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Cardinal25
01-29-2004, 02:17 PM
Who modeled this? Gibb tell me, was it you?

http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14792

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Cardinal25
01-29-2004, 02:17 PM
Who modeled this? Gibb tell me, was it you?

http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14792

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Cardinal25
01-29-2004, 02:32 PM
No one has interest in the fact that we may be getting a flyable P-61?

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BpGemini
01-29-2004, 02:37 PM
I'm interested in the P-61 plus 2. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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lbhskier37
01-29-2004, 02:38 PM
I would look, but you need to register just to look, and I am way to lazy to register in that hole.

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faustnik
01-29-2004, 02:42 PM
I think Crash might be jerkin' your chain Card.

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Cardinal25
01-29-2004, 02:44 PM
I am looking for a hint of reality in it, thus my post.

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XyZspineZyX
01-29-2004, 02:54 PM
I've got about ZILCH interest in the P-61 or any other "barely flew", "hardly flew" or "out of place" plane.

I don't know why people can't maintain interest in the BEVY of planes we have that actually did do more than just "appear once or twice" or land on a shipping dock somewhere (taking delivery = massive theatre wide deployment to some in here)

I think it stems from the fact that these wished-for planes all have big gun packages or something, deluding guys into thinking they'll be worldbeaters if they just had this one (more) superplane!!!

No, they'll likely suck just as bad in it as a representative plane. There really is no substitute for just learning how to fly, how to do advanced ACM, manage your energy, manage your situational awareness, and knowing your plane and your enemy's plane. Not to mention having a sense of historical perspective.

Then, you'll be able to kick butt even in crappy planes like Hurricanes, early LaGGs.

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01-29-2004, 02:58 PM
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faustnik
01-29-2004, 02:59 PM
Uhh, what are you talkin' about Stig?

The P-61 served in the ETO and PTO?

BTW, Cardinal knows his stuff. He can kick a$$ in any plane, and is no n00b.

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VW-IceFire
01-29-2004, 04:02 PM
P-61 was quite well used as I recall.

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Eagle_361st
01-29-2004, 05:07 PM
Yep, the P-61 saw extensive action in the ETO and PTO during 44 and 45, several aces were made flying that aircraft. As far as it being modelled in FB, I am not sure, but try netwings, they may have the answer you seek. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
01-29-2004, 05:16 PM
I'm not saying the Black Widow was *never* used.

But, compared to 90% of other planes in this sim (excluding the total afterthoughts like the Bi-1, MiG3U, etc.).... it was a complete asterisk. A nightfighter, mostly, which is why it could get away with that huge, heavy turret on it: enough firepower to kill something the pilot could barely see in the dark, and the dark affording enough cover for it to escape having to fight a prolonged engagement.

crazyivan1970
01-29-2004, 05:25 PM
Card LMAO...

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A.K.Davis
01-29-2004, 06:03 PM
Planeater? He said he was going to do a P-61 after he finished the P40B/C, I believe.

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Copperhead310th
01-29-2004, 06:09 PM
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Cardinal25
01-29-2004, 10:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
I've got about ZILCH interest in the P-61 or any other "barely flew", "hardly flew" or "out of place" plane.

I don't know why people can't maintain interest in the BEVY of planes we have that actually did do more than just "appear once or twice" or land on a shipping dock somewhere (taking delivery = massive theatre wide deployment to some in here)

I think it stems from the fact that these wished-for planes all have big gun packages or something, deluding guys into thinking they'll be worldbeaters if they just had this one (more) superplane!!!

No, they'll likely suck just as bad in it as a representative plane. There really is no substitute for just learning how to fly, how to do advanced ACM, manage your energy, manage your situational awareness, and knowing your plane and your enemy's plane. Not to mention having a sense of historical perspective.

Then, you'll be able to kick butt even in crappy planes like Hurricanes, early LaGGs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How your forget me kicking your *** all over the sky in my lowly P-39 (IL-2) when you flew against the 777th AVG.

