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fulanito_chile
03-13-2004, 02:09 PM
i just flow a mission with the P-40m and boy i could'nt do a thing with it... every time i turned it stalled... i recover to stall again all this time i lost so much alt the bandits were way higher and at a great distance form me... what am i doing wrong?!?

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fulanito_chile
03-13-2004, 02:09 PM
i just flow a mission with the P-40m and boy i could'nt do a thing with it... every time i turned it stalled... i recover to stall again all this time i lost so much alt the bandits were way higher and at a great distance form me... what am i doing wrong?!?

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BuzzU
03-13-2004, 02:16 PM
What patch are you flying? It flys pretty nice with the latest patches.

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CO_Eagle_31stFG
03-13-2004, 02:17 PM
you just need time to adjust to the P40. The 40 in FB is actually one if not the best modeled P40 I have ever tried. She may not have the best guns but she does fly like she should. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
03-13-2004, 02:21 PM
You have to get really close to the enemy to do damage. Adjust convergence to 200 to get maximum damage at reasonable distance.

The P40 may also be a little tricky to fly when you're really slow and in some curves. But with some training, P40 can be a deadly weapon. It is by far the best diver from that area.

P40 is still my favourite, though I usually try to vary planes.


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BuzzU
03-13-2004, 02:38 PM
Remember how easy the P-40 stalled before the patches? I'm thinking this is the problem.

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fulanito_chile
03-13-2004, 02:51 PM
no patches waiting on the AEP....

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BuzzU
03-13-2004, 02:55 PM
That's your problem then. You will see a big difference in many planes with the patches. I wouldn't wait for AEP. I did a fresh install of FB to 1.22 to AEP witout a single problem.

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fulanito_chile
03-13-2004, 03:05 PM
i will get 1.22 monday from university i only have dial up here... thanks by the way.. i hope it works out better coz looks a sexy beast the p-40

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Bearcat99
03-13-2004, 03:11 PM
The P-40 is a great plane to fly. You will be pleased.

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BuzzU
03-13-2004, 03:12 PM
The P-40 is a fun plane to fly against planes in it's own year. It can't compete against later planes, but it shouldn't have too. I also swear the six .50's have more power than the six .50's on the P-51, but it could be that it's just the tougher planes i'm trying to shoot down with the P-51.

Anyway, you'll like the patched P-40 a lot better. You can't just yank on the elevator, but that holds true with all American planes.

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Hunde_3.JG51
03-13-2004, 03:15 PM
Didn't fly it too much before, but now it is one of the most forgiving planes in all of FB. Plus when you add the patch you will notice the P-40 now rolls like a 190, seemingly at all speeds.

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BuzzU
03-13-2004, 03:17 PM
I smell a Luftwhiner.

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willyvic
03-13-2004, 03:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
The P-40 is a fun plane to fly against planes in it's own year. It can't compete against later planes.....

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Oh to the contrary my friend. With the influx of new meat and their lack of online ability the P-40 holds its own against most folks in your basic shoot em up room... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But I submit to your notion if the "later" birds are flown by a capable hand.

Cya round the lobby sometime.

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Hunde_3.JG51
03-13-2004, 03:39 PM
I smell something also Buzz, and its not Luftwhining. The P-40 should be one of the better rollers, just noting that the P-40's roll was increased significantly since FB 1.0. Actually its roll remained fairly consistent from charts posted here, unlike some planes whose roll increased or decreased with speed. And I think you would agree that it is one of the most forgiving planes now, to stall a P-40 you have to be a madman with the stick. Some people online choose it over the P-51, now I think the P-40 is decent but I would never take it over a Mustang.

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Heart_C
03-13-2004, 03:47 PM
DO NOT PATCH UP TO 1.22!

An update to AEP from there is NOT supported. You might be lucky and it works, however you might as well encounter problems as the result. Bearcat and some others reported that they tried different procedures and indeed they get the best framerates for example with FB 1.0 clean + AEP. Also, the manual suggests only to update from either 1.0 or 1.21.

BuzzU
03-13-2004, 03:52 PM
Isn't that because the manual was printed before 1.22 came out?

