beleive that the FX5900 or ATI9800 series will do that. I do acknowldege thought that these are very good card today and I'm sure I would be very happy with one for the next year or so.

Cdn.401GATOR
04-15-2004, 11:39 AM
Buy the card in AGP 8x and you'll have heartburn when they release PCI Express..

AGP 8X will no longer exist afte the 2nd quarter of 04 and PCI Express will deliver twice the BW or about 4Gb/s

Cossack_UA
04-15-2004, 11:40 AM
No doubt the new Nvidia card is a rocket. And it will have a price that is approaching the range of professional video cards. I spent $240 for R9800 non pro last summer and im going to keep it till R420 will be in a $300 range.

Capt._Tenneal
04-15-2004, 11:44 AM
I'd also wait until the 6800's can iron out the kinks and settle down to be a stable product. Remember the uproar when the first FX 5800 version came out. Humungous fan/heatsink combo, many people said a rushed product ? Nvidia quickly had to put out the 5900 line to erase that memory from people's minds. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mence
04-15-2004, 11:49 AM
Even if you spent the full $500.00 4-6 months ago for a 9800XT or 5900 ultra you still have a foot up IMHO. At this point you have the best card on the market. If you decide to get it right out the box, you can just sell your current card on e-bay for $200-$300 easy. Making up the difference is a breeze now and then you have the best card on the market for ALOT less than anyone else would spend. E-bay is a wonderful place to sell new/old stuff especially GFX cards that just get bumped by the latest new card.

Just don't wait much past the first few weeks of release. Dump that 9800XT/5900 utlra and you'll never look back. BTW, there will be haters, but just ignore them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-15-2004, 12:08 PM
The release of the 6800 series doesn't make me regret acquiring my 5900 Ultra at all. In fact, it just means one of my kids will get a nice shiny 5900 Ultra with relatively low hours.

Besides, as was stated in a previous post, the 5900 Ultra is still a smokin' card that runs ANY game out there right now like a champ.



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VF-10_Snacky
04-15-2004, 01:02 PM
If you play benchmarks then buy Nvidia

If you play games then buy ATI

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DJKruse
04-15-2004, 01:12 PM
Considering the 6800 will cost probably at a minimum +500 I wont even consider it. It will be nice because hopefully itll bring the the price of the 9800XT down. These days Ill always buy ATI over nvidia.

I cant wait to see ATI's next gen card..people think nvidias is fast.

BaldieJr
04-15-2004, 01:37 PM
More like....

If you play games, buy nVidia.

If you play driver roulette, buy ATI.

Which pieces of which drivers are needed to get good performance from the 9800? I forgot. Thanks!

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lbhskier37
04-15-2004, 01:48 PM
PCI express wouldnt give me heartburn, AMD doesnt even have chipsets that support PCI express sampling, we will have AGP for a while longer, that is unless you NEED an Intel branded chipset.

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Xnomad
04-15-2004, 01:52 PM
Well I just got an e-mail saying my ATi 9800 Pro is on it's way and I'm not troubled by the topic of this thread at all. First of all I got the 9800 for 145 and I don't think I would pay more for a card right now. The next time I upgrade is for BOB so I'm happy with what I'm getting. I also received my new processor this week too and got a 30 FPS boost to my system.

I don't understand this tribal mentality that has developed between ATi and nVidia users??? I choose value for money and don't give a diddly squat which company churns which one out, I used to be on the GeForce this is now my second Radeon, if nVidia bring a better card out for less then I'll get that pure and simple and no affiliation whatsoever.

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Dunkelgrun
04-15-2004, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
Well I just got an e-mail saying my ATi 9800 Pro is on it's way and I'm not troubled by the topic of this thread at all. First of all I got the 9800 for 145 and I don't think I would pay more for a card right now. The next time I upgrade is for BOB so I'm happy with what I'm getting. I also received my new processor this week too and got a 30 FPS boost to my system.

I don't understand this tribal mentality that has developed between ATi and nVidia users??? I choose value for money and don't give a diddly squat which company churns which one out, I used to be on the GeForce this is now my second Radeon, if nVidia bring a better card out for less then I'll get that pure and simple and no affiliation whatsoever.