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ElAurens
01-29-2004, 11:48 PM
Cardinal...one of the better trolls I've seen in a while...

Stiglr, your lack of knowlege concerning the P61 is appaling...

and yes, I want to fly it in FB...badly.

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ElAurens
01-29-2004, 11:55 PM
The shape of death.....

http://www.is.northropgrumman.com/gallery/historical/images/p-61_42.jpg

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kyrule2
01-30-2004, 12:12 AM
I guess I'm missing something with the troll talk or whatever, but I remember some guy came here and took a poll as to what plane people wanted him to model. He chose the P-61 anyway, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Haven't heard anything in awhile but haven't been to Netwings as much either.

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WUAF_Badsight
01-30-2004, 12:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:

I think it stems from the fact that these wished-for planes all have big gun packages or something, deluding guys into thinking they'll be worldbeaters if they just had this one (more) superplane!!!
There really is no substitute for just learning how to fly, how to do advanced ACM, manage your energy, manage your situational awareness, and knowing your plane and your enemy's plane. Not to mention having a sense of historical perspective.

Then, you'll be able to kick butt even in crappy planes like Hurricanes, early LaGGs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



this from a guy who says he can bearly get a kill online in FB

he truly rubbishes anything that isnt German enough for him

a Troll

a german lovin Troll ..... the nationalistic Trolls are some of the dumbest

WUAF_Badsight
01-30-2004, 12:34 AM
oh i forgot .....

Stigler didnt even know about being able to toggle icons

so much for him being an expert

Future-
01-30-2004, 12:39 AM
Easy now, guys...

From what I know about the "Black Widow", it truely was not as significant as many other planes we already have in FB, but nonetheless I think it would be interesting.
Besides, FB lacks flyable multi-engine planes. If the "Black Widow" ever makes it to FB, be sure I'm among the first people to test-fly it.

And since it was a nightfighter, it might just make nightmissions more attractive.

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muffinstomp
01-30-2004, 02:06 AM
A question for you:

Which company built the P-61?

Those wings look Curtiss-like. The main concept seems to originate from the P-38 though.

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MustangWZI
01-30-2004, 03:27 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by A.K.Davis:
Planeater? He said he was going to do a P-61 after he finished the P40B/C, I believe.

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There's a P-40B/C in the works, man where's all this info coming from? This is the first I've heard.

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Tully__
01-30-2004, 03:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by muffinstomp:
A question for you:

Which company built the P-61?

Those wings look Curtiss-like. The main concept seems to originate from the P-38 though.

muffinstomp<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Northrop IIRC.

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ElAurens
01-30-2004, 05:27 AM
You are correct Tully. From the fertile mind of Jack Northrop, and lovingly assembled by Norcrafters...

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VW-IceFire
01-30-2004, 06:40 AM
Mustang...lots of images available in the Netwings development forum (its the public forum). There is a mostly completed LOD0 P-40B/C under construction. Texturing work has also commenced.

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yerpalal
01-30-2004, 07:46 AM
It would be easy to take Stiglr a little more seriously if he would read SOMETHING about the aircraft he is trashinig. I have no interest in it so my comment contains no hidden agenda, but as memory serves nearly 900 P-61s were deployed and served world wide for 2 years. There were relatively few produced because the numbers were adequae to the task at hand. It was inordinately fast and phenominally maneuverable especially for an aircraft its size and weight. It was later developed into a photo recon ship.

In short, it was a hell of an aircraft and not a historical footnote as he would have us believe.

Thank you Stiglr for providing a round of smiles for us yet again.

Obi_Kwiet
01-30-2004, 08:04 AM
Yes!!!!! Teh P-61 is awesome!!!! I can't wait! *does dance* http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cardinal25
01-30-2004, 08:54 AM
Sorry, El, but you should know me better than that. I do not troll.

The post was originally made buy a user I trusted on CWoS, turns out he is just another asshat.

There is no P-61 for FB. Not that I know of anyway.

Ghost what?

