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O-NO
06-08-2004, 11:30 AM
My friend just got an X45 and I was wondering if this is one of the Best Sticks out there or is the CH combatstick any better ? Or is there even a better stick out there that I have not seen http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif. Thank You for your Help.

O-NO
06-08-2004, 11:30 AM
My friend just got an X45 and I was wondering if this is one of the Best Sticks out there or is the CH combatstick any better ? Or is there even a better stick out there that I have not seen http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif. Thank You for your Help.

carguy_
06-08-2004, 11:32 AM
You can try Thrustmaster Cougar,but CH products are pretty much the best.

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tigerroach
06-08-2004, 11:36 AM
CH is a cut above, but the X45 is a good value for the money and a lot of folks like 'em just fine.

Osirisx9
06-08-2004, 11:54 AM
If you dont want to fix a broken Joystick every other day...Pick CH Products. They never break.

RAF238thOsiris

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-08-2004, 12:02 PM
What tigerroach and carguy both said. Saitek has been long appreciated as being one of the best values whereas CH is considered one of the best controllers. The combatstick is a fine controller, but the flagship of the CH stable is the FighterStick. It's almost the same mold as the Combatstick, but has a few more buttons and functions.

The Saitek X45 can be had for about $70 USD (which includes a throttle and JS) and the CH FighterStick is about $100 by itself. To get the most out of the CH, I would highly recommend joining it with the CH Pro Throttle and pro Pedals. There is no better controller HOTAS on the market IMO. The drawback in comparing it to the Saitek is obviously the price. Each of the CH controllers runs about $100 a piece.

The Thrustmaster has an almost cult following and with good reason. They're great controllers. However, there is a large amount of concession on the part of the Cougar crowd in the fact that most Cougars really hit their stride only after pricey upgrades and tuning. Cougars are , historically, less reliable than the CH gear as well and cost about the same as the CH HOTAS.

Bottom line is this: If money is the biggest issue, you really can't go wrong with the Saitek (though you may end up replacing it in the future). Thrustmaster Cougars run about $300 USD and might require modding and tuning to achieve acceptable results. CH is good out of the box. They're sturdy, reliable, but with slightly more complicated programming software.

Look at some in person and weigh the important factors for you.



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horseback
06-08-2004, 12:06 PM
Remember that a CH Products stick will not have a twist rudder axis. That means you will need rudder pedals or some other way to apply rudder. This effectively doubles your cost, but I use the CH Products HOTAS setup, and they are worth it, IF you are going to spend a lot of time in the virtual cockpit.

cheers

horseback

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El Turo
06-08-2004, 12:46 PM
You'll be wanting to buy a set of rudder pedals either way really, because the X45 "rocker" rudder is for ****... and the CH stick doesn't even bother with the rocker and has no twist.

I really enjoyed my X45 but it developed too much centerplay slop after a year of use and I didn't buy it at a local retailer with an in-store replacement warranty (which I wish I would have).

IF you're looking at an X45, make sure you get it froma local retailer and that you buy the 2 year warranty so you can trade it in for a new one in a year or so. They have a nasty tendency to bust hat-switches and develop slop in about 6-18 mos of use.

CH Fighterstick is what I have now (in combination with my X45 throttle and CH Pro Pedals) and I do like it.. but I wish the springs were heavier like the X45 and that the 8-way hat and #2 fire button weren't on the top of the face of the joystick... reaching them can be a bit cumbersome at times with the two bulky 4-way hats immediately underneath them (and I'm not a small guy).

My advice, is look into buying a cheapo stick and a set of nice pedals for the next 4-5 months and then take a serious look at the new X52 when it comes out this fall to complete your HOTAS. I'm going to buy one to see how I like it and depending on the quality and feel, I may sell my Fighterstick (I know, I know.. heresy!)

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Kerosene31
06-08-2004, 12:51 PM
Joysticks are such a personal preference kind of thing. If possible I would try to find a computer shop which has demo models out to let you try them out for yourself.

I personally use the Saitek X45, but I also use CH Rudder pedals instead of the throttle rocker switch. I used to own the CH Fighterstick, but I did not like the lack of resistance it gave. I prefer the relatively stiffer Saitek sticks.

RevvinUK
06-08-2004, 01:26 PM
The only stick I ever owned that developed more centre play 'slop' than my Cougar was a Saitek X36 I used. I now use a USB CH Fighterstick,Pro Throttle, Pro Pedals and Flight Sim Yoke and never been happier.

Revvin

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BuzzU
06-08-2004, 01:32 PM
Another vote for CH, and i've tried them all.

It's not cheap though, as you really need the stick, throttle, and rudder pedals to get the full effect.

I feel it's worth it if you're serious about flight sims.

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O-NO
06-08-2004, 01:41 PM
WOW! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
Thanks for all the Great Information so fast.