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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 12:49 PM
hi,
-reposting here rather than tech forum

started to fly online again but getting slaughtered by the above
whats the best axis Df to give me some chance, with a lot of practice obvivously
cheers

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 12:49 PM
hi,
-reposting here rather than tech forum

started to fly online again but getting slaughtered by the above
whats the best axis Df to give me some chance, with a lot of practice obvivously
cheers

Zayets
10-13-2003, 12:55 PM
Depends,some will say D-9 , some will say K-4. The best turning plane for axis IMHO are F4 and G2 , pretty good climb rates as well. But when it comes about the speed ... well , get a FW or the K-4. Be aware , you cannot turn fighting in those planes with the Yaks and La's.Instead climb - dive - attack , climb - dive -attack. Do not let yourself dragged into a turn fight. If you're on the deck , a veteran Yak/La will finish you in a matters of minutes. Stay high , don't come down unless you have too.
And yes , the best planes to knock downn Yaks and La's are ... Yak's and La's


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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 12:57 PM
FW-A9 is also a good choice.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:02 PM
FW190D9-1945. I assume you mean LA7, Yak3. FW190D9, 1944 and FW190A9 will also work, but not as well imho.

Many will come in here saying bf109K-4, but I think its options are too limited, its high speed handling is not to my liking and the plane is not tough enough. Oh, and overheating problems. Then again I don't fly late 109s, so what do I know.

Some will say to forget it, the Yaks LAs are unbeatable Uber. Ha, not even close. '45 Dora is entirely superior, A9 and 44 Dora are closer, but still slightly superior imho. Last time I flew the A9 it seemed to do quite well and I don't fly it hardly, so maybe it is an even better choice that the '44 Dora (especially against the LA7 which isn't quite so agile as the Yak).

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:21 PM
Think the BF108-G2 will do fine.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:24 PM
i concur

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:26 PM
I have always been a 109 man myself, it can accomplish more than many give it credit for if handled correctly. may sound strange, but I feel the F4 is the best version of the 109, as it can dogfight better than any later models, and the cannon doesn't have as much recoil. You have to put more into em, but once you damage them, its all over.

However, the best way to defeat those Russian planes, nevermind what you are flying, is using wingmen. Indeed, you can handle about any La-7 using good tactics, flying even something as old as an E-4.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:55 PM
He-111. I do it all the time online, sure, I get hit, but not downed. I do rather well.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:56 PM
With an F4 I can beat even RBJ in a La7http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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On the other hand, if you are very patient and you are willing to end the fight without someone wins (I mean that you will ONLY B&Z), then you may try latest FW's, but most probably you will want to dogfight and that will be the end. Same applies with Me262's. Unbeatable, but who is willing to fly it in such "boring" way?

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:57 PM
I have been playing of line for years, and tryed online about 10 times recently, on greetgren server always (best setings, no cockpit off, no enemy icons), the best plays of this game was when we all drive the same planes p11 or migs because of specific scenarios (great dogfights no vvs advantage), but in 1944-45, to stay alive you must stay high, watch for the little pixels below and yump on their back, othervise the pilots in ufos mig3 and la7 will stick to your rectum and you can only try to flee for minutes and minutes, i play only FB but i am disopointed with gameplay with ufos, even the rookies can score in tham so i dont see how can selfrespecting pilots even fly tham, look for servers with early years and you will enjoy

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 02:02 PM
i would say the FW-190A-9 and the 109F's and G6/AS. the 190A-9 seems to have more power and speed than the other 190's in my opinion. goodluck mate

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 02:14 PM
What about 109-F?
I enjoy flying the "Friedrich"