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Aaron_GT
01-30-2004, 08:58 AM
Due to lack of fighter opposition
(development was a little protracted, so there
was less fighter opposition when it turned
up than it was anticipated to face) it
was used more as a night intruder than as
a night fighter. It could carry rather a
large bomb load, and made a fast, light-medium
night bomber intruder, with very good
maneoverability. I have no problem with the
idea of getting an extra medium bomber.
The Mosquito would be nice as well, of course,
in at least NF.II, B.IV, and FB.VI configs.

XyZspineZyX
01-30-2004, 09:27 AM
Which two years, yerpalal?

I bet one of them is 1945, of which only 6 months had combat in them, mostly of the mopup variety.

My point is, the "relevant" planes are the ones that carried men and women into harms way in the grim early years, the middle stalemate years, etc. The Johnny-come-latelies and conversation pieces like P-63s, Pfeils, Meteors, Bearcats, Ta-152s and the like make for good conjecture, but the people who are so keen to fly them are just looking for a "sure-kill" panacea. As I said, there's still no substitute for learning how to do well with the planes that did the heavy lifting.

Also, "numbers produced" doesn't always mean all that much. In the case of the Eastern Front, the Russians had a LOT of P47s and a LOT of Spit IXs. But, these did NOT see a lot of combat action that mattered, for various political reasons (and the fact that the Russians were doing just fine with their own Ilyushins, Lavochkins and Yaks, thankyouverymuch).

But, if you persist with numbers, we'll begin to take them more seriously when they compare with 35,000 (!!!) 109s produced, the majority of which fought on all fronts from the Spanish Civil War until the time P-51s were orbiting the Reichstag. *THAT* is a relevant plane.

WUAF_Badsight
01-30-2004, 10:40 AM
yea & its German

havent seen you put one down yet , you jumped on the P-80 without mentioning the GO-229

guess these add-on planes aint "German" enough for you

JR_Greenhorn
01-30-2004, 10:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kyrule2:
...I remember some guy came here and took a poll as to what plane people wanted him to model. He chose the P-61 anyway, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I remember that too; I think it may have been Clay Pigeon. IIRC, he said it was one of his favourite planes.

Why do certain folks insist on comparing the P-61 to fighters? It was clearly not a conventional fighter by design or by mission. An aircraft of this type would broaden horizons in FB due to the different strengths and abilities it offers.
As for pilot skills, I takes a different type of skill to fly such as the P-61 competitively than it does to fly conventional fighters. Again, broadening horizons.

Boandlgramer
01-30-2004, 10:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Which two years, yerpalal?

I bet one of them is 1945, of which only 6 months had combat in them, mostly of the mopup variety.

My point is, the "relevant" planes are the ones that carried men and women into harms way in the grim early years, the middle stalemate years, etc. The Johnny-come-latelies and conversation pieces like P-63s, Pfeils, Meteors, Bearcats, Ta-152s and the like make for good conjecture, but the people who are so keen to fly them are just looking for a "sure-kill" panacea. As I said, there's still no substitute for learning how to do well with the planes that did the heavy lifting.

Also, "numbers produced" doesn't always mean all that much. In the case of the Eastern Front, the Russians had a LOT of P47s and a LOT of Spit IXs. But, these did NOT see a lot of combat action that mattered, for various political reasons (and the fact that the Russians were doing just fine with their own Ilyushins, Lavochkins and Yaks, thankyouverymuch).

But, if you persist with numbers, we'll begin to take them more seriously when they compare with 35,000 (!!!) 109s produced, the majority of which fought on all fronts from the Spanish Civil War until the time P-51s were orbiting the Reichstag. *THAT* is a relevant plane.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stiglr, you are too " german " for WUAF_Badsight, whatever that means http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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01-30-2004, 11:19 AM
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ElAurens
01-30-2004, 01:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cardinal25:
Sorry, El, but you should know me better than that. I do not troll.
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Apologies Cardinal. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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kyrule2
01-30-2004, 01:44 PM
JR_Greenhorn, yes it was Clay Pigeon that said he was doing the P-61. Thanks for remembering http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

I guess he dropped the project, who knows.

