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FR-KarTanK
05-26-2015, 08:32 PM
Hi everyone!! With the help of my friends Territory8, Guunners and a few other French players, we tried to do a subjective classification of all the Frontier tracks sorted by difficulty.
We used the same difficulties than those of the console the Trials games to sort the tracks. So there are 5 difficulties: beginner, easy, medium, hard, extreme. We've sorted the tracks for each Tier of tracks.

To find easily the tracks, we've also sorted the tracks like this:
- Story tracks
- Slot machine tracks
- ANBA tracks
- Halloween tracks
- Bunker tracks
- Winter tracks

An other indicator that helped us to sort the tracks is the time gap between rank 1 and rank 20 for example.

- The 3 exclusive Bunker tracks are not included because we don't know to which Tier they belong, but we all think that they are easy tracks.

- The tracks are written in English and in French (some French people didn't have a good English and needed a translation).

The main objective of this topic is to get your opinion, to know if you agree or disagree and what you would change.



Here is our classification:

[TRIALS FRONTIER : 147 TRACKS]
__________________________________________________ ____________________
TIER 1 :
[63 TRACKS]
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Beginner :
[7 TRACKS]
- Three Bridges / Trois ponts
- Cave Entrance / Entrée grotte
- The Cave / Grotte
- Market Street / Rue commerçante
- Underground Slopes / Pentes souterraines
- Abandoned Mine / Mines désaffectée
- Walrus Road / Route des morses
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Easy :
[11 TRACKS]
- Pike Alley / Rue du pic
- The Aqueduct / Aqueduc
- Rocky Desert / Désert rocheux
- Moonlight Towers / Tours lunaires
- Smuggler Tunnel / Tunnel contrebandier
- Parched Cliff / Falaise désséchée
- Night Life / Vie nocturne
- The Lift / Élévateur
- Cannon Ridge / Crête du canon
- Hinged Pathway / Sentier articulé
- Pumpkin Patch / Champ de citrouilles
----------------------------------------
Medium :
[31 TRACKS]
- Rocky Road / Sentier rocailleux
- Cave Dweller / Troglodyte
- Road to Ruin / Sentier de perdition
- Rock Wall / Paroi rocheuse
- Urban Jungle / Jungle Urbaine
- The Arches / Arches
- Pipeline Camp / Champ d'oléoducs
- Sunset Dungeon / Donjon du couchant
- Well Park / Parc de la source
- Barrel Chase / Course de tonneaux
- Dust Bowl / Canyon poussière
- Fire Oasis / Oasis de feu
- City Outskirts / Orée de la ville
- Rooftops / Toitures
- Diamond Dash / Courses aux diamants
- Flooded Highway / Autoroute inondée
- Backyard Catwalk / Chemin de traverse
- Wolf Den / Tanière des loups
- Steeple Run / Course clochers
- Flower Hills / Colline fleurie
- Buggy Track / Piste de Buggy
- Serpent Slough / Bourbier
- Doom Drop / Chute fatale
- Unstable Tunnel / Tunnel instable
- Processing Center / Centre de traitement
- Cave Crossing / Traversée de la grotte
- Forbidden Path / Passage interdit
- Snowman Haven / Havre des bonhommes de neige
- Frostmoore / Valgelé
- Container Grounds / Aire des conteneurs
- Icy Foothills / Contreforts verglacés
----------------------------------------
Hard :
[9 TRACKS]
- Fault Village / Village de la faille
- Casino Rooftop / Toit du casino
- Stilted Path / Passage étriqué
- Flaming Freeway / Autoroute ardente
- Castle Crashed / Château en ruines
- The Waterwheel / Roue à aubes
- Frog Village / Village des grenouilles
- Frozen Facility / Complexe gelé
- Squall Slide / Pente venteuse
----------------------------------------
Extreme :
[5 TRACKS]
- Rafinery Abyss / Abysse de la raffinerie
- Rotten Railway / Rails pourrissants
- Melancholy Temple / Temple de la mélancolie
- Daredevil Paradise / Paradis du casse-cou
- Alpha Street / Rue alpha