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 02:15 PM
Learn to fly the B-239 Buffalo. With the advantage of hight at your side, the Buffalo cleans up with that VVS stuff./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 02:46 PM
FW 190A-9 with 108's; you're not "dogfighting" so much as "ambushing" your prey, but when it comes down to it, that's really the only way to take out Yak-3's and La-7s using LW planes. Just make sure you're about a 1000m above your target, who is preferrably busy strafing an airfield, on a lengthy overland trek, or chasing someone, drop in behind him, and unload at about 100m...and if you miss, or the recoil throws off your shots enough that you don't down him, you climb and then try it again. Unless I'm being a dirty vulcher, almost all the kills I've gotten lately were in an A-9 this way, with very, very few deaths in return. LW planes, especially in the later years, just can't compete with Russian planes in any other way. If you're patient, make an attack run and then get outta there and climb until you're safe from retribution, you can rack up a ton of kills without dying all the time. Many turnfighter pilots have this crazy idea that kills have to come quickly and often, with ammo flying all over the place. For (effective) LW pilots, it's all about taking the time to set up your attack, and downing your target with short, controlled bursts at close range.
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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 03:30 PM
Ta-152H. When it's out. It's somehow like a D-9 with the ability to turn with the red stuff, and no MG 131s. but 1 MK 108, 90rpg. Less roll rate, but that's doesn't matter, it won't roll like the P-47D-27 does now /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif . Yep, turn with 'em. 17sec for a sustained 360? turn on the deck according to Oleg. That's 5sec better than FW-190D-9 or 109K-4 and 7sec better than 190A.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 03:32 PM
KIMURA wrote:
- Learn to fly the B-239 Buffalo. With the advantage
- of hight at your side, the Buffalo cleans up with
- that VVS stuff...

Yes,I agree. While not flying a VEF2 mission, and I´m DF for fun, that a/c is my choice. Spuperb turn rate, good fire power, and a lot (really a lot) of human pilots with faster a/c trying to stay in a one circle combat . Obviously they have not many chanceshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 03:46 PM
Defenately Brewster. Every second guy flying Yaks or Las can't switch of their habbit of taking a full bank and pulling the stick back, unfortunately Brewster eats them alive in this game. Only VVS fighter which you have to mind in this game is I-16 and I-153.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 05:43 PM
Defenitely have to wait for patch and the 152H, then you can dogfight.. but the time being i have found a plane that i havent gotten shot down yet at all by a LA7 YAK or the ubber 39... FW190F8.... it is heavy, tad bit slower and got as many nice guns, but the LA and Yaks can shoot at you all day and nothing happens... plus you get in close and hit them they will break, or if you find a untrained LA dude and climb up to 4k, dive at over 800kph and press F3 and see if they follow, if they do you will see wings fall off.. i had 2 newbies this weekend do that and both just fell out of the air and i got credit for it!! lol

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 05:53 PM
Sorry. Your screwed./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 05:59 PM
who is screwed?

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:04 PM
Fillmore wrote:
- FW190D9-1945. I assume you mean LA7, Yak3.
- FW190D9, 1944 and FW190A9 will also work, but not as
- well imho.
-
- Many will come in here saying bf109K-4, but I think
- its options are too limited, its high speed handling
- is not to my liking and the plane is not tough
- enough. Oh, and overheating problems. Then again I
- don't fly late 109s, so what do I know.
-
- Some will say to forget it, the Yaks LAs are
- unbeatable Uber. Ha, not even close. '45 Dora is
- entirely superior, A9 and 44 Dora are closer, but
- still slightly superior imho. Last time I flew the
- A9 it seemed to do quite well and I don't fly it
- hardly, so maybe it is an even better choice that
- the '44 Dora (especially against the LA7 which isn't
- quite so agile as the Yak).

Would you mind specifying where exactly the D9 '45 is so superior to the Yak3 or La7? What makes it better in a 1 vs 1?

Nic

Rew_
10-13-2003, 06:23 PM
BaneTheEvil wrote:
- I have been playing of line for years, and tryed
- online about 10 times recently, on greetgren server
- always (best setings, no cockpit off, no enemy
- icons), the best plays of this game was when we all
- drive the same planes p11 or migs because of
- specific scenarios (great dogfights no vvs
- advantage), but in 1944-45, to stay alive you must
- stay high, watch for the little pixels below and
- yump on their back, othervise the pilots in ufos
- mig3 and la7 will stick to your rectum and you can
- only try to flee for minutes and minutes, i play
- only FB but i am disopointed with gameplay with
- ufos, even the rookies can score in tham so i dont
- see how can selfrespecting pilots even fly tham,
- look for servers with early years and you will enjoy
-
-
-
-

Yep, the only real fun I ever have is on early war servers. I can't see why more people don't use them?