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Copperhead310th
01-30-2004, 04:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElAurens:
Cardinal...one of the better trolls I've seen in a while...

Stiglr, your lack of knowlege concerning the P61 is appaling...

and yes, I want to fly it in FB...__badly.__


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Plane eater is on the job. I personaly spent 3 days researching the info for the P-61. Plane says with the 8 meg file i sent him on the the widow he has more than enough to model the Black Widow. He'll begin as soon as the P-40B is complete. (not long now) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Copperhead310th
01-30-2004, 04:50 PM
Oh abought a month ago i posted a rather lenthy artical in the ORR on the Northop P-61 Black widow. If i could find it i'd repost it here & teach stigler some thing besides the 190 A super noob plane. I'm sure he could tell us all about that aircraft.

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crazyivan1970
01-30-2004, 04:55 PM
That is a fine looking plane, thing of beauty. I`ll buy a beer to anyone who models it!

Cardinal, brotha...i still cannot believe that "Ghost..what" got you on that one... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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faustnik
01-30-2004, 05:09 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
If i could find it i'd repost it here & teach stigler some thing besides the 190 A super noob plane.
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Nice statement Copperhead. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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x__CRASH__x
01-30-2004, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cardinal25:
Sorry, El, but you should know me better than that. I do not troll.

The post was originally made buy a user I trusted on CWoS, turns out he is just another asshat.

There is no P-61 for FB. Not that I know of anyway.

Ghost what?

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BWWAHAHAHAHA!!!

I almost pissed myself when I saw this thread! I had no idea he would bring it in here! There was no way I was going to post that on Ubi. Some people in this forum lack the necessary humor to brush something like that off.

On a serious note, if anyone ever did the P-61 and O.M. really did need help on what to do for the radar, I would be more than happy to help him! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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CCC402
01-30-2004, 07:49 PM
The last 2 kill of WW2 were scored by a P-61

"Maj. Lee Kendall tells the story of how his plane, Lady in the Dark, a P-61 night fighter, scored the final two victories of the war - just after the official ending of hostilities, but before word had gotten out to the Japanese. Many never-before-heard details of this event are brought to light. "
Thats out of Flight Journal magazine. I dont think that the story is online but I have the issue.

Regards CCC402

WUAF_Badsight
01-30-2004, 07:53 PM
last mission flowen in WW2 was done by Bristol Beaufighters over New Guinea

MiloMorai
01-30-2004, 09:04 PM
Did you know that when the 422cd NFS was ready to go into combat that 9th AF Command said the Mosquito was better for the job and would not allowed the P-61 to fly combat. A fly-off was held July 5 and the P-61 cleaned the Mosquito's clock.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif The P-61s went into combat 11 days later doing Anti-Diver missions.

For more info see the Fighter Evaluation Comp that the USAAF held in 1944 to see how well the P-61 could perform. In some categories it surpass dedicated single engine fighters like the P-47 and P-51.

There was at least 16 P-61 squadrons operational during WW2.

For a history of the P-61 see the Osprey Combat A/c #8.



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SkyChimp
01-30-2004, 09:45 PM
Milo, IIRC it was during the time period of that fly-off that some 422nd pilots turned in their wings over being told that they had to fly the Mosquito instead of the Black Widow.

Anyway, here is a little on that fly-off:
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Cardinal25
01-30-2004, 10:06 PM
Copperhead: I have read some dumb things on this forum, but that takes the cake. 190A = n00b plane? Ha!

Take Faust up on his offer, I'll post the track so that everyone can see him take you apart with out breaking a sweat. It'll be a clinic.

El: No problems bud.

Crash: I totally was not expecting that from you, I didn't trust it 100% and thus the confirmation post. I was really jazzed about the 61 and didn't look at your CWoS post thuroghly enough. Asshat.

