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LieutenantRex
05-31-2015, 03:59 AM
We know he blew up Fort George and condemned countless cabin boys and impressed sailors to watery graves, but can we acknowledge the fact that Connor may have well KNOWN that he was breaking a tenet when he climbed rooftops?

The guards on top of roofs in Assassin's Creed 3 are plentiful, and in many cases, they will have to die, and Connor probably killed them. These guards are militia, which implies that the roofs that they guard are... their own. On each roof is a door that presumably leads to the bowels of the home, and it's very likely that the male members of the households that Connor performs his freerunning tomfoolery upon are the very same who shout for him to get down.

But why so sensitive to a man frolicking about on a roof? I asked the same question you did, my friend, but then I considered that we are in the Animus, and that we control Connor, so our natural impulse is to run away from detection and strident criticism to our fun. However, the Connor of real, being the Braveheart that he was, most likely charged full on at these poor sons who lazed about on their family home's porch, scaring them and provoking drastic escalation of the situation, therefore justifying why these rooftop guards will attempt to shoot you should you fail to leave their property in the time customary to their sentiment concerning familial loyalties to traditional boundaries .

Connor is a murderer, and he probably had no qualms killing British servicemen aged 16-45, and many British regulars were fairly young. Radoonhagaydoon deserves a critical analysis and cross-examination to see whether his "You did not have to kill him!" assertions contradict his somewhat brutal killing animations.

VestigialLlama4
05-31-2015, 04:31 AM
We know he blew up Fort George and condemned countless cabin boys and impressed sailors to watery graves, but can we acknowledge the fact that Connor may have well KNOWN that he was breaking a tenet when he climbed rooftops?

There are many things to consider. The Shelling by the French was concentrated on the Fort. Besides if you recruited all the Assassins, they all show up in the tunnels with Connor and Lafayette just before the mission, so we can assume that they cleared the area and dialled back civilian casualties.

About the only times Connor can be considered guilty of attacking innocents is when he sinks a Man O'War, where there were many soldiers beneath deck and cabin boys but then that falls under "war" where you have to sink the other guy's ship if you want to win the Revolution.


The guards on top of roofs in Assassin's Creed 3 are plentiful, and in many cases, they will have to die, and Connor probably killed them. These guards are militia, which implies that the roofs that they guard are... their own. On each roof is a door that presumably leads to the bowels of the home, and it's very likely that the male members of the households that Connor performs his freerunning tomfoolery upon are the very same who shout for him to get down.

But why so sensitive to a man frolicking about on a roof? I asked the same question you did, my friend, but then I considered that we are in the Animus, and that we control Connor, so our natural impulse is to run away from detection and strident criticism to our fun. However, the Connor of real, being the Braveheart that he was, most likely charged full on at these poor sons who lazed about on their family home's porch, scaring them and provoking drastic escalation of the situation, therefore justifying why these rooftop guards will attempt to shoot you should you fail to leave their property in the time customary to their sentiment concerning familial loyalties to traditional boundaries .

Connor is a murderer, and he probably had no qualms killing British servicemen aged 16-45, and many British regulars were fairly young. Radoonhagaydoon deserves a critical analysis and cross-examination to see whether his "You did not have to kill him!" assertions contradict his somewhat brutal killing animations.

Look, that's always going to be an issue with Altair, Ezio and Edward and Arno. The only Assassin who was genuinely dodgy is Ezio who in Revelations started an unnecessary riot in which people did die and then later he explored gunpowder in Capadoccia which killed people in smoke and fire, and Ezio decided to simply run out of there and get back to Istanbul to save his gf.

In the case of Connor and the British Regulars, well it depends if you view soldiers and British servicemen as "innocent" from the point-of-view of Connor. Connor is a Native American, British soldiers are imperialist a--holes who are racists and the British Empire is a slaveowning empire too. So string up the "World's Smallest Violin" crying for the dead redcoats.

We had a big discussion on these forums a while back, but killing guards and soldiers is not the same as killing innocents, not in the medieval and early modern context. Even Edward Kenway as a pirate is attacking British slavers who enforce the slave trade and plunder, so nobody is "innocent" there.

HiddenKiller612
05-31-2015, 06:14 AM
You're pretty good at disguising your troll threads... props to you man.

I-Like-Pie45
05-31-2015, 06:16 AM
you know who also killed innocents

Gandhi

but nooooooooo you never hear anyone complaining about him.

pirate1802
05-31-2015, 06:16 AM
troll thread is a troll thread.

2/10

GunnerGalactico
05-31-2015, 10:11 AM
Looks like we got another piss poor troll thread. :rolleyes:

Hans684
05-31-2015, 11:29 AM
Who hasn't killed innocents? That's a harder question.

LieutenantRex
05-31-2015, 12:49 PM
There are many things to consider. The Shelling by the French was concentrated on the Fort. Besides if you recruited all the Assassins, they all show up in the tunnels with Connor and Lafayette just before the mission, so we can assume that they cleared the area and dialled back civilian casualties.

About the only times Connor can be considered guilty of attacking innocents is when he sinks a Man O'War, where there were many soldiers beneath deck and cabin boys but then that falls under "war" where you have to sink the other guy's ship if you want to win the Revolution.



Look, that's always going to be an issue with Altair, Ezio and Edward and Arno. The only Assassin who was genuinely dodgy is Ezio who in Revelations started an unnecessary riot in which people did die and then later he explored gunpowder in Capadoccia which killed people in smoke and fire, and Ezio decided to simply run out of there and get back to Istanbul to save his gf.

In the case of Connor and the British Regulars, well it depends if you view soldiers and British servicemen as "innocent" from the point-of-view of Connor. Connor is a Native American, British soldiers are imperialist a--holes who are racists and the British Empire is a slaveowning empire too. So string up the "World's Smallest Violin" crying for the dead redcoats.

We had a big discussion on these forums a while back, but killing guards and soldiers is not the same as killing innocents, not in the medieval and early modern context. Even Edward Kenway as a pirate is attacking British slavers who enforce the slave trade and plunder, so nobody is "innocent" there.

Frankly, with all the dead guards and soldiers that each Assassin protagonist adds to their bodycount, I'm surprised that none have been killed by a vengeful son or daughter. Would anyone blame them?