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Kriebelerelf
05-08-2004, 07:09 PM
the trouble with all ing more german planes id that most of the variety is in the bombers. the fighte wings are made up of varients of the same plane, the Bf-109 and the FW-190. in order to get more getman planes you have to add the bombers
Like:
--> HE-115 B-2 (Torpedo bomber)
--> AR-234 B-2 (Jet Bomber)
--> Do-17 (Bomber)
--> Do-217 E-5 (Heavy Bomber)
--> and making the Ju-88 flyable

the only to other fighter varients that are differant are:

--> ME-110 G-4 (Night Fighter wit Schr√¬§ge Musik)
and --> Do-335 (Fighter with a push pull engine configuration)

unless Oleg or somebody decides to program these i guss your stuck with the 109 and the 190
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Kriebelerelf
05-08-2004, 07:09 PM
the trouble with all ing more german planes id that most of the variety is in the bombers. the fighte wings are made up of varients of the same plane, the Bf-109 and the FW-190. in order to get more getman planes you have to add the bombers
Like:
--> HE-115 B-2 (Torpedo bomber)
--> AR-234 B-2 (Jet Bomber)
--> Do-17 (Bomber)
--> Do-217 E-5 (Heavy Bomber)
--> and making the Ju-88 flyable

the only to other fighter varients that are differant are:

--> ME-110 G-4 (Night Fighter wit Schr√¬§ge Musik)
and --> Do-335 (Fighter with a push pull engine configuration)

unless Oleg or somebody decides to program these i guss your stuck with the 109 and the 190
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LEXX_Luthor
05-08-2004, 07:20 PM
Yes those are good for simming Luftwaffe Defeat, or dynamic campaign where Germany wins

If we had Luftwaffe Forgotten Plane we could sim when Luftwaffe Ruled the sky!

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Great Spain "forgotten" 109 pics---> http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/bf109.html

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WUAF_Badsight
05-08-2004, 07:24 PM
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9764/do335-28.jpg

Kriebelerelf
05-08-2004, 07:42 PM
Sweet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Are some one is working on the Do-335 can't wait even if i do fly for the allies most of the time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif
i did think of a problem with having the night fighter, the ai makes the plane your under pull up. even if it's prime conditions for the Schr√¬§ge Musik, pitch dark, and under an unaware enemy bomber. plus how would the radar work?

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Maj_Death
05-08-2004, 07:49 PM
Well what do you know, a request of planes that actually existed. Nicely done http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. I'd like to add the Me-210, Me-410, Bf-110C, Bf-110F, Fw-200 and the almighty Fi-156 Storch http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif.

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VW-IceFire
05-08-2004, 07:54 PM
Ju-88 flyable will be in the patch after this upcoming patch. So presently two patches from now.

It took a third party a very long time to model...so it was a substantial undertaking. I'd love to see a Dornier bomber (pencil?) in the game as an AI plane...but I doubt the stations would ever be built.

If the Luftwaffe gains a Me 410, Hs 129, and the Ju-88...that'd be a great series of additions.

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BlitzPig_DDT
05-08-2004, 07:59 PM
Bombers are boring. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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wayno7777
05-08-2004, 11:20 PM
Don't forget the HE-219 w/or w/o Jazz Music.

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Baltar
05-09-2004, 12:41 AM
I'd like to see....

Flyable:

MC.202
MC.205
Re.2000
Re.2005
Hs-123
Hs-129
Fw-189
Ar-234
He-219

AI:

He-177
Ju-188
Ju-388
Do-17
Savoia-Marchetti 79

ASM 1
05-09-2004, 07:55 AM
@WUAF_Badsight

Do 335 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif last I heard development had been stopped. Has it been resumed again and how far along is it do you know?

Do 335 mmmmmmm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yeah the He-219 and a flyable Ju 88 would be very nice too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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XyZspineZyX
05-09-2004, 11:14 AM
The Germans don't NEED more planes.

The representative ones (and a few that aren't representative) are all there:

Bf109s
Bf110
Fw190s
Stukas

What we need is for them to all be modelled CORRECTLY. Right now, a good deal of the vertical ability of 109s has been bled out of them courtesy of the "concrete elevator". And, with a little "smeared glass" on certain later models, they've made them harder to see out of than they ought to be.

We all know the unfair cockpit treatment the FW190 has received.

Then there's the ballistics and "marshmallow" 20mms.

Don't know of anything that's been done to the Bf110, but that's never going to be a worldbeater under the best of circumstances.

JG52_wunsch
05-09-2004, 11:38 AM
i d like to see a few more,like hs-129,he-219
me 410.the hs-129 was basicly an east front only plane,cheers.

After it was refeuled i climbed in.With many manipulations the mechcanics started the turbines.I followed their actions with the greatest of interest.The first one started quite easily.the second caught fire.In no time the whole engine was on fire.Luckily as a fighter pilot i was used to getting quickly out of the cockpit.The fire was quickly put out.The second plane caused no trouble - Adolf Galland (first time in a ME262)

PraetorHonoris
05-09-2004, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
The Germans don't NEED more planes.

The representative ones (and a few that aren't representative) are all there:

Bf109s
Bf110
Fw190s
Stukas
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Ju88 and their variants were more often used than Stukas and 110s together.
It is a must have for every simulation, especially if it has the class of Il2.
Ju88 was used as medium bomber, recon plane, night fighter, tank buster ... exept of turn fighting with single engined fighters there was no role, in which the Ju88 was not used.
It is a shame, that it is not in Il2 from the begin on.

