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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:56 AM
Yeah a lot of people say and say that the p39 is a good airplane in FB but i personali dont used because i dont know is missing something like speed very importaned
manuavelity.
this are mine word.

please put why do you think the p39 is a good airplane for you.

it may sound stupid but i would reali like why.
Thanks

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:56 AM
Yeah a lot of people say and say that the p39 is a good airplane in FB but i personali dont used because i dont know is missing something like speed very importaned
manuavelity.
this are mine word.

please put why do you think the p39 is a good airplane for you.

it may sound stupid but i would reali like why.
Thanks

"Peace is an option...."

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 04:03 AM
Two words:

Big Freakin Guns

She also flies nice in the vertical, maintains her E fairly well wlthough her turns need a little help.

But...you get to a furball after it gets started and you can zoom through kicking butt and taking names.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 04:08 AM
The P-39 is good because at lower altitudes, it gives the 109s a pant load of fits. It turns tighter and accelerates faster. It takes a good amount of damage, is a sturdy gun platform, and packs a huge frickin cannon. Even with the doors, it had pretty good visibility.

Maybe thats a few of the reasons the Russians used them so well.

Keep the fight under 10,000ft, like almost ALL the furballs in FB, and the P-39 can compete. Get higher and get dead.

If it was missing anything, it would have been a supercharger.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 04:35 AM
I'm just glad the lowered the spin-out occurance on ALL P-39's since IL-2 orginal /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 05:51 AM
Use rudder with your turns on the P-39, and you'll turn inside an La7.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 06:13 AM
I started flying the P-39 'cause it was such a finicky bi<r>tch, I stopped flying her when she got too good.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 08:25 AM
HeavyDelta wrote:
- I started flying the P-39 'cause it was such a
- finicky bi<r>tch, I stopped flying her when she got
- too good.
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True, it lost part of its charm when they eased the stall-charestics.

Together with its poor vissibility, I don't fly it so often anymore.

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michapma
06-30-2003, 09:35 AM
I wish they'd kept the stall characteristics too, I miss all that cursing.

Buzz, how do you use the rudder in the tight turns? (I assume you mean knife-edge?)

Mike

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 09:47 AM
michapma wrote:
- I wish they'd kept the stall characteristics too, I
- miss all that cursing.
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- Buzz, how do you use the rudder in the tight turns?
- (I assume you mean knife-edge?)
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- Mike

Small left or right alieron, hard rudder left or right, slight pull back on stick to opposite direction of turn. This move has me inside of 109's and 190's down low everytime. As I pull up into perfect deflection shot position, I can usually hear the enemy pilot saying how F### did he do that! Whine lag cheater! hehe BOOM /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 10:17 AM
P-39 is a great plane.. 1 shot 1 kill, excellent roll rate, very maneuverable and doesn't really limit you as a pilot because it can do so many things so well.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 12:11 PM
That thing out turns a YAK 3 but like you said little low on speed



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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:32 PM
Whait until we will get its bigger
brother the P-63 KingCobra
I think this plane will be brutal
against everything in the game.

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fluke39
06-30-2003, 01:38 PM
i never use to fly the p39 - i just couldn't fly it well enough due to the easy stalls

now the fact it doesn't stall as much combined with it's guns and that 37mm cannon makes it a killing - machine ! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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michapma
06-30-2003, 02:52 PM
UCLANUPE wrote:
- Small left or right alieron, hard rudder left or
- right, slight pull back on stick to opposite
- direction of turn. This move has me inside of 109's
- and 190's down low everytime. As I pull up into

Sorry, I don't quite follow you. Let's say that from level flight you want to turn left to get out from in front of a bandit, or to get onto a bandit's six. You mean you will give a small amount of left aileron, a hard rudder left (large sudden amount of left rudder), and a small amount of backpressure? (What does "pull back on stick to opposite irection of turn" mean?)

I will try it out, but a track would be quite useful.

Thanks,
Mike

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ZG77_Nagual
06-30-2003, 03:10 PM
P39 is a monster - competes well with the best of the russian dogfighter. The key to the 39 is managing speed - it has wonderful aerodynamics but not much raw power. it will turn with almost anything, has an excellent roll, great rudder response and very good energy retention. It will gain speed quickly in a shallow dive and the n1 was very good guns. It cannot be flown as recklessly as the las and yaks but it is a very effective dogfighter.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:28 PM
Juego wrote:
- please put why do you think the p39 is a good
- airplane for you.
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1. the funny big cannon. (you can shoot any thing down with a single "BoP")

2. good visibility forward + front/up and up.(better than any german plane.)

3. good turn.(better than german planes)

4. easy to land when damaged.(better than german planes)

5. Its more of a sport to fly against axis planes(more equal= funnier dogfights) u have a chance to get shot down
in a p39. (in a Yak3 u dont have a worry in the world)
And some times german planes even have a chance(small)to
escape.I like that.

6. after the BF 109 I like the p39 most

7. You can even have a bomb with u.

8. when most fly Yak3 and La7 I fly p39 or p47...just to be anoying! he! he!

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 05:41 PM
The only thing that can out turn me is a Yak 3. Hows that for manuverability? Typically on the first pass, I will fill a Yak 3 with 1/2 inch holes to even the playing field http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 05:58 PM
Why I like the P-39 (I fly mostly the Q-10, so my comments pertain to this variant).

Very nimble & maneuverable. Nice for doing those aerobatics when not in combat.

Good engine power (acceleration)

Good low speed handling.

Easy take-offs + landings.

Good forward visibility, good ground handling, tricycle landing gear.

Good instrument panel layout.

Good armament.

Good combat survivability (probably because the engine is not in front).

