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TAGERT.
05-10-2004, 10:24 PM
Why dont we get this kind of feedback on patches?

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TAGERT.
05-10-2004, 10:24 PM
Why dont we get this kind of feedback on patches?

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WWMaxGunz
05-10-2004, 10:33 PM
Excessively rude whiners for far too long?

TAGERT.
05-10-2004, 11:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Excessively rude whiners for far too long?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh, dont be so hard on yourself! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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BennyMoore
05-11-2004, 02:35 AM
On the other hand, Lock On is far more crudely thrown together than Sturmovik. The key configuration is hell, and I'm not talking about the real life controls.

Apparently, the developers rightly feel that they owe the customers patches to fix the insane errors. With IL-2, the errors are more subtle, for the most part, and the developers can get away with dividing resources between patches for the last incomplete game and working on the next.

Fennec_P
05-11-2004, 03:17 AM
For comparison:

IL2: Gunsight in cockpit gets damaged by weapons too easy
LOMAC: Cockpit disappears at random when firing weapons

IL2: 50 cal has a little too much dispersion
LOMAC: Gau-8 and rockets have no dispersion

IL2: No overcast clouds
LOMAC: Overcast clouds reduce FPS to 1

IL2: Ship tracer smoke affects frame rate
LOMAC: Small fires reduce FPS to 0

IL2: AI can see through clouds
LOMAC: AI radar can see you through mountains, and over hundreds of miles

IL2: Online warping on poor hosts with many players
LOMAC: I wouldn't know, I can't get multiplayer not to lock up for that long

IL2: Red star on Mig-3 wingtip disappears
LOMAC: Airplanes disappear, parts of planes disappear and textures become garbled

IL2: Stutters while planes respawn online
LOMAC: Stutters while flying, shooting, explosions, plane approaching, tanks approching, city approaching, sound effects loading and God help you if you shoot some bullets into the water

I'd rather wait for an IL-2 patch than play LOMAC.

[This message was edited by Fennec_P on Tue May 11 2004 at 02:27 AM.]

Stalker58
05-11-2004, 04:36 AM
Very good and telling comparison Fennec_P!

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

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05-11-2004, 05:25 AM
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VW-IceFire
05-11-2004, 07:08 AM
Thank you for putting it into perspective. Much appreciated!

We'll stick with AEP's problems...they are minor and we can wait for the patch. The number of "where's my patch, I demand it right now!" threads are starting to become tedious.

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XyZspineZyX
05-11-2004, 08:38 AM
I must be one of the lucky ones...
LOMAC seems to run fine on my machine.
No hiccups, stutters, disappearing bits, it all seems fine.

Haven't experienced the AI seeing through mountains yet...still in training

NoBunny
05-11-2004, 11:20 AM
LOMAC works fine for me too. Again - this all goes back to the big O's commitment to poor quality control. It's systemic in that part of the world.

Prepare to get another mess to be forced on you.

WWMaxGunz
05-11-2004, 12:58 PM
Yes, the mess known by most players as the best prop combat flight sim in the world.

Perhaps there's better you would care to name?

But at least they would tell you what's going on?


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NoBunny
05-11-2004, 02:20 PM
Thats right - Not many out there to name - I would't post if I didn't care about this sim. With all the revenue, acclaim, and fan loyalty this product has generated - we deserve better.

This sim is an opportunity to revive a dying genre - and make in more mainstream. But we all know where the O in egO comes from.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Yes, the mess known by most players as the best prop combat flight sim in the world.

Perhaps there's better you would care to name?

But at least they would tell you what's going on?

Neal<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WWMaxGunz
05-11-2004, 02:29 PM
Well I'm certain that with such gratuitous rudeness we'll all get more info that much sooner.

BSS_Vidar
05-11-2004, 03:32 PM
LOMAC runs great on my machine with 75FPS even in heavy weather. The only thing I'm waiting for on the LOMAC patch is the fix for the look-down shoot down capability of the F-15's radar. Everything else is smokin'! And Mud-Moving in the A-10 is absolutly awesome. When this patch comes out, it'll be even more enjoyable for me.

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tfu_iain1
05-11-2004, 03:35 PM
i still the think the king of bugs is the original release of hidden and dangerous (the first one) complete with the utterly hilarious 'random vehicle skylaunch bug'

TAGERT.
05-11-2004, 08:07 PM
WOW! I guess the 1st responce set the tone of this thread... Too bad.. I *thought* it was a simple question... Guess not... How you guys turned it into a LOMAC put down is beyond me

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LW_Icarus
05-11-2004, 08:46 PM
Ummm. Lomac runs good here, and online seems fine, although mostly I just checked it out, and am still flying offline mostly. but smooth as heck with good settings. and yes, they are very communicative over there.