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Well said. Where did you get your 9800 Pro? I was thinking along those lines too.
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Lav69
04-15-2004, 02:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RJNewly:
From Tom's Hardware:

"What NVIDIA has achieved with the GeForce 6800 Ultra makes even experienced graphics cards editors shake their head in amazement and wonder. The performance this card offers will sweep graphics cards enthusiasts (the author included) off their feet and carry them off into a state of ecstasy in which they can only gape in awe at the sight of these simply amazing benchmark results - Freezinassin! Compared to the GeForce 6800 Ultra, the former high-end models Radeon 9800XT and FX 5950 Ultra often seem like nothing more than cheap mainstream cards"

Seriously I almost broke down about 1 month ago and bought a 5900SE or 9800Pro. Man am I releived I didn't! I'm gonna wait for another 3 to 6 months and retire my TI4200. I feel sorry for those that invested recently in the 5900 series or the 9800 series.

The step up in technology with the 6800 would have given me heartburn had I already forked over the dough. Hey I'm happy - don't ruin my dayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Lav69
04-15-2004, 02:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
More like....

If you play games, buy nVidia.

If you play driver roulette, buy ATI.

Which pieces of which drivers are needed to get good performance from the 9800? I forgot. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know where you get your info from but my ATI (9700pro) has been rock solid since the day I bought it. Including the drivers.

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reload2000
04-15-2004, 02:27 PM
Is this another lame post to make us people who bough ATI cards feel dumb? lol

Anyways, i paid $350 for my 9800XT around 4 months ago and im very happy with what my graphics look like now and the fps as well. I think this cards going to stay in my system for a few years because i havent seen any other video card on the shelf right now perform the way this one does.

Keep us upto date with the new nvidia stuff. Looks interesting.

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04-15-2004, 02:30 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Xnomad:
I don't understand this tribal mentality that has developed between ATi and nVidia users??? I choose value for money and don't give a diddly squat which company churns which one out, I used to be on the GeForce this is now my second Radeon, if nVidia bring a better card out for less then I'll get that pure and simple and no affiliation whatsoever.



Excellent rebuttal! I feel no allegiance to any computer part manufacturer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ....it's all about price for caomparables.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
04-15-2004, 02:37 PM
why is it that people think Cat Ati drivers suck ?
i mean ill never go back to Nvidia
i had 3 Ati cards 9000,9700 and 9800 and NEVER NEVER had any problems with the drivers i used
well maybe once ore twice some minor problems
but man those 3 cards i had for to 2 years and i play ALOT of different games ,they were great and well spend money and the driver support is excellent
and baldie is just a Nvidiot troll who thinks he got it all sorted out

oh and 2 weeks be sure.... i dont understand all this talk about the NV40 it is only normal a total new generation of videocards will blow the old ones away and so will the R420 it will just be as good as the NV40
remember first release doesnt mean best release

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noshens
04-15-2004, 02:44 PM
Nvidia is not going to cost 500++. I just did a google search and so far all sources point out that 6800 Ultra will cost $399 and 6800 $299. If this card will perform as those benchmark tests claim then current ATI videocards are totaly worthless if compared to Nvidia's

Here you can check by yourself:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Nvidia+6800+ultra+price

And BTW I don't have Nvidia nor ATI cards.

[This message was edited by yay1 on Thu April 15 2004 at 01:54 PM.]

BaldieJr
04-15-2004, 02:53 PM
$399 changes everything. I thought it was $499!

Using my own "Bang for the Buck" calculations, this means that the 6800 U is only 73 cents more expensive per FPS than the 9800PRo. But when factoring in performance in other games (calculations were based on FB results only), this number may change completely.

nVidia can consider one already sold http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Maxhome
04-15-2004, 02:59 PM
I bought a Voodoo card with Quake 2, on the same day Q2 came out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Then a Geforce 2, later a GF4, and I recently became proud owner of a 9800 pro (128mb)

Every card I've had was cool for a time, then slowed a little, then chugged... I thought the GF4 was ok, till I saw the 9800.