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LEXX_Luthor
05-09-2004, 12:02 PM
Axis needs more planes, the Italian planes.

I wonder if many will dump their German planes for Italian planes, like LW wanted to do with G.55

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"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Baltar
05-09-2004, 12:26 PM
Ah the G.55, that's the one I couldn't remember last night. I'd REALLY like to see that one.

LEXX_Luthor
05-09-2004, 12:29 PM
G.55 cockpit update ---&gt; http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/963.html

G.55 is not exactly a Cylon Raider, but its close. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Baltar
05-09-2004, 12:32 PM
hehehe....is there a body to go along with that?

LEXX_Luthor
05-09-2004, 12:39 PM
I thought you registerd before the new movies came out, I guess not and I forgot when that was.

Bah I am thinking Classic Baltar


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"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

LeadSpitter_
05-09-2004, 12:53 PM
The do217 was the backbone of the luftwaffe in the eastern front, I cant believe its not in this sim. bf108 was used in the eastern front as well. Same with alot of biplanes like the HENSCHEL Hs 123. Same with alot of major russian aircraft missing like the i15 and other bi planes.

the german aircraft missing from the eastern front and western front

do217
bf-108
HENSCHEL HS129
NATTER
HEINKEL He - 112B DFS230 GLIDER
He100D
ARADO AR 234 BLITZ
Do 17E
Do 17M
DORNER 335b
Do 17Z
ME410
HEINKEL HE219 UHU
BLOHM & VOS Bv 141-B
HENSCHEL Hs 123(BIPLANE)
ARADO Ar 196
HE-51 (BIPLANE)
JU 188
DORNIER 217N
DORNIER DO 217E
Ju-86E MEDIUM BOMBER
HENSCHEL HS 126
He 59 SEAPLANE
Do 217 + FRITZ FLYING BOMBS
Do 217 + Hs 293 FLYING BOMBS
HE111
Ju 287 6 ENGINE JET BOMBER
Ju 88
SIEBEL Si 204D
He-177 GREIF
Do 24 FLYING BOAT

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LEXX_Luthor
05-09-2004, 01:01 PM
Dude spitter a Bf108 would be Awsum, pilots loved to fly that thing.

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"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

LeadSpitter_
05-09-2004, 01:17 PM
I seen photos of them with 2x upper cowl 7.62 and 2 outer wing cannon, Im not sure which version of the 108 it was but they were armed photos recons over russia. I will have to scan them

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p1ngu666
05-09-2004, 01:18 PM
that was like a speedy storch type of thing?
liason plane

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Baltar
05-09-2004, 02:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
I thought you registerd before the new movies came out, I guess not and I forgot when that was.

Bah I am thinking Classic Baltar
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This has long been my internet handle and I named myself after the Classic Baltar...my question was that cockpit looks nice but has someone modelled the body to go with it?

XyZspineZyX
05-09-2004, 03:00 PM
Mea culpa, the Ju-88 (also in late stages of development, I might add) was an oversight.

As for the Italian planes, they're irrelevant to a GERMAN plane discussion, nicht wahr? They're ITALIAN, after all.

But the point still stands... it's not so much that we don't have ENOUGH LW planes...it's that the ones we HAVE are highly representative....yet they've been craftily "crippled" in subtle and not-so-subtle ways.

Model them correctly and the pilots won't be pining for others, they'll do their jobs just fine until a time period when they were outclassed by finer machines (and in greater numbers, too).

Kriebelerelf
05-09-2004, 03:37 PM
Stiglr,
Your such a kill-joy for decent conversation. lets concentrate on improving the game by a dding a variety of new planes to an already wonderful game.

On another note...
I had no idea that there were so many different planes used by the Germans! It would be great to have so many to choose from! Hey LeadSpitter, how about some descriptions for those aircraft! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Go vote:
do you want MPH? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=150102383&p=1)