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:34 PM
basically the allied dudes gotta have the advantage of the overmodelled LA and Yaks and P39s... they cant compete with older migs, Laggs or hurricanes...

i would love to fly older Emils against them... but there are too scered

ZG77_Nagual
10-13-2003, 06:37 PM
190a9 - if you want to be even remotely fair - otherwise 262. If you want to have a bit more into the turning range - 109g6as

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:41 PM
Just for the record, that's "greatergreen" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I agree, I had the most fun in the early war missions: Finland, Poland, and USSR Civil War.

And yes, the Brewster currently seems to be the best low-level dogfighter, now that the I-16 has been "corrected" with the patch. Although a properly flown 109-F4 is a serious contender.


BaneTheEvil wrote:
- I have been playing of line for years, and tryed
- online about 10 times recently, on greetgren server
- always (best setings, no cockpit off, no enemy
- icons), the best plays of this game was when we all
- drive the same planes p11 or migs because of
- specific scenarios (great dogfights no vvs
- advantage), but in 1944-45, to stay alive you must
- stay high, watch for the little pixels below and
- yump on their back, othervise the pilots in ufos
- mig3 and la7 will stick to your rectum and you can
- only try to flee for minutes and minutes, i play
- only FB but i am disopointed with gameplay with
- ufos, even the rookies can score in tham so i dont
- see how can selfrespecting pilots even fly tham,
- look for servers with early years and you will enjoy
-
-
-
-



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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 06:53 PM
MGallun

You have a real attitude. Why don't you get involved with some of the online wars?

You will then have accurate early war plane sets, and get your butt handed to you.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:56 PM
salthill wrote:
- hi,
--reposting here rather than tech forum
-
- started to fly online again but getting slaughtered
- by the above
- whats the best axis Df to give me some chance, with
- a lot of practice obvivously
- cheers
-
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Buzz_25th wrote:
- Sorry. Your screwed. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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Like your instructive explanation Buzzy /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



But I'm afraid "B" is partly right here.

A fw190 or bf109 "newbe" has little or no chance against the later russian fighters especially not if it is against an ace.

what Im trying to say is that an average 109k4 ends up on the defensive against an average yak3 after the first pass.

Even an ace 109k that mets the ace yak3 will be on the defensive after the firs pass (speed difference and many other factors are marginal)

ofcourse everyone can have a few lucky bounces, but that dont happen very often.


This is only "my" opinion based on some years of flying this sim.
Im not an über ace, but in a yak3 I most probably will be the one doing the chasing even if i wouldnt succeed to shoot the axis fighter down. and the yak3 is a good B n Z:er too. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


what to do ?? Dont be a newbe axis on Greater green if statistics is important to u. Prepare to get shot down alot and be proud of the kills u get...... and remember everybody can have a lousy day ...or week, even the übers.


this wsnt much advice,...more opinions...anyway my favorite
planes are bf 109e -k and P39 and lately the p11 ( funny little thing! sadly they forgot the damage model in fb)


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If u against better judgement /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif still want to fly axis on GreaterGren ask if any 1 of the aces or average would have u trail along.....some ofcourse wont but some will. or just hang after someone until u meet the enemy.From there
its mostly every man for him self.

Personally, I brake of my own chase and drop my bombs (if any) to go and assist a friendly in trouble.... most of my kills is from these kinds of contacts...

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:03 PM
ob_swe wrote:
- This is only "my" opinion based on some years of
- flying this sim.
- Im not an über ace, but in a yak3 I most probably
- will be the one doing the chasing even if i wouldnt
- succeed to shoot the axis fighter down. and the yak3
- is a good B n Z:er too.

So true. And speaking of B&Z, the La 7 has a climbrate that is way superior to the Dora, about similar speed. The only major advantage of the Dora is in the dive cause the La series will break apart quite soon. Unfortunately, there is no maneouver crash in the game, so it is good defensively, but won't help you shoot down anyone.

IF a plane needs 1000 meters of alt advantage, I think it's an inferior plane, no matter what you say. Fly at 2000-3000 m with a Yak3 in a df room and you'll be the king of the sky.

Nic

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 07:04 PM
ob_swe

We said the same thing, but mine was the condensed version../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:21 PM
not sure how i got a bad attitude buzz... did i say something to hurt your feelings or what?

i mean, if i really wanted to i could jump in a 262, then wouldnt have nothing to worry about, but i want a challege.. knocking the allied punks out of the air with the 262 can get rather easy and boring lol, only hope they have of shooting it down is on takeoff and landing...





