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Ramstein609
04-16-2004, 08:03 PM
Hi,
I just wanted to pass along some disturbing information for those flight simmers that use ebay to buy and sell computer stuff.
I have put my Editorial up for others to read and think about, before you plop down your money. Especialy when you need a mid-to-high end machine to enjoy Games and Flight Sims.

My Link:
http://www.virtualairforce.com/postnuke/index.php

Ramstein

[This message was edited by Ramstein609 on Fri April 16 2004 at 07:21 PM.]

Ramstein609
04-16-2004, 08:03 PM
Hi,
I just wanted to pass along some disturbing information for those flight simmers that use ebay to buy and sell computer stuff.
I have put my Editorial up for others to read and think about, before you plop down your money. Especialy when you need a mid-to-high end machine to enjoy Games and Flight Sims.

My Link:
http://www.virtualairforce.com/postnuke/index.php

Ramstein

[This message was edited by Ramstein609 on Fri April 16 2004 at 07:21 PM.]

Bearcat99
04-16-2004, 10:52 PM
Sorry to hear that.... unscrupulous people are everywhere.

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Lawn_Dart
04-17-2004, 02:47 AM
I, too, am sorry for your loss.

You are learning a painful lesson, but not all of eBay is bad. Take the advice of an experienced and longtime eBay user (over $15k spent in nearly 600 auctions over the past 5 years), that not all sellers are bad. But you left yourself wide open for the few who are...

1) You mentioned in your article that the seller had "good" feedback, but that is not the case. Anything less than 93-95% overall is iffy at best. This seller had very poor feedback overall: 88% positive out of only 41 feedbacks is NOT good. That is more like 11% negative, or one in 9 auctions gone bad. I would never have bid in the first place. (also remember that most people do not leave negative feedback for fear of retribution, so ANY negative is usually reallly really bad, and each negative can probably be tripled to include those that never left any at all...)

2) The seller was only a member for 3 months. That, too, is not a good sign. Never buy from anyone with less than 1 year history (usually as a buyer), especially when shopping for electronics.

3) 41 positive feedbacks can be "shilled" (a person or team of persons giving themselves feedback with a new ID) in a matter of weeks or even days. Be sure when checking on feedback ratings to follow two or three auctions deep before believing them completely. (in other words, click on the auction the feedback is given for, and then also on that buyers history of previous auctions to see if there is a pattern.

4) Always have Paypal charge through your credit card, not your checking account. If there is a dispute, deactivate your checking account access so they cannot back charge you, and contest the charges with your credit card company. Your credit card company will then reverse charges on Paypal unless Paypal can legitimately contest the dispute (which they cannot, as they are only an agent and not the deliverer of the goods). This is the best way to get Paypal's loss prevention department's attention, and treat your case immediately.

5) The photo in the auction is a stock photo, not one of the actual product. In such a case, one should always contact the seller before bidding and request an image of the actual goods being sold. If the request is refused for any reason, do not bid. Period.

I am not picking on you, but am hoping that others will learn from your errors and not blame eBay. They may have terrible customer service, but they are not responsible for fraud if you did not follow their advice listed at the bottom of every auction listing: Caveat Emptor, buyer beware...

You appear to have made some mistakes and now learned something from them, ...hopefully others will learn from them too.

(and yes, I have been burned on eBay twice in the past by sellers. That is why I know exactly what not to do. No one is totally immune, but you have to outwit the crooks whenever possible.)

Xnomad
04-17-2004, 04:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lawn_Dart:
2) The seller was only a member for 3 months. That, too, is not a good sign. Never buy from anyone with less than 1 year history (usually as a buyer), especially when shopping for electronics.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah great I'm currently selling some flight sim kit on e-bay at the moment and have never sold before, how does a guy start selling? I have a bit of a history on e-bay but that was with a different account in a different country which I had trouble transferring over as a UK account for some strange reason. So I had to open a new one just to sell the stuff. I've only got one bid so far!

http://www.xnomad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sig.jpg

TheKetamineKid
04-17-2004, 07:30 AM
sry to hear that dude. cant trust anyone these days.

"Who said horse tranquilizer was bad for you?"

Taylortony
04-17-2004, 02:14 PM
That sucks big time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I for one buy and sell on ebay. My goods and purchases only amount to about 30 but i have acted and tried to act honourable, I have even bought from the likes of Germany and the US being UK based without a problem, only got stung once and that was NOT on ebay......... Heard there was a megga scam in US a while a go where one person was registering under lots of names and transacting between them to build up a high 100% confidence all for lowish valued goods and including genuine bids, all of which would be honoured ( not his own of course) then when he had a base he would sting with a high valued item, ditch that poster and start again with another name...... he was earning millions but is behind bars now..... I hope ebay comes across with the insurance as it covers up to 100 UK but if it dont i just hope you can afford to swallow the loss, can you?

Ramstein609
04-17-2004, 03:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lawn_Dart:
I, too, am sorry for your loss.

You are learning a painful lesson, but not all of eBay is bad. Take the advice of an experienced and longtime eBay user (over $15k spent in nearly 600 auctions over the past 5 years), that not all sellers are bad. But you left yourself wide open for the few who are...

1) You mentioned in your article that the seller had "good" feedback, but that is not the case. Anything less than 93-95% overall is iffy at best. This seller had very poor feedback overall: 88% positive out of only 41 feedbacks is NOT good. Clipped..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, but you counted the Feedback completely wrong. if you check the date at the end of the auction, he had 99% Positive Feed-Back' and the only negative 1 had good which reasons were well explained in Sellers favor. The Negatives flowed 'Only After' the end of the Fraud auction! The Seller has a Corporation, in New York. Here are the link and Proof:

the actual eBay link will be down soon, because eBay yanks the auction pages after 30 days. But I also took copies and put them up for future reference.
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Updated 04-20-04
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My site with a link with my info about this subject:

http://www.virtualairforce.com/postnuke/index.php
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eBay Auction in discussion:
POWERCOLOR ATI RADEON 9700PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 25 Item number: 2795204457

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2795204457

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More news is coming..

(please read and look fully before you comment.. the Seller had great feedback before the 'negative came after the end of the auction')

I made an editorial with copies of everything for proof..
Thanx..
Ramstein


Also, note, I will not post any more about this on this board, in this forum, as it being an Off-Topic, I am not pushing my luck any longer.

[This message was edited by Ramstein609 on Sat April 17 2004 at 03:33 PM.]

[This message was edited by Ramstein609 on Tue April 20 2004 at 06:46 PM.]