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gombal40
05-09-2004, 04:04 PM
Lead spitter u missed a few.
Arado Ar 197 #
Arado Ar 240 # (4)
Ar 240A (5)
Ar 240B (2)
Ar 240C (4)
Ar 240C-1 (some of 40 production orders for C-1 to C-4 were completed before project was cancelled)
Ar 240C-2 (proposal only)
Arado Ar 440 # (4) (1 was a converted Ar 240. project cancelled)
Arado Ar 68F
Bachem Ba 349 Natter #
Ba 349A (36)
Ba 349B (1)
Bloch MB.157 # * (1)
Blohm und Voss Bv 155 #
BV 155A-1 (1)
BV 155B (1 plus 1 incomplete)
BV 155C (1)
Dornier Do 17Z-6 Krauz I (1)
Do 17Z-10 Krauz II (9)
Dornier Do 215B-5
Dornier Do 217J-1 (157 J series)
Do 217J-2
Do 217N-1
Do 217N-2
Dornier Do 231 # (cancelled project)
Dornier Do 335 Pfiel #
Do 335A (9)
Do 335A-0 (10)
Do 335A-1
Do 335A-4
Do 335A-6
Do 335A-10 (1)
Do 335A-12 (1)
Do 335B-1
Do 335B-2 (2)
Do 335B-3 (proposal only)
Do 335B-4 (proposal only)
Do 335B-6 (proposal only)
Do 335B-7 (proposal only)
Do 335B-8 (proposal only)
Dornier Do 445 # (proposal only)
Dornier Do 535 # (proposal only)
Focke-Wulf FW 57 #
Focke-Wulf FW 187 Falke
FW 187A (6)
FW 187A-0 (3)
Focke-Wulf FW 190 (20,087 all variants)
FW 190V # (86 some Ta 152)
FW 190A-0 (11)
FW 190A-1 (100)
FW 190A-2
FW 190A-3
FW 190A-3/U-1
FW 190A-3/U-3
FW 190A-3/U-7
FW 190A-3/Trop
FW 190A-4
FW 190A-4/U1
FW 190A-4/R6
FW 190A-4/U8
FW 190A-4/Trop
FW 190A-5
FW 190A-5/R6
FW 190A-5/U2
FW 190A-5/U3
FW 190A-5/U6
FW 190A-5/U8
FW 190A-5/U10 #
FW 190A-5/U11
FW 190A-5/U12
FW 190A-5/U13
FW 190A-5/U16
FW 190A-5/U17 # (prototype 190F-3)
FW 190A-5/Trop
FW 190A-6
FW 190A-6/R1
FW 190A-6/R2
FW 190A-6/R3
FW 190A-6/R4
FW 190A-6/R6
FW 190A-6/Trop
FW 190A-7
FW 190A-7/R1
FW 190A-7/R2
FW 190A-7/R3
FW 190A-7/R4
FW 190A-7/R6
FW 190A-7/Trop
FW 190A-8
FW 190A-8/R1
FW 190A-8/R2
FW 190A-8/R3
FW 190A-8/R4
FW 190A-8/R6
FW 190A-8/R7
FW 190A-8/R11
FW 190A-8/R12
FW 190A-9
FW 190A-9/R1
FW 190A-9/R2
FW 190A-9/R3
FW 190A-9/R4
FW 190A-9/R6
FW 190A-9/R11
FW 190A-9/R12
FW 190A-9/Trop
FW 190A-10 #
FW 190B # (3 converted from 190A-1)
FW 190B-1 (1 incomplete)
FW 190C-0 # (6, 1 converted from 190A-0)
FW 190D-0 (10 converted from A-7s)
FW 190D-9
FW 190D-9/R11
FW 190D-10 (2 converted from 190D-0s)
FW 190D-11 (7)
FW 190D-12
FW 190D-12/R5
FW 190D-12/R11
FW 190D-12/R21
FW 190D-12/R25
FW 190D-13
FW 190D-13/R5
FW 190D-13/R11
FW 190D-13/R21
FW 190D-13/R25
FW 190D-14 (2, 1 each converted from 190D-9 and 190D-12)
FW 190D-15 proposal only (conversions of 190A-8 and 190F-8)
FW 190F-1
FW 190F-2
FW 190F-3
FW 190F-3/R1
FW 190F-3/R3
FW 190F-8
FW 190F-8/R1
FW 190F-8/R2
FW 190F-8/R3
FW 190F-8/R5
FW 190F-8/R8
FW 190F-8/R11
FW 190F-8/R14
FW 190F-8/R15
FW 190F-8/R16
FW 190F-9
FW 190F-10 proposal only
FW 190F-11 proposal only
FW 190F-12 proposal only
FW 190F-13 proposal only
FW 190F-14 proposal only
FW 190F-15 # (1)
FW 190F-16 # (1)
FW 190G-0
FW 190G-1
FW 190G-2
FW 190G-3
FW 190G-4
FW 190G-7 proposal only
FW 190G-8
FW 190H-1 proposal only
Focke-Wulf Ta 152
Ta 152A-1 proposal only
Ta 152A-2 proposal only
Ta 152B-1 proposal only
Ta 152B-2 proposal only
Ta 152B-3 proposal only
Ta 152B-4 proposal only
Ta 152B-4/R2 proposal only
Ta 152B-5 (1)
Ta 152B-5/R11 (3)
Ta 152C (3)
Ta 152C-0 (3 total 152C-0 and 152C-1)
Ta 152C-1
Ta 152H (3 converted from 190V)
Ta 152H-0 (20 total 152H-0)
Ta 152H-0/R11
Ta 152H-0/R21
Ta 152H-0/R31
Ta 152H-1 (1 converted from 152E-2, plus about 12)
Focke-Wulf Ta 153 # (1 converted from Ta 152H)
Focke-Wulf Ta 154 #
Heinkel He 100 #
Heinkel He 162 #
Heinkel He 219
Heinkel He 280 #
Junkers Ju 388J # (3 converted from Ju 188J)
Junkers Ju 88 C-1 (3,200+ C-series)
Ju 88C-1 (cancelled project)
Ju 88C-2
Ju 88C-3
Ju 88C-4
Ju 88C-5
Ju 88C-6
Ju 88C-6b
Ju 88C-6c
Ju 88C-7a
Ju 88C-7b
Ju 88C-7c
Ju 88G-1 (about 800 G-series)
Ju 88G-4
Ju 88G-6a
Ju 88G-6b
Ju 88G-6c
Ju 88G-7a
Ju 88G-7b
Ju 88G-7c
Ju 88H-2
Ju 88Nbwe (1)
Horten Ho 1X / Gotha Go 229 #
Macchi MC 205*
Messerschmitt Bf 109
Messerschmitt Bf 110
Messerschmitt Me 155 #
Me 155A (1)
Me 155B (project only - transfered to Blohm und Voss)
Messerschmitt Me 163
Messerschmitt Me 209 #
Messerschmitt Me 210 / 410
Messerschmitt Me 262
Messerschmitt Me 263 #
Messerschmitt Me 309 #
Messerschmitt Me 310 #
Messerschmitt Me 328 #