Message Edited on 10/13/0306:25PM by MGallun

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 07:26 PM
Mgallun said:

"basically the allied dudes gotta have the advantage of the overmodelled LA and Yaks and P39s... they cant compete with older migs, Laggs or hurricanes...

i would love to fly older Emils against them... but there are too scered "


I'd say that was a bit of an attitude towards anybody flying Russian.

Like I said. Enter some wars, and see if they're scared.


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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:28 PM
i have entered some wars... and although they are not scared, they just are not as effective without their over modelled yaks, las and 39s...

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 07:33 PM
Which wars? Under what name? On what squad?

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:48 PM
dont worry about where i fly, i dont need combative people like you knowing where iam... anyways, why are you so interested in the russian crap when you have 51 in you sig? you dont need them

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 07:57 PM
I'm an American. If I was like you. I'd call your planes German crap. I don't because I like all WW2 planes, and fly them all.

I think your just running your mouth with nothing backing it up. I'll give you an example. You said you went into a dive, and the Russian planes behind you broke up, and you got credit for the kill. Sorry, unless you have ammo in them.You don't get credit.

Another is you saying you flew in online wars, and won't give your squad or online name shows that you didn't.

Early Russian planes do just fine against the German planes when flown by good pilots. You picking off noobs on a HL DF server proves nothing. Nobody is scared of an ace like you.

If you stop calling people punks because of what they fly. You might get some respect. As of now. You won't get any.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:04 PM
ouch!

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:05 PM
LALALA, now i remeber why i dont post of these boards that much, too many know it alls who have to say something rude all the time... i dont need anyones respect on here, only from my Squadron... if your name is the same i will know who you are out there, heck, maybe i have shot you down before /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 08:09 PM
MGallun

You need to read your own posts. It's you who's rude, and insulting people.

Don't like this forum? Cya.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:14 PM
iam sorry if my opinnions offend people... if you dont like them dont read them

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 08:16 PM
Calling someone a punk is your opinion?

I have a better idea. Don't write them, and we won't have to read them.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:20 PM
another thing, this is a message board, dont take everything somebody posts to heart... its too easy to get people all worked up in here...

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 08:22 PM
You should quit while your behind. Just drop the insults, and you'll be fine.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:29 PM
behind? what? are we playing a game here and get points or something? LOL.. ok...

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 08:31 PM
Yeah, sort of. Even posting on a forum can be competition../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:42 PM
well damn, i gotta get 450 to catch up... uggghh

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:42 PM
Is that soooooooooooooooooo tricky to stay on topic without flaming each other??/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif



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Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 08:47 PM
The topic was answered. We went on to more important things../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:57 PM
I c./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:26 PM
is the P51 going to show up next patch? what about a P38???

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 09:59 PM
The P-51D will be in the next free patch. Hopefully this month. Then we get a payware addon sometime after the 1st of the year with a long list of planes, and some new maps like Normandy. Your P-38 will be in the Payware patch.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:06 PM
Take a Stuka, be sure to turn your gunner on. That will give them fits at ground level. The 20mm one will show up soon, going to be a real ace maker./i/smilies/16x16_robot-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:10 PM
ugggghh, P51s... now iam really not going to like this game... LA7s kill me low now i got a high roller going give me fits... sigh... i need TA

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:19 PM
Buzz is a knuckle-punk.


Lixma,

Blitzpig.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:19 PM
G-2 btw.


Lixma,

Blitzpig.

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 10:23 PM
Knuckle-punk? New word for the day pigler?

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:30 PM
That Russian crap shot lots of BFs and FWs off the air. I suggest you watch your language.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:31 PM
THat was reply to MGallun

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:33 PM
Lixma, go to the 'Questionnaire' thread and fill it out. Be brave. You haven't been too much more than a mystery spammer? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Inquiring minds, like me, really want to know...good buddy.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:35 PM
If you are not the tipical cannon totting arse, but quite the oposite, someone who likes to work for a kill, then give the 109 G2 a fair chance, and once you master it, there will be very few Yak ot LA pilots, who can avoid you sticking to they'r six like a leech.

From there on, its just a matter of good aim in deflection shots.
After all, it doesn't realy matter if you are on they'r six, if you can't take a good shot when you'r there.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:41 PM
Descant CCCP -- and those BF and FWs shot down just as many, but probably alot more too... but then again, maybe that russian stuff was just better, just means german pilots where a hell of alot better ...??