Good crash-landing survivability- If you happen to come home with big holes in your wing, part of your gear missing, or just have a mishap while doing aerobatics, this plane (at least in this sim), doesn't explode as soon as it makes contact with the ground. You can slam it down pretty hard and still walk away.



It's not all good, there are a few things I don't like about the P39:

Poor side visibility.

Gunsight reticle too bright (it was ok in IL2, but too bright in FB).

Cockpit night lighting (I never liked the red flood)

Oh, and one more - not enough 37mms http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:33 AM
P-39 eh?
I love the N1 - my plane of choice online. Here's why:

1. Firepower - those 30 cals are the best weapons in the game to tag a 109. Once a 109 is tagged, hes a flying target /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

2. Manoeuverability - Its pretty hard to out turn a P-39...A Yak-3 might manage, or an I-15/16, but other than that you rule the turn fights.

3. Energy Retention
4. Cockpit layout - everything is cool for full real, which is how I play most of the time. Easy to see.

5. Visibility - pretty good. Doesnt compare to a Yak or La but you can still see dead behind with wide view and a kick of the rudder.



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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:50 AM
- Sorry, I don't quite follow you. Let's say that from
- level flight you want to turn left to get out from
- in front of a bandit, or to get onto a bandit's six.
- You mean you will give a small amount of left
- aileron, a hard rudder left (large sudden amount of
- left rudder), and a small amount of backpressure?
- (What does "pull back on stick to opposite irection
- of turn" mean?)
-
- I will try it out, but a track would be quite
- useful.
-
- Thanks,
- Mike

Opps, I should have been clearer about my description. This is a move I use when I am on the bogey's 6 and he tries to get away by out turning me. Which is a bad move against the P-39 down low!

Pulling the stick back some in this kind of snap turn allows you a slightly better controlled plane when you move out of the turn and into firing position.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 03:03 AM
All the P-39 is missing is .......hey !! It has everything...everything to be competitive anyway.... Using CEM, flaps, trim, rudder and proper throttle management and consideration for the attitude of the plane.....where it is vs where you want it to be.... you can do almost anything with this plane. Now I know it is different online..... I cant stand those lag stalls and crashes...but offline this plane is awesome...and online as long as you can avoid the afforementioned pitfalls..she's is a Tigress....

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 03:38 AM
michapma

Lets say your in a left turn. You have it banked over, and pulling the elevator for all it's worth, but you still can't get inside that La7. Give it left rudder, and you'll see it start to turn tighter. It will want to drop the nose because of the rudder, so you'll have to give a little right aileron. This is putting alot of drag on the plane, so you don't want to hold it to long. It can help bring your guns on the target though.



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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 04:04 AM
Juego wrote:
- very importaned manuavelity.
- this are mine word.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 04:10 AM
The main thing the P-39 is missing is the flight model it had in the final-patched IL-2. Some of us are really really hoping the alleged patch will bring it back because the FB "kinder, gentler" version is boring as hell.

It is also missing the self-sealing tanks which the original had; a couple of rounds of rifle-caliber machine gun fire at 500m will set it to leaking like the Titanic and often cause a fire. This error however was present in the Il-2 model as well. I notice the P-40 has it too. Evidently Oleg does not believe American planes had self-sealing tanks. So this is not a P-39 flaw as such.

Otherwise, flying the P-39 is like playing an Ovation or drinking Cajun coffee or listening to Tom Waits. If you're one of those who do, you don't have to ask yourself why; and if you're not, if you've tried it and it didn't do anything for you, then you're probably never going to understand why others feel the way they do.

I don't say that as putting anybody down. I just mean it's one of those personal taste things that can't really be explained in 100% rational terms.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 09:02 AM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- The only thing that can out turn me is a Yak 3.
- Hows that for manuverability? Typically on the
- first pass, I will fill a Yak 3 with 1/2 inch holes
- to even the playing field /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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(cough) I-153 (cough)

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 10:55 PM
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only person to notice the tendency of the 39's fuel tanks in FB to leak at the first and lightest hit. Sort of makes you wonder how it could have been used in a ground attack mode with such weak tanks as displayed.

I think the Tom Waits response is the true philosophy behind the average 39 driver in FB

"there is no spoon"

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 10:04 PM
A: Peace is not an optition you f*** upd hippie.
B: The P-39 is very fast level. A tatic I use if I am caught between a rock and a hard place is pushing it to 110% and running!

ps. Its 37mm, two .50s, and four .30s more than make up for any of its shortcomings.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 10:23 PM
Juego wrote:
- Yeah a lot of people say and say that the p39 is a
- good airplane in FB but i personali dont used
- because i dont know is missing something like speed
- very importaned
- manuavelity.
- this are mine word.


Are you stoned?
The P-39 has speed and maneuverability.
If you were expecting I-16 maneuverability with Me-262 speed then yeah I guess you should brace for a disappointment.
The P-39 is not the best at many points in the game but in the right man's hands she's a beautiful dancer.



Juego wrote:
- please put why do you think the p39 is a good
- airplane for you.
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-
- it may sound stupid but i would reali like why.
- Thanks


I started flying the P-39 one-week after I bought the original IL-2 and have been flying her since.
What's special to me about the P-39 is she demands respect.
You have to dance together or you'll both trip (see lawn dart).
That's true with most planes but it's emphasized with her.
The combination of all her assets makes her a very dangerous girl in the right hands.
The 37mm cannon is a sniper rifle on steroids; if you learn to use it you can own your 12 position.



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- "Peace is an option...."


How many times would you say the above statement if I punched you in the nose for each time you said it?




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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 08:03 AM
Lol. I dont consider the I-153, Hurricane or I-16 a valid threat. Just target practice. B&Z baby.

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