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Arado Ar 234 (214)
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Ar 234C-1
Ar 234C-2
Ar 234C-3
Ar 234C-3/N (proposal only)
Ar 234C-4
Ar 234C-5
Ar 234C-6 (proposal only)
Ar 234C-7
Ar 234C-8 (proposal only)
Ar 234D (10)
Ar 234D-1 (proposal only)
Ar 234D-2 (proposal only)
Ar 234P (proposal only)
Ar 234P-1 (proposal only)
Ar 234P-2 (proposal only)
Ar 234P-3 (proposal only)
Ar 234P-4 (proposal only)
Ar 234P-5 (proposal only)
Arado Ar 240C-3 (some of 40 production orders for C-1 to C-4 were completed before project was cancelled)
Arado Ar 66C
Arado Ar 95A ^ (6)
Caproni CA.314*
Dornier Do 17 (1730 total all types)
Do 17E-1
Do 17L (2)
Do 17M (2)
Do 17M-1
Do 17R (2)
Do 17U-0/U-1 (15)
Do 17Z (1,700 total)
Do 17Z-0
Do 17Z-1
Do 17Z-2
Do 17Z-5
Do 17Z
Dornier 215 (18 originally built as 215 A-1 for Sweden)
Do 215B-0
Do 215B-1
Dornier Do 217
Do 217C (5)
Do 217E-1
Do 217E-2
Do 217E-3
Do 217E-4
Do 217E-5
Do 217H (1 converted from E model)
Do 217K-1
Do 217K-2
Do 217K-3
Do 217L (2 converted from K models)
Do 217M-1
Do 217M-3
Do 217M-5
Do 217M-11
Do 217R (5 converted from Do 317 protoypes)
Dornier Do 317 # (6)
Feisler Fi 103R (175 approx)
Fi 103R-IV
Feisler Fi 167
Fi 167A (2)
Fi 167A-0 (12)
Fiat CR.42* (?)
Focke-Wulf FW 189C (2)
FW 189A-4
Focke-Wulf FW 190A-5/U14 torpedo
FW 190A-5/U15 (3) torpedo
FW 198A-8/U3 mistel
FW 190A-8/U11 torpedo
FW 190F-8/U2 torpedo bomb
FW 190F-8/U3 torpedo bomb
FW 190F-8/14 torpedo
Focke-Wulf FW 191 #
Focke-Wulf FW 200
Fokker C.VD* (less than 49)
Gotha Go 145
Heinkel He 111
Heinkel He 118 # (research)
Heinkel He 177
Heinkel He 274 #
Heinkel He 277 #
Henschel Hs 123
Henschel Hs 129
Henschel Hs 132 #
Junkers Ef 61 #
Junkers Ju 187 # (proposal only derived from Ju 87F)
Junkers Ju 188 (1,036)
Ju 188V # (2)
Ju 188A-2
Ju 188A-3
Ju 188E-1
Ju 188E-2
Ju 188S-1
Junkers Ju 287 # (1)
Junkers Ju 288B # (cancelled project)
Junkers Ju 290 (41 total includes transports)
Ju 290A-1 (about 12)
Ju 290A-2
Ju 290A-3
Ju 290A-4
Ju 290A-5
Ju 290A-7
Ju 290A-8
Ju 290A-9
Ju 290B-1 # (1)
Junkers Ju 388
Ju 388K-0 (10)
Ju 388K-1 (5)
Junkers Ju 390 # (2)
Junkers Ju 488 # (1 incomplete)
Ju 488A # (1 incomplete)
Junkers Ju 52/3mg3e ^ (?)
Junkers Ju 86D-1 ^ (5)
Ju 86E-1 (?)
Ju 86E-2 (?)
Ju 86G-1 (40)
Ju 86P-1# (1)
Ju 86R-2 # (? a few)
Junkers Ju 87 Stuka (5,709 total)
Ju 87A-1 ^ (3)
Ju 87B-1 (B models about 1,300 of total)
Ju 87B-2
Ju 87C-1 (carrier version. all converted to B-2 models)
Ju 87D-1
Ju 87D-2
Ju 87D-3
Ju 87D-5
Ju 87D-7
Ju 87F # (proposal only. became Ju 187)
Ju 87G-1 (converted from D-3)
Ju 87R (converted B-2)
Junkers Ju 88 (14,780 total)
Ju 88A-1 (probably 7,000+ A-series)
Ju 88A-2
Ju 88A-4
Ju 88A-5
Ju 88A-6
Ju 88A-6/U
Ju 88A-7
Ju 88A-8
Ju 88A-9
Ju 88A-10
Ju 88A-11
Ju 88A-13
Ju 88A-14
Ju 88A-15
Ju 88A-17
Ju 88E-0 # (basis of Ju 188)
Ju 88P-1 (about 30 P-series)
Ju 88P-2
Ju 88P-3
Ju 88P-4
Ju 88S-0
Ju 88S-1
Ju 88S-2
Ju 88S-3
Junkers Ju 88 Mistel (about 250)
Mistal 1 (Ju 88A-4 and Bf 109F)
Mistal 2 (Ju 88G-1 and FW 190A-6)
Mistel 3A (Ju 88A-6 and FW 190A-6)
Mistel 3B (Ju 88G-10 and FW 190A-8/U3)
Mistel 3C (Ju 88H-4 and FW 190A-8/U3)
Mistal (Ju 88G-7 and Ta 152H)
Messerschmitt Me 264 #
Piaggio P.108*