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 11:23 PM
I like the ME-109/z. Just watch your rpms

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 11:38 PM
in response to MGallun's post

basically the allied dudes gotta have the advantage of the overmodelled LA and Yaks and P39s... they cant compete with older migs, Laggs or hurricanes...

i would love to fly older Emils against them... but there are too scered



I'm not scared if you see me on the hyperlobby just
message me and we can do the emil against lagg,hurricane
or mig you choose the plane.
I hope your real good though because after a comment like that. I would love to post that you got beat in your emil by a hurricane than a lagg and finally a Mig. I never post here but I couldn't resist replying to that statement.


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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 11:46 PM
YAWN.... this topic is finished, no need to continue.. goodnight.

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 05:00 AM
jesus Buzz you jumped on that guy for no reason
saying his post was insulting , well it wasnt as bad as saying LW flyers are screwed - which is what you did

did ya wake up on the wrong side of the bed when you seen this thread

BTW if you are getting shot down in a DF in a BF doesnt mean its a bad DF plane

i know BF flyers that turn with LAs & Yaks

if you only fly the best turning planes you wont find more difficult to turn planes any fun

doesnt mean they are bad at DFing tho

look in the VEF & see how its swung against the LW , the early VVS are WAY more strong

if you want to kill in one pass the eaisest plane to do it is STILL the K4

the G2 & F4 are a match for anything apart from the slow as Rata & Chaika & Brewster & P-11

jeez you must be a super VVS fanboy to jump at someone like you did cause he typed what he did

BTW it wasnt that bad what he typed .... the VVS planes ARE overmoddeled

its a fact , you cant avoid that conclusion , it takes only a few sorties in same year planes to see it

Buzz_25th
10-14-2003, 06:56 AM
Badsight

Did you read all the posts? With your name. I wonder.

What I said was joking about being screwed. What he said was not, and was insulting to anybody flying Russian planes. Which btw is not me. I wasn't insulted at all. I was trying to tell him that others probably wre, and if you read all the posts. You'll see I was right. Anyway, once again if you read all the posts, you'll see we sort of came to an agreement. Others picked up on his insults, but I have nothing to do with that. Let me ask you if someone caled you a noob plane flying punk who's scared. Would you be insulted? That's what he said. I simply pointed it out in an effort to change his ways. He sounded like he listened and agreed.

You calling me a Russian fanboy is pretty funny. You really don't know me. My sig is your first clue.

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Zayets
10-14-2003, 07:10 AM
Buzz,
You have failed.all your base are belong to us.

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Buzz_25th
10-14-2003, 07:13 AM
Who is this buzz you speak of?

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 07:18 AM
I think he's the buzzcrow from "the king", but he was gay and liked sodomy so I'm not 100% sure /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 08:09 AM
Reffering to the original question:

They (all) are wrong. If enabled, the best Axis plane for DF VVS is by far the Me 262 A1.

If you fly it properly, the only chance for Yaks or Las is turn against you and attack head on. Even in these situations, you'll mostly get them with your four 30mm cannons.

Zayets
10-14-2003, 08:26 AM
Is your name buzz? If not , please step aside.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 08:46 AM
If your talking late war I dont really know but in early war the germans have a nice plane in the F4 it's the only one that gives me fit's.I mostly fly the p40 and have flown against it often it turns realy well and the cannon is a nice bonus.

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 09:45 AM
Just to clarify a little thing: BOTH SIDES OF BUZZ'S BED ARE WRONG!

Thanks you, you may now resume your whining/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Nic

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10-14-2003, 10:05 AM
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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 04:32 PM
MGallun wrote:
- Descant CCCP -- and those BF and FWs shot down just
- as many, but probably alot more too... but then
- again, maybe that russian stuff was just better,
- just means german pilots where a hell of alot better
- ...??
-
-

MGallun,

I don't wanna argue with you who were the best pilot during WWII. I just don't want anybody calling crap planes that my grandfathers flew to defend freedom.



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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 04:42 PM
Predator2811 wrote:
- Reffering to the original question:
-
- They (all) are wrong. If enabled, the best Axis
- plane for DF VVS is by far the Me 262 A1.
-
- If you fly it properly, the only chance for Yaks or
- Las is turn against you and attack head on. Even in
- these situations, you'll mostly get them with your
- four 30mm cannons.



