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AusDerReihe
05-11-2004, 10:26 AM
Is the pilot the only one who can operate the bombsight? It would be nice if one could set auto pilot to follow waypoints while you operated the bombsigth/dropped the bombs, either in single missions or in coop. Any clues?

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AusDerReihe
05-11-2004, 10:26 AM
Is the pilot the only one who can operate the bombsight? It would be nice if one could set auto pilot to follow waypoints while you operated the bombsigth/dropped the bombs, either in single missions or in coop. Any clues?

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lil_labbit
05-11-2004, 10:37 AM
In a bomber (like the TB3) the bombadier not the pilot does the bombing... Bind keys for it under Controls and go to the bombadiers position when flying over target on auto-pilot... Or do it in Coop with a real pilot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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AusDerReihe
05-11-2004, 11:01 AM
yes, i know. the thing is that in ccop there is no such position as bombardier to select, and the only way i can get access to the bombardier's position is to select gunsight view from the nose gunners position (He-111), and this only works if i select pilot position. i just tried it with a friend who selected pilot (with me as nose gunner), and then i wasn't able to select the bombsight at all.

when the mission is saved as a single mission, it's true that i can set autopilot and go to bombsight, but i'm not allowed to adjust it in any way.

still clueless... :/

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SlickStick
05-11-2004, 11:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AusDerReihe:
yes, i know. the thing is that in ccop there is no such position as bombardier to select, and the only way i can get access to the bombardier's position is to select gunsight view from the nose gunners position (He-111), and this only works if i select pilot position. i just tried it with a friend who selected pilot (with me as nose gunner), and then i wasn't able to select the bombsight at all.

when the mission is saved as a single mission, it's true that i can set autopilot and go to bombsight, but i'm not allowed to adjust it in any way.

still clueless... :/

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In the He-111, the nose gunner is the bombadier. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I've never experienced an issue where I was in the nose gunner position and could not access the bomb sight or controls hitting Shift F1 to lean into the sight.

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AusDerReihe
05-11-2004, 12:00 PM
yes, pit is on. here is a summary of my "efforts" to make this work:

mission loaded
-from FMB ('player' checked in object view) autopilot ON = cannot go to bombsight.
-from FMB ('player' un-checked in object view) autopilot ON = cannot go to bombisght.
-from single mission, autopilot ON = CAN go to bombsight but cannot operate.
-multiplayer, me hosting (me as nose gunner, friend as pilot) = cannot go to bombsight, friend as pilot can.
-multiplayer, me hosting but no one else connected autopilot ON = cannot go to bombsight.

operating the bombsight works in all of the above with autopilot OFF just fine, except multiplayer with a friend as pilot (obviously).

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609IAP_Recon
05-11-2004, 12:24 PM
with multiplayer, you can't have one guy pilot and another use bombsight.

Don't know why

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SlickStick
05-11-2004, 12:43 PM
Hmmm, how about instead of using Auto Pilot, line the bomber up with the target from a distance, after assigning a key in controls, hit Autolevel and then the plane will automatically fly level, with only minor trim adjustments needed to maintain flight path towards target.

Then, switch to bombardier view, hit Shift F1 to lean into bombsight and adjust the sight for airspeed, altitude and only make minor adjustments to rudder or elevator, toggling autolevel off/on as required. Always use speedbar indications for entering bomb sight information.

The plane will stay level and if you only make slight corrections under 5 degrees, the sight will not blank out. If you move the plane too much, the crosshairs diasappear and won't come back for about 20-30 seconds.

I've had no issues using bombsight in QMBs, Co-ops or online ever when using Autolevel control. I like to manually drop my bombs however, since I feel the Autodrop part usually drops them short.

The manual for FB, I thought, detailed the bombsight controls and such fairly well. It's how I learned and I've actually gotten not-so-bad at hitting my targets from 2500 to 3000m of altitude.

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ZG77_Lignite
05-11-2004, 03:42 PM
It has been requested (loudly and boisterously) in the past AusderReihe, and you are correct; while online only the player that selected the 'pilot' position may operate the bombsight.

The reason for this is related to joystick control of the aircraft, while online (offline too for that matter) only 1 person (the 'pilot') may control the aircraft while in flight, due to FB engine 'limitation'. But at the same time, the bombardier (bombsight operator) must be able to control the aircraft, thus the 'pilot' is the only one able to operate the bombsight, others who joined as gunners do not have the 'flight controls (joystick control).

No doubt it would be nice if Oleg was able to 'strip' the joystick control of the bombardier (of course then people would 'cry' about not being able to control the aircraft while using bombsight), this would probably allow for online use, but it is either too much work, or not enough gain, for Oleg to do it (so far).

SlickStick
05-11-2004, 04:57 PM
I guess I didn't understand his question because I just joined a multiplayer server, selected an He-111, took off, hit C key to switch to nose gunner position and controlled the bombsight with no issues.

Looking closer at his question, though, I see that my inital explanation works because I AM the pilot, just jumping into the gunner/bombadier position, not a gunner only. I've never been in the situation where I was gunner only and tried to work the bombsight.

My mistake if it doesn't work. Oh well, live and learn. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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AusDerReihe
05-11-2004, 06:26 PM
thanks for the input people, much appreciated.

ZG77_Lignite:
that explains alot. a server side option to allow stripping of a/c controls for the bombardier/gunner position could eliminate these 'cries' you speak about, but an option to do it for each individual bomber would be even better (at a/c selection in coop). might be difficult to implement, i don't know anything about game engines/programming. we usually play on private servers using TS, which would be required if the bombardier didn't have control of the a/c. separate a/c control/bombardier control would be much closer to what happened in real life, though i can understand people finding it rewarding to be able to drop bombs on target while managing the plane at the same time.

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