German Aircraft
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Transport, Reconnaissance and Communication Aircraft
Aero A.304*
Amiot 354* (4)
Arado Ar 232 # (2)
Ar 232B (20)
Arado Ar 240C-4 (some of 40 production orders for C-1 to C-4 were completed before project was cancelled)
Armstrong Whitworth A.W.27 Ensign* (2)
Benes Mraz Be.51* (? "small number")
Bloch MB.162* (1)
Bloch MB.220* (?)
Blohm und Voss BV 141
BV 141A (5)
BV 141B (5)
Blohm und Voss BV 142 (4)
Blohm und Voss BV 250 # (1 partly completed)
Caproni Ca.313G* (905 ordered - only a small number delivered)
Caudron C.445* (54 + "considerable numbers")
Doblhoff WNF 342 #
Dornier Do 17F-1
Do 17S-0 (3)
Do 17P
Do 17P-1
Do 17Z-3 (22)
Dornier Do 19 # (1)
Dornier Do 200 (Boeing B 17)*
Dornier 215B-4
Dornier Do 217A-0 (8)
Do 217P (1)
Do 217P-0 (3)
Dornier Do 635 # (twin Do 335 project only)
Douglas DC 3* (? some seized)
Fiat G.12* (? "considerable number")
Fiat G.18* (3)
Fiesler Fi 156 (total almost 2,900)
Fi 156A-0 (10)
Fi 156A-1
Fi 156B (project only)
Fi 156B-1
Fi 156C-0 (converted from A-1)
Fi 156C-2
Fi 156C-3
Fi 156C-3/Trop
Fi 156C-5
Fi 156D-0
Fi 156D-1
Fi 156E-0 (10)
Focke-Wulf FW 189 Uhu (864 total - some exported)
FW 189A-0 (10)
FW 189A-1
FW 189A-1/Trop
FW 189A-1/U2
FW 189A-1/U3
FW 189A-2
FW 189F-1
FW 189F-2
Focke-Wulf FW 190A-3/U4
FW 190A-4/U4
FW 190A-5/U4
FW 190E proposal only
Focke-Wulf Ta 152E-1 (2)
Ta 152E-2 (1)
Ta 152H-10 (1 incomplete)
Focke-Wulf FW 47
FW 47C (20+)
FW 47D (11)
Gotha Go 244
Heinkel He 116
Heinkel He 178 #
Heinkel He 60
Heinkel He 70
Henschel Hs 126
Henschel Hs 130 #
Junkers Ju 188
Ju 188D-1
Ju 188D-2
Ju 188F-2
Ju 188T-1
Junkers Ju 252 A (15)
Junkers Ju 290 (41 total includes bombers)
Ju 290A-0 (2)
Ju 290A-6
Junkers Ju 352 Herkules
Ju 352 # (12)
Ju 352A (33)
Junkers Ju 388L (47)
Junkers Ju 52 3m (4,835 ?)
Ju 52 3mg3e
Ju 52 3mg4e
Ju 52 3mg5e
Ju 52 3mg6e
Ju 52 3mg7e
Ju 52 3mg8e
Ju 52 3mg9e
Ju 52 3mg10e
Ju 52 3mg11e
Ju 52 3mg12e
Ju 52 3mg13e
Ju 52 3mg14e
Junkers Ju 86P-2 # (1)
Ju 86R-1 # (? few)
Junkers Ju 88B-0 # (10)
Ju 88D-0
Ju 88D-2
Ju 88D-3
Ju 88D-4
Ju 88D-5
Ju 88H-1
Ju 88H-3
Ju 88D-4
Ju 88T-1
Ju 88T-3
Junkers Ju W 34
Lioret et Olivier LeO 451T * (about 50)
Messerschmitt Bf 108
Messerschmitt Me 261 #
Messerschmitt Me 323
Savoia Marchetti SM 75* (?)
Savoia Marchetti SM 82* (? "several")
Schemp-Hirth Go 9 # (1) research aircraft
SIAMAN 200* (?)
Siebel Fh 104 Hallore
SNCAC Si 204* (Siebel Si 204)

German Aircraft
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Rotorcraft
Baumgartl Heliofly III #
Flettner Fl 265 (6)
Flettner Fl 282 Kolibri (24)
Focke-Achgelis Fa 223 Drache (18)
Focke-Anchgelis Fa 330 Bachstelze (200 approx)


German Aircraft
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Gliders
Blohm und Voss BV 40 # (6)
DFS 228 #
DFS 230
DFS 230 V7 #
DFS 331 #
DFS Fa 225 #
Feisler Fi 103R-I #
Gotha Go 242
Gotha Go 345
Junkers Ju 322 #
Kalkert Ka 430 #
Messerschmitt Me 321