It'll be the same with the new nvidias... I've no great allegiance to any, since all have been good to me. I've avoided (apart from the V1!) being an early adopter, since I object to paying double the price for anything. The "very latest" will always cost too much. Something a little less spectacular will still be top notch, and a good deal cheaper.

I've never regretted an upgrade. But it would have been real easy to stay with a V1 because "the next great thing is only a few months away..." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Maybe I should've stuck with the 486dx33 I paid a grand for - would've been a big saving now!

Bearcat99
04-15-2004, 03:01 PM
I paid $200 for my 9800Pro and I am happy... now if I had just spent $500 on an XT wellllll... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Capt.LoneRanger
04-15-2004, 03:04 PM
OMG!

Really?

nVidia has a new gfx-card?

It is 40-120% faster in benchmarks than the 2 years old 9800XT? No, can't be - I'll rush out and get it.......

Or I'll wait another month and check the test results of the new ATix800XT and see what the 6800U can do against a competitor using the same technical level.......

Your choice.

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VW-IceFire
04-15-2004, 03:04 PM
Really? They plan on a $399 starting price? That'd be very impressive if they did do that...yes indeed.

I doubt I'll be changing the Radeon 9700Pro I have for anything else right now. If anything I'll catch a future generation card and not these...I usually leapfrog two or three generations at a time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Even so...bloody impressive. Takes graphics to a new very much photoreal quality. I think we'll be seeing more crossover of movie and video game type of story telling.

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Xnomad
04-15-2004, 03:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:

Well said. Where did you get your 9800 Pro? I was thinking along those lines too.
Cheers!

Dunkelgrun aka 242Sqn_Cat<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm getting mine from http://www.komplett.co.uk/
They are based in Norway and I've never used them before, they are slower than Dabs as I ordered on Monday (Bank holiday) and they only dispatched today. The only reason I chose them is that Dabs, where I get most of my stuff, were around 30 more expensive.

I like to get my stuff delivered by Parcel Force as they give you the option of picking it up at the local post office, because I am always at work when the delivery guy comes. Komplett use Parcel Force as do Dabs.com

I got my last Radeon from
http://www.microdirect.co.uk
but this time Komplett is cheaper and I don't like the courier that microdirect use.

lbhskier37
04-15-2004, 03:24 PM
I agree that 6800 cant be compared to the 9800XT cause its last generation versues current generation, but where does everyone keep getting this "2 year old card" thing? The 9800XT is like 5 months old??

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Dunkelgrun
04-15-2004, 03:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:

Well said. Where did you get your 9800 Pro? I was thinking along those lines too.
Cheers!

Dunkelgrun aka 242Sqn_Cat<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm getting mine from http://www.komplett.co.uk/
They are based in Norway and I've never used them before, they are slower than Dabs as I ordered on Monday (Bank holiday) and they only dispatched today. The only reason I chose them is that Dabs, where I get most of my stuff, were around 30 more expensive.

I like to get my stuff delivered by Parcel Force as they give you the option of picking it up at the local post office, because I am always at work when the delivery guy comes. Komplett use Parcel Force as do Dabs.com

I got my last Radeon from
http://www.microdirect.co.uk
but this time Komplett is cheaper and I don't like the courier that microdirect use.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Xnomad. I've used Dabs quite often and am happy with them but 30 is 30 so I'll give Komplett a look.
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KGr.HH-Sunburst
04-15-2004, 04:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbhskier37:
I agree that 6800 cant be compared to the 9800XT cause its last generation versues current generation, but where does everyone keep getting this "2 year old card" thing? The 9800XT is like 5 months old??
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i thought the 9800XT GPU was based on the 9700 just like the 9800
wich is indeed 2 years old
pls correct me if im wrong
if think its right to say that the 9800xt is based on 2 years old technolgy but the card itself is 5 months old

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lbhskier37
04-15-2004, 04:46 PM
Its based off the 9700, but that is the same as if we wouldve said in 2001 that the Geforce 2 Ultra was a 2 year old card because its based on the Geforce 256. It is "last years" technology, but is by no means an old card. And in the comparisons do show something, the 6800ultra has a huge performance boost over the 9800xt. This may not tell the complete story about how the graphics "war" will turn out, but it does show a huge improvement over the previous top card. A bigger improvement then the 9700Pro showed over the Ti4600 initially. If ATIs card is close to the Nvidias, it should be a very interesting year.