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NetDaemon
03-13-2004, 04:13 PM
Well, I did the AEP install right over 1.22 and it worked flawlessly.

Then read Bearcatâ´s advice here and uninstalled everything FB related, did the AEP install over FB retail to see If I could gain more performance...

...and got 1 more FPS average in BlackDeath.ntrk http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

So yeah, you can install AEP right on top of 1.22 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif



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Snoop_Baron
03-13-2004, 04:35 PM
I'm sorry Hunde but your are wrong. I just got of flying on a server with some m8s and I was flying the P40M and it is quite easy to stall in 1.22.

"To stall a P-40 you have to be a madman with the stick." That is uter rubbish.

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Hunde_3.JG51
03-13-2004, 04:45 PM
Snoop, I guess we will agree to disagree for now then. Perhaps it is because I fly the 190 so much that the P-40 seems so forgiving. I think the P-40 is certainly more forgiving than planes like FW-190, P-51, P-47, P-38, P-63, Bf-109 and others. And I think is on par in terms of forgiveness with Migs, Yaks, Laggs, & La's. Only planes like the Spitfire, Zero, and Hurricane seem to let you get away with more. I may be wrong as I don't fly the P-40 THAT much, so I take my comment back for now until I try again later. Also, I meant in NO WAY that the P-40 was overmodelled which some of you seem to be suggesting. My comment was more of a compliment than a complaint. I'm just glad the P-40 was improved because before nobody was flying it at all, now they are somewhat common on early war servers (and occasionaly late war ones) which is cool.

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Thrawn888
03-13-2004, 05:56 PM
good plane, i match all types of planes in it, the main factors that work for me are first off its durability iv got this plane back with oil leaks holes all over and engine damage extremely bad, the other factor is ALOT of people underestimate the P40 especially in late servers assuming its old and easy to beat and that usually gives me an edge

ucanfly
03-13-2004, 10:13 PM
The P-40 from pilot accounts was not a very forgiving plane at all, but was good when you kept it's speed up.

OLeg fixed it's slow roll rate with the patch but made a little too forgiving in pitch and it doesn't display bad tendencies also IMO. There was a reason that many pilots didn't particularly think the P-40 was a forgiving plane, but could maneuver at speed and dive well. But it is very tough to model all that in a PC I guess.

When I reloaded for AEP I flew the P-40 (1.0) and almost wish it was back to that version because it was OK in roll but would snap when you pulled back extra hard. The 50 cals sounded better too (a more metallic clanging sound to them).

ElAurens
03-13-2004, 11:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fulanito_chile:
i just flow a mission with the P-40m and boy i could'nt do a thing with it... what am i doing wrong?!?
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Try the P40E. A much better aircraft...

As far as the P40 not beig competetive agianst later aircraft, well...yes and no... I have shot down several Ki84s and P51s with the P40E.

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repoman11
03-13-2004, 11:57 PM
I like the P-40. It is my favorite plane, but I do fly Allied planes almost exclusively.

It makes me sad that it has been left out of many Greater Green maps where it could have been included.

I really enjoy it when flown against contemporary 109's. I haven't learned to adjust my style for Zeros though.

I did bag both a D9 and a 262 on Greater Green the other night.

Use the patch, learn to fly her, and remember your combat flaps. I like to give it 99% throttle with the radiator closed for climbing and cruise. 110% and radiator open for combat. 50% fuel will give you plenty of range.

BaldieJr
03-14-2004, 12:58 AM
P40M is a good plane. Practice with it in QMB against 2 ace P40M's. When you become consistant, try it against other planes.

Learn evasive moves. Once you jump into the meat-grinder online, you'll be glad you did.

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konstantinl1
03-14-2004, 01:29 AM
Anyone else disappointed we've never got the
P-40N? It was the coolest looking model!

Stalker58
03-14-2004, 01:39 AM
All P40 are nice, but require some experience to fight in it.In right hand is deadly even in 43 FR servers. Just ask Jimmy Giro, ace of aces in FB, if you ever encouter his P40 in RAF markings, be very careful! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!