German Aircraft
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Seaplanes
Arado Ar 196 (500+)
Ar 196A # (2)
Ar 196A-0 (10)
Ar 196A-1 (20)
Ar 196A-2
Ar 196A-3 (main production version)
Ar 196A-4 (24)
Ar 196A-5
Ar 196B # (2)
Ar 196B-0
Ar 196C (cancelled project)
Arado Ar 231 # (6)
Arado Ar 95A-1 (training)
Blohm und Voss BV 138
BV 138A-0 (6)
BV 138A-1 (25)
BV 138B-0 (small number converted from A-0 model)
BV 138B-1 (21)
BV 138C-1 (227)
BV 138 MS (small number converted from B-0 model)
Blohm und Voss 139 - see Ha 139 below
Blohm und Voss BV 222
BV 222A (7)
BV 222B (proposal only)
BV 222C (6 plus 4 under construction)
BV 222D (project abandoned 1 completed as C model)
Blohm und Voss BV 238 #
BV 238A (1 plus two partly completed)
BV 238B (project only)
Blohm und Voss FGP 227 # (1)
Breguet Bre.521 Bizerte*
Dornier Do 15 #
Dornier Do 18 (100+)
Do 18D-0
Do 18D-1
Do 18D-2
Do 18D-3
Do 18G-1
Do 18H (trainer)
Do 18N-1
Dornier Do 24 *
Do 24V # (3)
Do 24K-1
Do 24K-2
Do 24N-1 (11 modified from Dutch K-2)
Do 24T-1 (159 T series + some of 46 built in France)
Do 24T-2
Do 24T-3
Dornier Do 26
Do 26A (2)
Do 26D (4)
Dornier Do 318 # (1 modified from Do 24)
Focke-Wulf FW 58W
Focke-Wulf Fw 62 #
Focke-Wulf FW 189D (proposal only completed as B-0 model)
Hamburger Flugzeubau Ha 139 (BV 139)
Ha 139A (2)
Ha 139B/MS (1)
Heinkel He 114
Heinkel He 115
Heinkel He 115
Heinkel He 119 #
Heinkel He 59
Lioret et Olivier LeO H.246* (6)


German Aircraft
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Training Aircraft
Albatros L.68 (Nationalsozialistische Fliegerkorps)
Albatros L.75A (Nationalsozialistische Fliegerkorps)
? Albatros L.100 (Nationalsozialistische Fliegerkorps)
Arado Ar 396 #
Arado Ar 66C
Arado Ar 68F
Ar 68H # (1)
Arado Ar 76A
Arado Ar 96 (11,500+)
Ar 96A
Ar 96B
Ar 96B-1
Ar 96B-2
Ar 96C #
Arado 396 (none delivered by war's end)
Ar 396A-1
Ar 396A-2
Avia B.534*
Avia B.71*
Bloch MB.155*
Bloch MB.175*
Bloch MB.200* (?)
Bucker Bu 131
Bucker Bu 133
Bucker Bu 181
Caudron C.630* (65)
Caudron C.714* (about 20)
Dewoitine D520*
Dornier Do 17Z-4
Doswiadczalne Warsztaty Lotnicze R.W.D.8* (?)
Feisler Fi 103R-II (approx 175 all Fi 103R)
Fi 103R-III
Fiat CR.20 bis*
Focke-Wulf FW 44 Steiglitz (?)
FW 44B
FW 44E
FW 44C
FW 44D
FW 44F
FW 44J
Focke-Wulf FW 56 St√¬∂sser
FW 56A-0 (3)
FW 56A-1 (approx 1,000 total some exported)
Focke-Wulf FW 58 Weihe (1350 total, many exported)
FW 58B (4)
FW 58B-1
FW 58B-2
FW 58C
Focke-Wulf 189A-3 (limited numbers)
FW 189B-0 (3)
FW 189B-1 (10)
Focke-Wulf 190A-8/U1 (3)
FW 190F-8/U1 proposal only
Fokker G.1A*
G.1B*
Fokker T.VIII*
Gotha Go 145
Heinkel He 45
Heinkel He 46
Heinkel He 49
Heinkel He 50
Heinkel He 51
Heinkel He 72
Junkers Ju 87 Stuka (about 200 A-series)
Ju 87A-1
Ju 87A-2
Ju 87 H (converted D models)
Junkers Ju 88 A-3
Ju 88 A-12
Ju 88 A-16
Junkers Ju 88 Mistel
Mistal S-1 (Ju 88A-4 and Bf 109F)
Mistal S-2 (Ju 88G-1 and FW 190A-6)
Mistel S-3A (Ju 88A-6 and FW 190A-6)
Klemm Kl 35
Letov S 328*
Nardi F.N. 316* (7)
Panstwowe Zaklady Lotnicze P.Z.L. P7* (about 50)
Podlaska Wytwornia Samolotow P.W.S.26* (?)
Potez 63.11* (100+)
Republic P-47 Thunderbolt*
Skoda-Kauba SK.257* (6 - rejected from service)
Tupolev ANT 40* ("most of 111 seized")


see for more info on other country's this site!!http://users.senet.com.au/~mhyde/ww2_aircraft_title.htm

Kriebelerelf
05-09-2004, 04:14 PM
That is incredible... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
but here's a question for you, how many of them actually saw considerable use? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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LeadSpitter_
05-09-2004, 04:24 PM
my list is ones that seen service with kills or losses, that other list looks like every single german aircraft ever made.