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Scen
04-15-2004, 04:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
More like....

If you play games, buy nVidia.

If you play driver roulette, buy ATI.

Which pieces of which drivers are needed to get good performance from the 9800? I forgot. Thanks!

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Ha I laugh at you...

talk about roulette... How many builds of Nvidia Drivers have you gone through.

I've upgraded my drivers 2 times in the year that I've owned my 9800 Pro without a single issue. 3.7s Fast and Rock Solid 4.1s Just as solid and better support.

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BlackerCardinal
04-15-2004, 07:00 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lav69:


Are you new to gaming. This is the same old song and dance that has gone on for almost a decade now. There is always something faster (and more expensive) on the horizon. Wooptie-doooo.


Actually I know RJNewly and he's not new to gaming. In fact the guy is 40 fricken years old and is on his third PC. He has played flight simulators since Red Baron. Hell he's no newbie thats for sure. He is tight with the $ thoughhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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boohaa
04-15-2004, 07:17 PM
Arent the 9800pro's still slightly held back by todays processors?If so the imagine what the new generation cards will do with double the processing speed than we have right now.Even the manufactures dont know what there cards are capable of until fatser and faster cpu's emerge.

Udidtoo
04-15-2004, 07:38 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RJNewly:


I feel sorry for those that invested recently in the 5900 series or the 9800 series.

QUOTE]

Don't pity me to much bro. I didn't ask for it, sure don't require it. Chase the horizen all you like. The view looks pretty good from my $220 point.

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WUAF_Co_Hero
04-16-2004, 03:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cdn.401GATOR:
Buy the card in AGP 8x and you'll have heartburn when they release PCI Express..

AGP 8X will no longer exist afte the 2nd quarter of 04 and PCI Express will deliver twice the BW or about 4Gb/s<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's complete garbage!! Of course the AGP 8x will exist... never in the HISTORY of computers, has a form of hardware been removed immediately, unless determined to be unsuccessful entirely. The AGP 8x will be phased out, but it will take a long time. The computer industry always has, and always will.. make hardware backward compatible.

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PF_Talus
04-16-2004, 03:33 AM
Something that is lost in this whole ATI vs. Nvidia thing is this: just like Intel and AMD, we need at least 2 strong GPU companies to keep the market competitive. With only 1, prices go up and stay up. That's why Intel fans should root for AMD and Nvidia fans should root for ATI. Monopolies suck. Just look at Microshaft.


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LuckyBoy1
04-16-2004, 03:48 AM
I paid $280.00 with shipping for my 9700 Pro 1 year ago. At that time, people were falling all over themselves to buy a 9800 Pro or the latest nVidia card at $500.00 that delivered a whole 3% better performance while playing IL-2 FB. This review from Tom's seem to leave IL-2 FB completely out of the picture. Good thing too, or it would point out the need for that 4.3GHz PC needed to take advantage of such technology as it relates to IL- FB. When are we going to get tired of fanboys posting crap about every technical inch made by nVidia or ATI and return to reason for a change in pace?

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Zayets
04-16-2004, 04:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
OMG!

Really?

nVidia has a new gfx-card?

It is 40-120% faster in benchmarks than the 2 years old 9800XT? No, can't be - I'll rush out and get it.......

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Wrong! Is 40-120% faster than the 2 years OLD technology used for the NEW 9800XT.Get over it.

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Or I'll wait another month and check the test results of the new ATix800XT and see what the 6800U can do against a competitor using the same technical level.......
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You're right.Wait.
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Your choice.
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nVidia 6800 now.Who knows what comes after.
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greets
Capt.LoneRanger
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Greets to you!
Zayets

Zayets out
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Clanktank
04-16-2004, 04:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:

Well said. Where did you get your 9800 Pro? I was thinking along those lines too.
Cheers!

