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evey999
04-04-2004, 01:01 PM
Someone should mention it!!

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evey999
04-04-2004, 01:01 PM
Someone should mention it!!

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rpkiller
04-04-2004, 01:06 PM
yup, surely a new sim using an updated IL2 engine is the perfect opportunity to fix this time-old bugbear.

rp

CHDT
04-04-2004, 01:26 PM
Not only the size of the muzzle flashes, but also the ueber-ugly green and yellow reflects of the flame.

For me, Strike Fighters has very fine muzzle flashes, rather transparent, with accurate colors. And also with a very correct rendition of the gun smoke behind the aircraft.

Cheers,

necrobaron
04-04-2004, 01:48 PM
I'm wondering this too. PF would be a great opportunity to rectify this little problem.

"Not all who wander are lost."

evey999
04-04-2004, 04:14 PM
A warm little glow near the end of the barrels would do nicely.

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Fennec_P
04-04-2004, 04:29 PM
Killing the yellow cockpit flood light would be a good start. Its wreaking havoc with my epilepsy...

Dash_C.
04-04-2004, 04:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fennec_P:
Killing the yellow cockpit flood light would be a good start. Its wreaking havoc with my epilepsy...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen to that. Have you tried shooting the guns on a Bf-110 with the twin MG151 pod? It's like a rave is going on in the pit!

JG7_Rall
04-04-2004, 05:00 PM
I already posted this but it got lost because no one replied. I consider it a bug because its so wrong that its just an error in the game. They should be teeny tiny little flames if flames at all in PF, and no illumination of the cockpit should be present. Who's got that sig of the Bf 110's cockpit being lit up? I love that :P

S!

Hutch

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eleanori
04-04-2004, 08:25 PM
I'd like to see the AAA smoke trails calmed down while we're at it.

CHDT
04-05-2004, 03:14 AM
"I'd like to see the AAA smoke trails calmed down while we're at it."

Right, never seen smoke trails on my 20mm!

Cheers,

rpkiller
04-06-2004, 01:03 PM
bump!
any chance of an official response?????

MetalG.
04-06-2004, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'd like to see the AAA smoke trails calmed down while we're at it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree, they look kinda silly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Also I haven't seen them on any WWII pics I've seen so far.. were such tracers ever used?

DuxCorvan
04-06-2004, 04:57 PM
Amen to that! No more Flash Gordon's ray-o-death in FB, please. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

CHDT
04-07-2004, 02:48 AM
Here's a good pic showing how much large should be accurate muzzleflashes at night:

http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/16105/p39-3.jpg

and at day, they should have of course the same size, but with a lot of transparency added. Also with smoke BEHIND the aircraft when firing!

Cheers,

MajBlunder
04-12-2004, 03:32 PM
I would be willing to trade the current muzzle flash for a toned down version with smoke trailing from the weapons when fired.

Or aleast an option to set the amount of muzzle flash.

BarkhornXX
04-12-2004, 03:48 PM
Hello;

I'm new to this Board - this is my first post.

Don't take this the wrong way guys but - from what I've read regarding this project - I doubt that changes to the effects are on the radar screen as Luthier and Co. have enough on their plate w/ all of the new a/c, ships, maps, missions etc.

I could be wrong - but I doubt it.

Regards,
Barkhorn.

heywooood
04-12-2004, 03:59 PM
Ok - I'm picturing our vaunted programmers hard at work.. hour after long hour taking only a few short breaks to (among other things) look at these boards for diversion. And they have this hat.. so they go to the board and they see
"muzzle flash" OR "cockpit bars" OR "Flight model(P47-like)" OR "campaign / gameplay sucks change it".. and there is a big cheer around the room and everyone puts a dollar in the hat(not advocating gambling,it's just a hatfull of money).. and the day that PF is released the tension goes up because whoever has chosen the item to be cried about first in the forums wins the hat. Not only that - but it must be fun to read all the different variations on the same themes over and over, whilst working their arses off.

[This message was edited by heywooood on Mon April 12 2004 at 07:00 PM.]

[This message was edited by heywooood on Mon April 12 2004 at 07:01 PM.]

PlaneEater
04-14-2004, 02:51 AM
You know, it's not really that they're too huge...

They're too pointy. They've got lots of little spikes coming out of them. They're this pumpkin orange and nuclear yellow and they've got more sharp points than a BDSM toy.

Real muzzle flares are much more soft-edged, and the colors are far less saturated (acutally, they're really bright, and thus washed out).

Even if they only change the shape and the color, it will look a LOT better.

rpkiller
04-14-2004, 11:43 AM
Agreed planeater, as I once mentioned in a post over at the IL-2 General Discussion post, I once had a strange bug in the game where the flashes only appeared white, and didn't cause any weird lighting effects. This made tracking an enemy whilst shooting MUCH easier and looked MUCH more realistic. Someone else reported (backed up with screenies) a bug where no muzzle flashes appeared at all.

Anyway, any improvement to the dreaded muzzle flashes would be terrific - and well worth the programming time IMHO.

regards

rp

VW-IceFire
04-14-2004, 12:26 PM
Those "ugly" green, yellow, and red tracers were used.

Read this one about the SB2C Helldiver and one of its pilots experiences:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Bob Barnes experiences during the Leyte Gulf battle:

On Oct 24 half of our Air Group was launched on a long range search for the Southern Force. The leader was the VB-20 CO CDR R. E. Riera and I flew in his division. Extra fuel tanks were hung under the wings of the Helldivers. We had 12 dive bombers, and about the same number of torpedo planes from VT-20 and fighter cover from VF-20.