You are new aren't you? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

And i don't mean to the community or to IL-2 itself either!

Maybe you should spend some time, actualy playing flight sims, my friend. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 05:15 PM
Dirk00001 wrote:
- FW 190A-9 with 108's; you're not "dogfighting" so
- much as "ambushing" your prey, but when it comes
- down to it, that's really the only way to take out
- Yak-3's and La-7s using LW planes. Just make sure
- you're about a 1000m above your target . . .

Dirk is completely correct. However, I'd add start "about 2000m above your target" just to be sure.

A few times, I've dropped in on P39s who were really hauling *** from around 1000m above, and they were surprisingly fast on the "turn and burn." The next thing ya know, I'm diving away to escape. Kind of odd considering I was going around 500 kph at the merge.

But hey, it's Oleg's world; we're all just tourists. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 03:50 AM
ok i read all his posts in this thread ( did b4 i posted the first time as well )

nowhere does he say " noob plane flying punk "

i also didnt see any insults either as in the swear word kind

just labbeled VVS as noobie planes

i seen you jump on the Hurricane is a noobie bandwagon , should i have called you out about that back then ?

have you even flowen the LA-7 ?

have you even fired the Yak 3 , I-16 , guns ?

try believeing what ever you want but the LW DM & Guns aint like the VVS

& yea i did call you a russian fanboy , your sticking up for them right here

we aint got no Mustang as of right now at the moment so what is your flying ??

BTW i fly in VEF as Axis but i DF in anything & 1v1 in teh LA or Yak or BF or P-39 mainly

Buzz_25th
10-15-2003, 04:07 AM
Real Badsight,

Your going to keep dragging this up I see. Even after the thread has died. Here's his quotes:

"basically the allied dudes gotta have the advantage of the overmodelled LA and Yaks and P39s... they cant compete with older migs, Laggs or hurricanes...

i would love to fly older Emils against them... but there are too scered"

"knocking the allied punks out of the air with the 262 can get rather easy and boring lol, only hope they have of shooting it down is on takeoff and landing..."

"why are you so interested in the russian crap"


Now drop it! You can't seem to follow the discussion. If you have a beef with me. PM me. This matter was over before you butting in.

Btw.I fly the P-47, P-40, and the Fw190


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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 07:07 AM
Thanks, my friend. Or father? Maybe it would suit better concerning your experience level?

Your suggestion was exactly what I needed desperately for a long time, really.

BTW, when discussing anything, I generally prefer to discuss the topic of discussion, not background of persons involved in the discussion.

Hope I made it clear, English is not my native language.



resev wrote:
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- You are new aren't you? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
-
- And i don't mean to the community or to IL-2 itself
- either!
-
- Maybe you should spend some time, actualy playing
- flight sims, my friend. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
-

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10-15-2003, 07:14 AM
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Buzz_25th
10-15-2003, 07:17 AM
Trying.

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 09:09 AM
salthill wrote:
- hi,
--reposting here rather than tech forum
-
- started to fly online again but getting slaughtered
- by the above
- whats the best axis Df to give me some chance, with
- a lot of practice obvivously
- cheers
-
-

Hi! As it has been stated earlier in this thread, it all depends on your tactics. You can manage well with fw and 109:s if you try use their advantages, and they are different with diff models. When I started online I mostly flew the russkies cause I couldnt handle anything but turnfighting. My advice is to try all diff types, dont get to be let down cause of beeing shot down, just keep trying and use diff tactics and you will learn to shoot down the VVS planes nomatter what your sitting in.... you will reconize a good pilot nomatter in a vvs or lw plane. Why stick to one side all the time anyway, variation is fun...
Btw when one starts flying online on servers with high real settings populated by good virt pilots, one has to get used to beeing shot down a lot, no matter which side your playing on....just keep trying, watch and learn.
There will always be someone better.....learn from them and you will become an ace!
Good luck , nightnight ( one of those lousy , learning pilots)

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 09:20 AM
Desant_CCCP wrote:

-
- I don't wanna argue with you who were the best pilot
- during WWII. I just don't want anybody calling crap
- planes that my grandfathers flew to defend freedom.

Isn't that a lil bit naiv? One criminal regime fought versus another criminal regime./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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