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Merkava_Mk4
06-18-2004, 08:08 PM
I can't wait to load the B-29 with a fat boy and grant General Patton's whishes. Hey Moscow, incoming!
I wish there was a middle east map too...I need to relieve some anger.

But seriously, will they model the fat boy?

Merkava_Mk4
06-18-2004, 08:08 PM
I can't wait to load the B-29 with a fat boy and grant General Patton's whishes. Hey Moscow, incoming!
I wish there was a middle east map too...I need to relieve some anger.

But seriously, will they model the fat boy?

necrobaron
06-18-2004, 08:43 PM
I'm all for historical accuracy but I'm doubting the nukes will be modelled. I personally would support it, but certain people would likely get offended if they were included. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Merkava_Mk4
06-18-2004, 08:55 PM
By "certain people" do you mean the ACLU, hippies, France, and other ragwash groups who get offended by the idea of America having a weapon that she can use for detterence for her survival? I didn't even know these people played this game (well the french can go play kiss my *** simulator).

necrobaron
06-18-2004, 10:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merkava_Mk4:
By "certain people" do you mean the ACLU, hippies, France, and other ragwash groups who get offended by the idea of America having a weapon that she can use for detterence for her survival? I didn't even know these people played this game (well the french can go play kiss my *** simulator).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe,you said it, not me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif But I also feel like the nuke won't be included for fear of alienating the Japanese market.

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WUAF_Badsight
06-19-2004, 12:12 AM
i dont think that replicating the Nuking of other countries is something that should be in the game

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RedDeth
06-19-2004, 02:05 PM
i take it back. ill support a flyable B-29 if they give it nukes. that would be awesome. most simmers are too pc.... that stands for panzy character ..... to do it

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Merkava_Mk4
06-19-2004, 04:57 PM
LMAO it's a small world. I always wondered what Michael Savage meant by PC people with empty suits now I know heheh.
Hey Badsight, I bet you supported the nazi symbol being in the game.

MEGILE
06-19-2004, 05:34 PM
Forget the politic bs, just think of the simple logistics... what kind of Graphics card could render an entire mushroom cloud...in any case why would you want to use it.. 1 drop and the game is over...
an ingame atomic bomb is just not a feesable idea.
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06-19-2004, 05:36 PM
FR's would be in the single digits.

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GT182
06-19-2004, 06:59 PM
I agree... the Atomic Bomb is a little too much for PF or any other game. I hope it's not put it in.

BUT, if it is, "Game Over - Reinstall". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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SkyChimp
06-19-2004, 07:20 PM
Well, I'm not PC and I don't support a-bombs in PF. We're already playing a game that simuylates killing people. Let's leave that out. It's too serious for a game.

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WUAF_Badsight
06-19-2004, 07:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merkava_Mk4:

Hey Badsight, I bet you supported the nazi symbol being in the game.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the Hakencross isnt a nuclear bomb

stupid comparison Merk

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Riceball88
06-19-2004, 08:29 PM
Now whats the difference between the a-bomb and the mistel??? the explosion on the mistel looks pretty darn big for me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Sakai9745
06-19-2004, 08:45 PM
I think the difference is why some people opt for not having it. Without any additional weapons added, the Mistel's warhead was approximately 8,000lbs (3,800kgs as noted on http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mantis/FW/mistel.htm). The explosive yield of the Hiroshima A-bomb was approx 20,000 tons or 5 times the Mistel's. There is no equivilant to A-bomb in any of the other countries' arsenals. As far as I'm aware, the A-bomb had the historically-unique ability to pick a battleship right out of the water and sent it crashing back down (USS Arkansas at Bikini Atoll).

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SkyChimp
06-19-2004, 08:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:

the Hakencross isnt a nuclear bomb

stupid comparison Merk

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If I'm not mistaken the hakencross killed more people than both a-bombs combined. But I digress.