We found the southern group. What a sight! 2 battleships accompanied by several cruisers and destroyers. Something you dream about as dive bomber pilot. After this information was radioed back to our carrier we started our attack. The dive bombers start from about 12000 feet and dove straight down, the torpedo planes came in lower and the fighters strafed. The anti-aircraft was terrific. Instead of the usual red, it was all colors. Apparently each ship had different colors to track their shells. We damaged both battleships with bomb hits. The VF-20 CO CDR Fred Bakutis was shot down and landed his plane in the water. One of our VB-20 planes dropped him a larger raft. He drifted for 7 days before being picked up by a US submarine. The fleet battles were so intense there was no time to try to rescue him.

In the afternoon our second wave of planes from VB-20 was launched against the middle Japanese Task Group consisting of the super battleship Musashi. Many air groups pounded this naval force all day and the Musashi was eventually sunk.

The next morning Oct 25, l944 we were launched before daylight with 12 VB-20 Helldivers with CDR Riera leading the group of VF and VT aircraft. I was again in the CO's Division of the first 6 aircraft. Once airborne we learned of our destination, the Northern Japanese Task Group. We heard a search plane over this Japanese Force describe 4 carriers with cruiser and destroyer escorts, heard the words "Carriers are turning into the wind to their launch aircraft." This was going to be even bigger than the day before. As it became light and we approached the Japanese, what a sight. It looked like the whole Japanese Navy and this was our target. As Air Groups from other US Carriers were arriving also, the target coordinator assigned VB-20, VT-20 and VF-20 one of the Japanese carriers, the Zuikaku, to attack. Once again our Helldivers peeled off one at a time from 12000 feet and dived straight down on the Zuikaku. Numerous bomb hits were scored.

The AA was the most intense I have ever seen with all ships firing everything they had at our aircraft. After releasing our bomb we pulled out as low as we could near the water to avoid the AA. This meant flying out of the middle of the enemy ships, while every ship you flew by was shooting at you. Believe me the sky was solid red with AA. Continued attacks by other Air Groups during the day eventually finished the Japanese carriers. After our attack we rendevoused outside the Japanese Task Force and headed for the Enterprise. I got a direct bomb hit on the battleship the first day Oct 24 and a bomb hit on the Japanese carrier on the mission Oct 25. Our squadron had many rough days but those two days were without a doubt the worst days of combat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Halfway down you'll notice the bit about each battleship having its own tracer color. Thats wild...

Point being...those ugly tracers if used should be relatively the right color.

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DuxCorvan
04-14-2004, 01:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Those "ugly" green, yellow, and red tracers were used.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, but tracers are not the problem. They're more or less correct. The trouble is that a hideous and ridiculous comic-like flame appears in the muzzle of each gun, every time you pull the trigger, which is visible from kilometers even on a sunny daylight, breaking all immersion and sense of realism. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

We all know that real guns don't show this way when fired, but they may be the work of Oleg's favourite brother-in-law, so it seems they're untouchable for ever and ever. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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rpkiller
04-21-2004, 01:03 AM
realise this is getting a bit tiresome...

still, any chance of a yay or nay and i'll be on my way. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

rp

luthier1
04-21-2004, 01:12 AM
The official answer is "seven"

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evey999
04-21-2004, 01:39 AM
Wahoooo!!! "Seven"!!!


Hoorah

ImpStarDuece
04-21-2004, 02:13 AM
That the maker for that.

At least it wasn't "forty two", then we might be in some real trouble.

Ahh, yes barkeep...... another Pan-galactic Gargle Blaster for me and one for my towel here as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Vengeanze
04-21-2004, 05:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
The official answer is "seven"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm concerned over luthier's health.
Recently his lvl of ironicy has increased to a disturbing height. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

/Ven

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- Oleg Maddox

VF-2_John_Banks
04-21-2004, 09:50 AM
I hope to see smoke when fireing the .50 cals and other weapons. IL2 and FB don't simulate gun smoke at all, which looks very arcadish. Even CFS2 had them (with a custom mod though).
Another bug are is the tracer smoke. Ever nocticed that the tracer smoke always stays in the same position? No matter if you are on the ground or doing 400mph, the tracer smoke is stuck right at the barrel and you can't fly through your own tracer smoke, which is silly as well. They need to fix that too. It seems that the tracer smoke is somehow attached to the plane.

Obi_Kwiet
04-21-2004, 02:55 PM
What do you mean by "seven"? Please what ever you do dont' tell us that it will be fixed in a patch that will be releaced in the next two weeks!

rpkiller
05-27-2004, 12:41 PM
time to re-awaken this sleeping behemoth?
lets see if it sinks, swims or floats http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
otherwise, we can just play pooh-stickshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

rp

DuxCorvan
07-10-2004, 05:52 AM
Fix the muzzle flashes in PF!

Fix them!

Now!

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Penguin_PFF
07-10-2004, 07:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Fix the muzzle flashes in PF!

Fix them!

Now!

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DuxCorvan
07-10-2004, 08:47 AM
Grrrrrr! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

heywooood
07-10-2004, 09:34 AM
so...Penguin loves the muzzle flash... ?



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"Check your guns"

Snootles
07-11-2004, 11:54 PM
You know, I hate those big pointless pictures. They make me have to scroll horizontally just to read each post.

Anyway, would be veddy nice to tone the flash and the tracer smoke down a little. Besides making the visuals more realistic and making it much easier to use planes with nose cannons, having less muzzle flash and AAA tracer smoke might really be helpful for the framerate in big battles. Can you imagine how many CPU cycles it would suck to put a line of tracer smoke on each one of the superheavy battleships' 120-plus AA guns? Yeesh.