Dunkelgrun aka 242Sqn_Cat<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm getting mine from http://www.komplett.co.uk/
They are based in Norway and I've never used them before, they are slower than Dabs as I ordered on Monday (Bank holiday) and they only dispatched today. The only reason I chose them is that Dabs, where I get most of my stuff, were around 30 more expensive.

I like to get my stuff delivered by Parcel Force as they give you the option of picking it up at the local post office, because I am always at work when the delivery guy comes. Komplett use Parcel Force as do Dabs.com

I got my last Radeon from
http://www.microdirect.co.uk
but this time Komplett is cheaper and I don't like the courier that microdirect use.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, can't recomend Komplett enough. Got all sorts from them, and even though it sounds wierd that it comes from Norway it actually is a very fast service that puts others to shame.

On Topic: Got my 9700 Pro on Ebay (from the USA) for 120 when they first came out. There were lots of scare stories about them being flaky and the drivers beng duff at the time, so I got a great card at a super cheap price, with zero problems since. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
04-16-2004, 05:03 AM
@ Zayets:

I'm glad you got the sarcasm in my post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Did you get the sacrasm of this post? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif


nVidia has the *faster* card now, compared to old technology ATi9800XP. Comparing 6800U to 9800XT is like comparing Mercedes F1 Racing Car 2004 to Ferrari's 2002 seasons car and begin cheering, that Mercedes will win the F1-championship 2004, because it is faster in THAT comparrison. Great.

greets
Capt.LoneRanger

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Zayets
04-16-2004, 05:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
@ Zayets:

I'm glad you got the sarcasm in my post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Did you get the sacrasm of this post? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif


nVidia has the *faster* card now, compared to old technology ATi9800XP. Comparing 6800U to 9800XT is like comparing Mercedes F1 Racing Car 2004 to Ferrari's 2002 seasons car and begin cheering, that Mercedes will win the F1-championship 2004, because it is faster in THAT comparrison. Great.

greets
Capt.LoneRanger

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I was reffering to the sarcasm in your post(s) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Zayets out
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AWL_Spinner
04-16-2004, 05:14 AM
I'm with the "who cares?" crowd. I've owned two NVidia cards and I'm on my first Radeon. I have no allegiance. As long as it's cheap, quiet, cost effective and runs my current games to a decent level I really couldn't give a rat's ***. I've installed every new Cat driver as it's been released, and I've had zero problems. Nada. None. Just like I had no problems installing Detonator drivers over my previous GeForce card.

The average life expectancy of a video card in my system is about three years. This is based solely upon my gaming needs. If my current card would run Battle of Britain at 1280x1024 at over 30fps, then I simply won't bother upgrading. That's not going to happen, but then I only upgrade my video when I can no longer get baseline gaming performance in a system with adequate CPU horsepower and RAM. 30fps, 1280x1024, detail up.

Anything over 30fps I really don't notice, hence "Woohoo! This new ubercard will run Forgotten Battles at 120fps!" means absolutely nothing to me.

Looking forward to the new ATI benchmarks, if NVidia and ATI are going to have another protracted run of producing ludicrously fast hardware, that can only be good news for me, getting a cheap card in a couple of years when Battle of Britain is out.

Cheers, Spinner

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oeqvist
04-16-2004, 05:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RJNewly:
From Tom's Hardware:

"What NVIDIA has achieved with the GeForce 6800 Ultra makes even experienced graphics cards editors shake their head in amazement and wonder. The performance this card offers will sweep graphics cards enthusiasts (the author included) off their feet and carry them off into a state of ecstasy in which they can only gape in awe at the sight of these simply amazing benchmark results - Freezinassin! Compared to the GeForce 6800 Ultra, the former high-end models Radeon 9800XT and FX 5950 Ultra often seem like nothing more than cheap mainstream cards"

Seriously I almost broke down about 1 month ago and bought a 5900SE or 9800Pro. Man am I releived I didn't! I'm gonna wait for another 3 to 6 months and retire my TI4200. I feel sorry for those that invested recently in the 5900 series or the 9800 series.