Although i bet alot of them seen more service then the go229 and the i185 ta152 only one combat mission seeing no enemy engaugements

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/newsig.jpg

gombal40
05-09-2004, 05:48 PM
This list is of a lot of planes that where used by the germans. (look on the link i gave)

All of them saw use. Except for the ones that never left the drawing board. But for the more exotic ones u must think traingschool, freightplanes etc. (and even on this list there are some planes missing)


Leadspitter
the ju287 making an operational sortie? u certain?

HuninMunin
05-09-2004, 06:14 PM
No.
The made test-flights with a few models until it was dropped.
The RLM needed more capacity for fighter-ac.
But it was further developed; even a jet-powered version made its way to the drawing boards
(Ju-287 S-0).

LeadSpitter_
05-09-2004, 09:37 PM
yeah flight of 4 seen one bombing mission, one got hit with heavy flak. this is the damaged engine photo.

http://www.sspanzer.net/flyweapon/Ju287/22.jpg

http://www.sspanzer.net/flyweapon/Ju287/26.jpg

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lazio5
05-09-2004, 09:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Baltar:
I'd like to see....

Flyable:

MC.202
MC.205
Re.2000
Re.2005
Hs-123
Hs-129
Fw-189
Ar-234
He-219

AI:

He-177
Ju-188
Ju-388
Do-17
Savoia-Marchetti 79<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great list! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Im sorry, am i the only one who would like to
fly the FW 189 Owl?

Baltar
05-09-2004, 10:12 PM
Thx D00d!

I'd also like to see the Fiat G.55 (as I said earlier)...in fact, that is probably the plane I'd MOST like to see in FB right now...

LEXX_Luthor
05-09-2004, 10:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>hehehe....is there a body to go along with that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL I thought you were talking about the new Cylon uber models. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

G.55 and at least one or two MC are coming. When they come, our Axis simmers will run from German planes like how people will run from the US Dollar when they put Clinton or Bush on the US Dollar.

-- just kidding...about running from German planes.



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:
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dadada1
05-10-2004, 03:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
my list is ones that seen service with kills or losses, that other list looks like every single german aircraft ever made.

Although i bet alot of them seen more service then the go229 and the i185 ta152 only one combat mission seeing no enemy engaugements



http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/newsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you are refering to the Ta 152 H 1 think your exaggerating just a little. Ta 152 H1 did see service with JG 301 and has around nine or ten victories to it's credit and some losses. Your point may have been better made by not including this aircraft.

XyZspineZyX
05-10-2004, 11:46 AM
Kreibelerelf said:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Stiglr,
Your such a kill-joy for decent conversation. lets concentrate on improving the game by a dding a variety of new planes to an already wonderful game.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not a kill-joy for decent conversation. I'm just an advocate for accurate historical flight simming.

Your reaction is typical of the "gamer-rot" attitude that is prevalent throughout this community. All ills will be solved by adding one more plane to the mix, whether it belongs or not, never mind the fact that the other 70 or so have serious modeling flaws.

As you can infer from that big list above, we HAVE all the representative German planes (except for the Ju-88, which is almost with us). The German planeset was limited by their production; it's basically the 109, the 110, the 190, the Stuka, the He-111, and the Ju-88. Those were the workhorses and account for probably over 80% of total German production if you tote them all up. All the others are fairly insignificant in number (with the sole exception of the Me262, which had a significant IMPACT on technology, despite its late appearance and low numbers).

German players should not hunger at all for a selection of good, competitive (if not worldbeater-quality at the early stages of the war) planes.

The real problem is how they're modelled in the game: how they match up (or fail to match up) with contemporaries, the subtle things in the game system that penalize their performance, their tactical choices, and their utility.

THAT'S what needs to be addressed.

Kriebelerelf
05-10-2004, 04:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lazio5:
Great list! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Im sorry, am i the only one who would like to
fly the FW 189 Owl?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i say "The more planes the better" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I'm really interested in the Messerschmitt Bf 108. can some one get me a photo?

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Kriebelerelf
05-10-2004, 04:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Your reaction is typical of the "gamer-rot" attitude that is prevalent throughout this community. All ills will be solved by adding one more plane to the mix, whether it belongs or not, never mind the fact that the other 70 or so have serious modeling flaws.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First, I'm not "gamer-rot". I just don't like an attitude and I'm sorry if I offended you.

OK? can we get back to the discussion at hand?

Second, I agree with you on the mismodeling. Take the P-47 for example. in real life I know that it was no slouch in battle. Other wise, Chuck Yeager wouldn't have liked it so much. In the game it's pretty much you turn you stall! And the 190? It's got a horrible view I don't think that it was really like that.

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XyZspineZyX
05-11-2004, 12:57 PM
You shouldn't be turning in a P-47 PERIOD.

That specific problem might not be modeling. It's misuse.
==================================
As for the discussion at hand, I added a very salient point: the answer to "which planes do we need?" might very well be NONE.

In fact, I'd go further and strip a few out that flat out shouldn't be in the set.

Kriebelerelf
05-11-2004, 06:01 PM
which ones would you get rid of?

Remember it is just a game after all. Mearly a toy to occupy our minds.

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XyZspineZyX
05-11-2004, 06:09 PM
Kick-em-in-the-***-out-the-door list:

Bi-1 (the original worthless plane)
MiG-3U (only 6 produced)
I-185 (and it's not even in the set yet, but already proven to be baseless; great plane, but suffered horrible accidents in production, so it was decided not to produce it...that ought to tell you something).
Bf-109Z (what *IS* that, anyway?)