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HomeboyWu
06-20-2004, 04:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Without any additional weapons added, the _Mistel's_ warhead was approximately 8,000lbs (3,800kgs as noted on http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mantis/FW/mistel.htm). The explosive yield of the Hiroshima A-bomb was approx 20,000 tons or 5 times the _Mistel's_. There is no equivilant to A-bomb in any of the other countries' arsenals.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You sure you got the numbers right? 20,000 tons vs 3,800 kgs is like five THOUSAND times. Where Mistel blows up a bridge, the A-bomb blows up a city!

WOLFMondo
06-20-2004, 05:40 AM
Nice model but I don't think we need a nuke in this game.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merkava_Mk4:
By "certain people" do you mean the ACLU, hippies, France, and other ragwash groups who get offended by the idea of America having a weapon that she can use for detterence for her survival? I didn't even know these people played this game (well the french can go play kiss my *** simulator).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whats France got to do with this?!?!?

Besides, which is the last nation in Nato that tested a Nuclear weapon? France.

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DarthBane_
06-20-2004, 05:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:

the Hakencross isnt a nuclear bomb

stupid comparison Merk

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If I'm not mistaken the hakencross killed more people than both a-bombs combined. But I digress.

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Few years a go sirens announced night american bombings in the city i live in, lasted few months, was devastating, should i have problem with american symbols? No. This is a game/sim. It should simulate everything that happened acurately, including a-bomb and symbols. In game its great, in rl ... but this isnt rl. I watched the bomb explosion and building crumble in my street. Most of you will never expirience that. Why should games be censured? Nobody gets hurt in game (not the case with the building i menshoned).

Bremspropeller
06-20-2004, 01:02 PM
@ Chimp:

Well, but the Hackenkreuz is just a symbol, abused by a criminal party that got the political power of Germany in 1933 - the following was the death of milions of people.
But the swastica's rather not responsible for that.

@ Wolf:

France is not integrated (at least not it's military forces) into the NATO (since 1964) anymore.
So the A-bombs of Mururoa weren't NATO-nukes at all.

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necrobaron
06-20-2004, 06:11 PM
The fact is, a bomb's a bomb. Bombs kill people. It's what they're designed to do. If someone doesn't want the two nukes of WWII in PF because they killed people, the same argument could be made against any bomb. Destructive power becomes moot. Countless non-nuclear bombs could've had the same effect on Hiroshima or Nagasaki, so should they be omitted as well? Of course not....

Don't get me wrong. I'm no war-monger and know full well the horrors of a nuke, but I hate to see history censored just because some see a particular bomb (or any other piece of destructive hardware) as "not nice".... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

With that said, I believe marketing worries and FPS issues may well prevent the nukes from being present in FB. Afterall, their use was decidedly limited. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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SkyChimp
06-20-2004, 07:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sakai9745:
I think the difference is why some people opt for not having it. Without any additional weapons added, the _Mistel's_ warhead was approximately 8,000lbs (3,800kgs as noted on http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mantis/FW/mistel.htm). The explosive yield of the Hiroshima A-bomb was approx 20,000 tons or 5 times the _Mistel's_. There is no equivilant to A-bomb in any of the other countries' arsenals. As far as I'm aware, the A-bomb had the historically-unique ability to pick a battleship right out of the water and sent it crashing back down (_USS Arkansas_ at Bikini Atoll).

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[This message was edited by Sakai9745 on Sat June 19 2004 at 08:24 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

20,000 tons is 20,000 x 2,000 lbs = 40,000,000 lbs.

That's 5,000 times the weight of the Mistel.

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Penguin_PFF
06-20-2004, 11:47 PM
Hiroshima was something like 14 kilotons. If the Mistel's yield was 3 kilotons, the Nazi leadership would have needed what... Five of them, maybe? One per beach?... To stop the invasion of France.

Politically there probably isn't any rational reason not to have the nuclear bomb in the game. The problem would be framerates and the fact that you could wipe out a massive area with one aircraft. While that might be great to end a world war, it would pretty much suck online.

I would be very surprised if it was in the game.

necrobaron
06-21-2004, 12:03 AM
I agree,frankly. If the nuke is included, 1C would have to omit it from online loadouts(or give the hosts that option) or else people are going to abuse it too much. If the nuke is in PF, it's better for it to be single-player only.

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