The step up in technology with the 6800 would have given me heartburn had I already forked over the dough. Hey I'm happy - don't ruin my dayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I run maximum settings in Far Cry with my 9800 PRO. that won´t stop me from getting a NV40 or X800XT though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
04-16-2004, 05:59 AM
Roger that, Zayets http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


AWL_Spinner, I'm completely with you.

I've got an ATi in my first PC (mach64 - wow), got several ATi's after that, then, as nVidia had the better gfx-cards with TNT & TNT2, I switched to nVidia and after 9800 I reverted back to ATi.
After all (and one Matrox in between), I think ATi has the overall better image quality, especially in terms of 2D-signal, where the nVidia always had decent problems. That's okay, too, since they went for a better compatability, overall, concerning linux, for example, and pure FPS.
Both have their pros and cons. - With hardware as with drivers.

Still, I cannot understand why somebody can say "this one is the best and I'll buy it as long as it isn't below 500 bucks", when there's a real competition ahead. If I consider getting a new gfx-card, I'll check reviews and see what products are on the market or will be there in a considerable amount of time. I'll then decide, what to spend my money on, no matter what the label says. as you can see with nVidias NV40, it was produced by another company, assembled by the same factories ATi's gfx-cards were made in (well, at least the same country...), so why the heck do you all set your money on a sticker!?

greets
Capt.LoneRanger

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MatuDa
04-16-2004, 06:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cdn.401GATOR:
Buy the card in AGP 8x and you'll have heartburn when they release PCI Express..

AGP 8X will no longer exist afte the 2nd quarter of 04 and PCI Express will deliver twice the BW or about 4Gb/s<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that is the most ignorant post I've seen today. AGP is not going to disappear after q2-2004 and even the bandwidth we have now is in excess of what we need. Here's a comparison chart between agp4x and 8x.. draw your conclusions about near future bandwidth need..

http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040310/images/image005.gif

Cossack_UA
04-16-2004, 07:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MatuDa:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cdn.401GATOR:
Buy the card in AGP 8x and you'll have heartburn when they release PCI Express..

AGP 8X will no longer exist afte the 2nd quarter of 04 and PCI Express will deliver twice the BW or about 4Gb/s<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that is the most ignorant post I've seen today. AGP is not going to disappear after q2-2004 and even the bandwidth we have now is in excess of what we need. Here's a comparison chart between agp4x and 8x.. draw your conclusions about near future bandwidth need..

http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040310/images/image005.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You call other post ignorant (why people must be shuch a&&holes to their fellow simmers?), but you compare AGP 4x with AGP 8x!

Yes 8x over 4x AGP didn't give dramatic advantage. In the future bandwidth requirements will increase manyfold no doubt about that. And that's were true PCI Express will come in handy.

ASM 1
04-16-2004, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Clanktank:

Yeah, can't recomend Komplett enough. Got all sorts from them, and even though it sounds wierd that it comes from Norway it actually is a very fast service that puts others to shame.
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Good that someone can recommend Komplett - I haver been eyeing up their Sapphire 9800pro 128 for a while but was wondering what their service was like. To be honest my machines getting a bit creaky (P4 1.8 512 Ram) and this is about the only upgrade I'd do before buying a new box/motherboard or whatever in another year or so (since I curently have onboard graphics !! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)except for maybe more ram....

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On Topic: Got my 9700 Pro on Ebay (from the USA) for 120 when they first came out. There were lots of scare stories about them being flaky and the drivers beng duff at the time, so I got a great card at a super cheap price, with zero problems since. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Might be having a squizz at ebay too!

To be honest all this talk of the latest and greatest is all well and good (yeah I want a 5ghz + machine !!!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) but it is and always will be the case that there is always something bigger better, louder and faster around the corner. C'est la vie. I for one cant afford to upgrade kit every five minutes and all talk of NEW this or NEW that has falied to impress me for a long time. Just been on holiday to my sister's, she has not long bought a 2.8HT machine - playing AEP on that has pointed out how puny this box is in comparison! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just my 2p worth.... everyone entitled to their opinion - no offense intended

cheers

Andrew

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CKA_VICIOUS
04-16-2004, 09:43 AM
one of my teammates works for ATI and can get me cards for ULTRA cheap! aka cost price.. so I know where my next card is coming from

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