That's just for starters, I'm sure there are a few others not on the tip of my tongue just now.

LEXX_Luthor
05-11-2004, 06:19 PM
Every experienced fighter pilot lusted to get their sharpened claws into the latest experimental combat aircraft, friendly or captured from enemy. -- real life fighter pilots I mean.

We can easily see here the difference between military aviation enthusiasts who study rare combat aircraft and the amatuer internet dogfighters. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
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Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

_VR_ScorpionWorm
05-11-2004, 06:23 PM
Is the Do335 going to have crappy handling like in CFS3?

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LEXX_Luthor
05-11-2004, 06:26 PM
No plane in FB has crappy handling. For example its possible that MiG~3 should be harder to land.

Do~335 is a perfect example of "ally" fighter pilots dying to sink their claws into a rare captured enemy combat aircraft, and indeed they did, with the most rabid fanaticism.

-- real life "ally" fighter pilots that is


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"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

_VR_ScorpionWorm
05-11-2004, 07:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
No plane in FB has crappy handling. For example its possible that MiG~3 should be harder to land.

Do~335 is a perfect example of "ally" fighter pilots dying to sink their claws into a rare captured enemy combat aircraft, and indeed they did, with the most rabid fanaticism.

-- real life "ally" fighter pilots that is


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_"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..."_ ~Bearcat99
_"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age"_ ~ElAurens
:
_"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore_!_"_ ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif You have a point there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif
Stupid me for asking a stupid question. Although I did read somewhere that the 335 had terrible turning radius, is this true or was it another characteristic that was bad.(climbing?) I know it couldnt have had poor exceleration, had two engines...although I did make it heavy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif I think Ill stop before I loose myself. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
05-11-2004, 07:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Although I did read somewhere that the 335 had terrible turning radius, is this true or was it another characteristic that was bad.(climbing?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I've never really read about Do~335 except I recall one bad thing...the pilot headrest was stuffed with death camp victims' hair.

Turning ability and quality of handling are two completely different things.

Mig~3 could not turn, handled bad (at low airspeeds)
P~39 could turn, handled bad
Zero could turn (at low airspeeds), handled good (at low airspeeds)
Su~2 could not turn, handled good (at low airspeeds cos Su~2 was slow anyway lol)

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif ---&gt; These vague statements I probably will have to eat here.

You have all 4 combinations of turning ability and handling, thus indicating that they are not absolutely dependent upon each other--although they can be related but often in more than one way.

What looks like the worst above -the Mig~3- is not because it was faster in 1941 and much higher altitude capable than any of the other three listed (P~39 was crippled by US Army).


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Kriebelerelf
05-12-2004, 06:00 PM
the p39 was probably crippled by the army either because it was an export model or because the us pilots didn't like it to begin with http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
05-12-2004, 06:14 PM
Okay, they butchered it...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>At the time the Bell was being evaluated, the AAF [Army Air Force] was deep into "streamlining" as a way to improve aircraft performance. This is somewhat understandable, due to the relatively low powered aircraft engines of the 1930's. By reducing drag, especially parasite drag, the engineering minds at Wright Field found that significant increases in performance could be attained. This was all well and good. Unfortunately, they carried it too far as it related to the XP-39. NACA engineers decided that the Bell's turbosupercharger inlet created too much drag. Certainly the inlet generated no greater drag than did the Prestone inlets on the Lockheed XP-38. Nonetheless, they were insistent, the inlet scoop had to go. They reduced the height of the canopy, chopped 2 feet off the wing span and lengthened the fuselage by over a foot. A less powerful Allison with only a single stage mechanical supercharger replaced the turbosupercharged engine. This effectively eliminated decent high altitude performance. Thanks to these changes, the Airacobra had it's center of gravity shifted further aft, exacerbating its already marginal stability. All said and done, the people at Wright Field had reversed the old cliche, and created a sow's ear out of a silk purse.

Certainly Larry Bell and Bob Woods were outraged at the butchered result. Unfortunately, there was very little they could afford to do about it....


~ How America's Best Pre-War Single Engine Fighter Was Ruined By The Air Corps

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Kriebelerelf
05-15-2004, 02:38 PM
that's something i didn't know! thanks for the info http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif for a full persuit gallery you can go to the United States Air Force Museum at Wright Patterson Air Force Base Dayton, Ohio.
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/index.htm
The persuit gallery is in the archives portion.

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Curly_109
05-15-2004, 03:38 PM
I'd like to see the whole bunch of planes in this game. But then someone will call me a whiner. I post similar topic 1 month ago with question like "why we have zero, P51, B17 or Ki84 Frank in this game? And not have I-15bis, MiG-1,Do-17 list would be too long---maybe Fokker D.XXI... that acually flew over eastern front during WW2" no offense to japanese or american players meant, I just stete the FACTS...

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p1ngu666
05-15-2004, 03:44 PM
stigler, i dont think we should remove aircraft from the game tbh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
p47 can turn abit, at speed,
sadly it has no advantage in a dive

oh and those ppl who crapped up the p39 wouldnt allow merlins in the p38 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
that would scare the germans
twin merlins sound mean http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Kriebelerelf
05-15-2004, 09:04 PM
the merlins would have boosted the performance of the p38 to the point that they would have been successful in the ETO. better high altitude performance, better engine performance in the cold north, and probably higher speed and longer range too.

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