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FI-Aflak
07-08-2004, 11:52 PM
A few questions. I know there is a carrier available (but you have to pay extra for it). I know you can do catapult launches. Does FS2004 reaslistically model landings? Will the deck pitch and whatnot?

And how good is the simulation for helicopters? Is it as good as fs 2004 is for aircraft? I think I might have to buy it . . once I upgrade.

FI-Aflak
07-08-2004, 11:52 PM
A few questions. I know there is a carrier available (but you have to pay extra for it). I know you can do catapult launches. Does FS2004 reaslistically model landings? Will the deck pitch and whatnot?

And how good is the simulation for helicopters? Is it as good as fs 2004 is for aircraft? I think I might have to buy it . . once I upgrade.

arcadeace
07-09-2004, 01:03 AM
I always thought there was at least one carrier available for free, I didn't hear of people paying but I could be mistaken. I think the helicopters are more fun than the planes. Some of the models require a lot of patience, especially when landing.

WTE_Galway
07-09-2004, 01:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by arcadeace:
I always thought there was at least one carrier available for free, I didn't hear of people paying but I could be mistaken. I think the helicopters are more fun than the planes. Some of the models require a lot of patience, especially when landing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

havent flown 2004 but in FS2002 the landing flare is very unrealistic .. in the default cessna the slightest excess back pressure has you nosing up at an outragous angle even at stall speed

hopefully 2004 is better but the landing behaviour of IL2 is pretty good compared to 2002

Weather_Man
07-09-2004, 02:56 AM
I've tried free WWII carrier addons. They are static...basically just really short landing strips above water. Really fun to try land on it with a 737 though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Black Sheep
07-09-2004, 05:20 AM
FS2004 is probably the best civil avaiation sim available if you are prepared to invest in it - either through payware addons or through searching out quality freeware items. The base simulation engine is pretty good but unfortunately the default aircraft just aren't up to the standard of available addons.

Have a look at www.flightsim.com (http://www.flightsim.com) and www.avsim.com (http://www.avsim.com) for pointers.

As for carrier landings, most aircraft modified to do this simply model extreme drag when the speedbrakes / spoilers are deployed to simulate the rapid decelleration of catching the wire; there is no native support for exotica like carriers I'm afraid.

As an example, the Bf110 in my sig is freeware; everything else in it is default.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ilsigs/Nachtjaeger.jpg

Apparath
07-09-2004, 05:23 AM
X-plane has the carrier landings included right out of the box. They are the best I've seen to date. You can even adjust the pitching by setting the wave size you want.

http://www.x-plane.com

There's been talk about the next patch (yes, there too) which should even allow airborne aicraft carriers...

S 8
07-09-2004, 06:09 AM
I found it to be real easy to land in that sim,though haven´t tried it on a carrier.I had harder times to land in this game (and that is not too hard)About Helicoters I found it to be not so good.I got a better helifeeling in BF 1942 mod Desert combat or Vietnam Med evac,but,of course,I have not flown any real one.One thing that put me off a bit is that zoom thing.Don´t really know what setting that´s most realistic in view point?

This is,though,my first FS sim that i bought,mostly for they dropped the price to half and got a bit curious on it.(What´s wrong with demos MS? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif)

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/113_1089291819_super3.jpg

[This message was edited by Superluminal on Fri July 09 2004 at 05:29 AM.]

Flightvector
07-09-2004, 01:02 PM
FS2004 is the worst sim for anything considering small aircraft or edge-of-envelope flight dynamics. It is not physics based, but rather table based, meaning it is pure interpolation of in-envelope flight values.

FS2004 does not simulate torque, slipstream, p-factor, or yawing tendencies. Helicopters do not get settling with power, are much too easy to fly (R22's are the twitchiest vehicles, but in FS2004 it is near Blackhawk-stable in dynamics). Spins are not possible unless they are programmed in. True crab crosswind landings are not possible due to rudder authority issues. The slip-skid ball in FS2004 seems to be based on bank angle and has no correlation to aileron deflection.

Conclusion? I like FS2004 and it is a great IFR trainer and works well for cross-country flying in-envelope. It works best for airliners and light GA aircraft. There are no special things and the code never changes. So the water does not simulate waves, aircraft carriers don't move. Tailhooks are often programmed as speed brakes or functions. Carriers will not pitch and sway for, I swear, many years. In FS2002, they had aircraft unchanged since FS98. FS2004 has some FS2000 aircraft as well, unchanged!! ATC is bad too, they just hand you off over and over, and say yes to whatever you ask.

If you need proof, trim a cessna out perfectly, and leave it for 4 hours, it will still be chugging in the same direction as if on autopilot!

With what you are looking for, you will be highly dissapointed. I use FS2004 to do airline operations (like a real procedure flight from New York to Florida) or cross-country VFR. Or traffic patterns and ILS approaches. Holding patterns. It is nice for eye-candy as well, but certainly not carrier ops or true helicopter dynamics.

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Stormer777
07-09-2004, 03:28 PM
Thanks poindexter

altstiff
07-09-2004, 06:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stormer777:
Thanks poindexter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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But seriously. I'm a big fan of IL-2 and the flight dynamics but I also love MSFS 2004 for the reason the previous poster stated. Lets face facts, flying on a computer will never be as realistic as in real life no matter how well things are coded.

It's like saying FS9 is a skate board, IL-2 is a bicycle and the real thing is a Ferrari......

See you in the fence....

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Riceball88
07-09-2004, 06:26 PM
I don't know if you know it or not , but if you fly past the golden gate bridge and that small island, there's a carrier that you can land on!

Cess_Wizard
07-09-2004, 06:50 PM
Not free but Abacus Carrier Ops

http://www.abacuspub.com/catalog/s548.htm

FI-Aflak
07-09-2004, 10:18 PM
X-plane looks like a winner, something I could drop 50 dollars on. I'll do some research. And PF too, when it

FI-Aflak
07-09-2004, 10:18 PM
X-plane looks like a winner, something I could drop 50 dollars on. I'll do some research. And PF too, when it comes out of

FI-Aflak
07-09-2004, 10:18 PM
X-plane looks like a winner, something I could drop 50 dollars on. I'll do some research. And PF too, when it comes out of course.