I wont slam Oleg and Crew, I have the utmost respect for both developers. other than a missing dedicated server for AEP I could wait a year for a patch and never whimper.

Lomac is playable, but that patch should make it awesome. we'll see.

BennyMoore
05-18-2004, 12:21 AM
Don't get me wrong, Lock On has unparallelled realism for modern aerial combat, but its resource consumption reverse optimization and its mad key configuration Hel make it impossible for a even the most die-hard realism junky like myself to play it. I don't understand how even those of you whose supercomputers (I have a very good computer, and it still can't take the clouds on minimum) somehow handle the ******y can manage to cope with the key configuration mess and the bugs buggery.

Skarp-Hedin
05-18-2004, 08:17 AM
key configuration??? I have no problem with the key configuration. one problem I know is that no matter what you set your connection to, it thinks your connection is a 28k (bug) so there is allot of lagg. I got cable and I can only host 4 or 6 guys at most without heavy amounts of lagg. other than that...it's allot of fun http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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nearmiss
05-18-2004, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
Why dont we get this kind of feedback on patches?

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I think that kinda feedback (Lomac) is not what it seems. They've been messing with patch betas for months now.

If you want to know what's going on, go ahead try to figure it out. Lomac won't put up a sticky with just the news on the patch, which allows no posts from users. So...you have to read several threads full length or be watching the threads carefully.

I'd say too much news is not good either.

The Lomac and IL2 sites each need to put up a sticky thread to give us the latest scoop on the patch, and not allow any postings on the thread. Then users could just go to the thread see the latest news and move on to better things.

The biggest part of the frustration is having to waste time reading all the threads, and never really getting the whole story.

Per Rodney, "We get no respect!" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I posted too soon. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif re:Lomac General Discussion board. Stormin' put up a sticky thread no reply allowed to give users update information on the coming patch.

Now patch news can be updated and it'll take about a minute to get the information. On and off to better things, instead of having to scroll the board looking for responses that might conceal viable information on the coming patch.

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Skarp-Hedin
05-18-2004, 12:52 PM
I've been shifing though the **** for a while now on lomac forum so ask me a question and I'll give you the scoop.

IL2..I have no problems with them not telling about the patch..I like surprises and I don't have to check the site constantly hoping the patch will be out ect. if it comes it's out.

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TAGERT.
05-18-2004, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
I think that kinda feedback (Lomac) is not what it seems. They've been messing with patch betas for months now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well.. at least they get some status... Another thing LOMAC gets is a good readme file that contains all the things that were changed/fixed... Detailed things... If I had my wish, I would like to see a weekly update on the patch... I would take that over pic of BoB every friday!! I dont think it is too much to ask.. This comunity has been loyal and deservers it... That and a weekly update would cut down on about 80% of the bogus rumors threads were people guess at what is going on weekly

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starfighter1
05-19-2004, 02:16 AM
hi,
one very import feature to combatsims is missed in Your list 'Fennec_P':

for comparison:
IL2/FB:in general the forward view/virtual pilots view/combat view (camera view system in game engine)is too low (it's a 'gnomish' view) compare to real pilots height of eyes view in WW II warbirds

LOMAC:the virtual pilots forward view is also more down than in real cockpits, but not extremely as in IL2/FB.
LockOn is using a spezial bottom to toggle the view more down to recognize more instruments at the panel.

Conclusion/Confusion: developer of LOMAC talk about a compromise to better view as a PC-simers.

developer of IL2/FB is talking about 'real things' in design at all planes and forward/gunsight views(example:re FW-190 view and more)and confuse or mix up reality and design and even the simers.


result: LOMAC developer ist straightforward and open for costructive discussion.

IL2/FB developer is obstinate and not open to change/ important features in a constructive way.(one example:change of overmodelled nuzzle flashes....)

my two cents... to the above discussion....



[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fennec_P:
For comparison:

IL2: Gunsight in cockpit gets damaged by weapons too easy
LOMAC: Cockpit disappears at random when firing weapons
......

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BennyMoore
05-19-2004, 10:07 PM
Boy, you entirely missed the point of his post, didn't you?