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kyrule2
01-30-2004, 11:28 PM
It can't turn, it can't climb, you can't see out of the front of it, and the wings fall off if you look at them wrong. Yep, the FW-190A sounds like a noob plane to me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Like I said, I guess I'm missing something but there was a guy named Clay Pigeon that was doing the P-61 and he was posting updates on Netwings a long time ago. I think he dropped the project though.

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MustangWZI
01-31-2004, 03:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Mustang...lots of images available in the Netwings development forum (its the public forum). There is a mostly completed LOD0 P-40B/C under construction. Texturing work has also commenced.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the heads up, the forums are a little weird to get used to. B-24 project got my attention too. Thanks again.

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The day, my genious and brawn
Are lost on these fools
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FW190fan
01-31-2004, 05:52 AM
HaHa, FW190 a noob plane.

Someone's got that "not so fresh" feeling. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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p1ngu666
01-31-2004, 09:17 AM
n00b b nz plane? its probably the easiest b n z plane, certainly for the germans

A.K.Davis
01-31-2004, 10:26 AM
"easiest BnZ plane, certainly for the Germans."

Well since there are only two to choose from, I guess you can go with the FW. :P

--AKD

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GonzoX
01-31-2004, 11:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbhskier37:
I would look, but you need to register just to look, and I am way to lazy to register in that hole.

http://www.il2skins.com/?action=list&whereauthorid=lbhkilla&comefrom=display&ts=1049772896
"Only the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be." Adolf Galland

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Went there and found nothing except a small forum. Most of the links there are of the "under construction" type.

That Web page should not even be online yet as it has almost no content except a small forum with postings from a few individuals so do not waste your time.

No pictures of the P61 that I see either and even then there are only one or two first stage pictures out on other web pages. I doubt that we will ever really see the Widow in FB.

Hopefully we will see it in the Pacific add on but Im not holding my breath.

Copperhead310th
01-31-2004, 11:49 PM
OK so it seems i'm catching a lot of flak over a statemtn that i said off handidly about the Fw 190. It IS MY OPINION. it dosn't have to be fact as it is only an opinion. Opinions are rarly based on facts but on facts as an indivdual perseves them. So with that in mind i'll spell it out for you.

IMO the FW 190 is a nOOb plane.
IMO
Not a fact but an opinion.

Now for those of you who ...think that the FW-190 is not the easist plane to fly in FB....I highly recomend you flyb the p-47 for 1 week. & fly it against Late war german ac like the 190 A-9 & Dora & 109K4 & still keep the same stats you have in your favoright german plane.
Of course you'll have to get used to not being able to milk extra perfomance out of your plane by useing CEM....since the P-47 Doesn't have any CEM. (that was taken from us in patches. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)
Prop pitch is a Joke. No mixture control & No Manuel turbo Super charger. All Auto.
& of course you won't have the Shotgun blast of MK108's & big german guns either. Just red BB's with a messed up dispertion to shoot at hevily armored 190's. & you'll have to fight with planes that can out run you (190), out turn you(109), out clmb you (K4/Dora) , & out dive you(A-9).
I have flown the FW 190. All vertions. & IMO it is the easiest plane to fly. Piticularly the A-9. & with the Uber guns you don't need to aim just point & shoot. your shells don't even have to hit....just come close.(30meters)

But all of this is getting away from the P-61.
I love the P-61 & can't wait to have it in FB.
Too bad it's a US plane cause in this sim it will be modeled with the Areodynamics of a brick if it has the USAAF eblem on it.
(not claiming Bias...Just lack of knowlage in US aircraft.) if some of this is a little too tough for you to swallow Oh well. get over it.
I will speak my mind & voice my opinion here as long as i'm allowed too & as long as it is with in UBI's terms of service. If you don't like me beacause i'm an American or because i like Amreican Planes, or because i fly with a virtual USAAF squad in fb then that is your choice. & if that be the case then it's my choice to tell you to kiss my @.

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HellToupee
02-01-2004, 12:08 AM
just because you cant beat it in a p47, well you will find most planes will have no trouble out peforming and out manovering you.

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