__________________________________________________ ____________________
TIER 2 :
[51 TRACKS]
----------------------------------------
Beginner :
[1 TRACK]
- Deadwood Valley / Vallée Morteterre
----------------------------------------
Easy :
[9 TRACKS]
- Pipe Bassin / Bassin aux tuyaux
- Burning Bushes / Buissons ardents
- The Beamery / Scierie
- Burnyard / Feux de joie
- Old City Wall / Mur d'enceinte
- Bouncy Hills / Collines ondoyantes
- Steam Quarter / Centre à vapeur
- Penguin Landing / Aire aux pingouins
- Delivery Line / Ligne de livraison
----------------------------------------
Medium :
[26 TRACKS]
- Lost Playground / Terrain jeu perdu
- Wood Switch City / Ville de bois
- Risky Rooftops / Toit du péril
- Crane Peak / Pic de la grue
- Ghost Town / Ville fantôme
- Planks and Mozzies / Échafaudages
- The Trebuchet / Trébuchet
- Fort Ruins / Ruines du fort
- Wall Crack / Fissure
- Tree Houses / Maisons suspendues
- Lookout Point / Routes paysagères
- The Mill / Usine
- Spinner's Alley / Allée de la roue
- Coal Town / Ville du charbon
- Logging Camp / Camp de bûcherons
- Drifter Valley / Vallée des vagabonds
- The Purifier / Purificateur
- Marsh Edge / Orée du bayou
- Mushroom Heights / Crête aux champignons
- Terror Tower / Tour de la terreur
- Crystal Kingdom / Royaume de cristal
- Smelting Pots / Chaudrons
- Nightmare Grotto / Grotte cauchemardesque
- Explosive Storage / Dépôt d'explosifs
- Ice Blockade / Blocus de glace
- Snowball Ride / Montée des boules de neige
----------------------------------------
Hard :
[13 TRACKS]
- Arch Ruins / Arche en ruine
- Coaster Canyon / Montagnes russes
- Buzzsaw Paradise / Paradis de la scie
- Trapeze Churn / Trapèzes
- Garbage Route / Routes aux ordures
- Cracked Plateau / Plateau fissuré
- Cannon End / Extrémité du canon
- Great Wall / Mur colossal
- Mud Cakes / Bain de boue
- Firefly Landing / Aire des lucioles
- Haunted Hallows / Reliques hantées
- Sledridge Gorge / Gorge de lugeon
- Chopping District / Zone d'abattage
----------------------------------------
Extreme :
[2 TRACKS]
- Balance Avenue / Avenue de l'équilibre
- Hilltop Ghetto / Ghetto Colline

__________________________________________________ ____________________
TIER 3 :
[33 TRACKS]
----------------------------------------
Beginner :
[0 TRACK]

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Easy :
[5 TRACKS]
- Lazy Catapult / Catapulte
- Crane Yard / Chantier
- Sewage Treatment / Station d'épuration
- Drop Zone / Zone de largage
- Icebound Hamlet / Hameau givré
----------------------------------------
Medium :
[12 TRACKS]
- Desert Gondola / Gondole du désert
- Sunshine District / Quartier du soleil
- Fang Wall / Mur piquant
- Lumber Yard / Dépôt de bois
- Trash Tops / Monceaux d'ordures
- Elephant Graveyard / Cimetière d'éléphants
- The Tanktops / Sommet réservoirs
- Troll Lair / Antre du troll
- Monster Lake / Lacs aux monstres
- Minecart Dump / Aire de déchargement
- Wrecked Tracks / Rails brisés
- The Shaft / Puits
----------------------------------------
Hard :
[11 TRACKS]
- The Pendulum/ Pendule
- Canary Street / Rue du canari
- The Watchers / Observateurs
- Trojan Giraffe / Girafe de troie
- The Stacks / Monticules
- Cracked Reservoir / Réservoir fissuré
- The Rafinery / Raffinerie
- The Grindhouse / Village du péril
- Toad Hole / Trou aux crapauds
- Waste Disposal / Décharge
- Frosty Plumbing / Canalisations gelées
----------------------------------------
Extreme :
[5 TRACKS]
- Dark Machine / Machine obscure
- The Quagmire / Tourbière
- Traction Testground / Zone de Test
- Permafrost Climb / Permagel
- Chilled Cliffs / Falaises transies


We've spent a lot of time to do this so we'd appreciate to get a lot of opinions and comments about this.
Thanks a lot!

weee99
05-26-2015, 08:39 PM
Hi I'd like to help think about this, but I have some questions about your rating . Is the rating about difficult to pass, difficult to get platinum, or difficult to make a perfect run toward a high rank (maybe top 100 on leaderboard)?

(I don't play console trials, so I don't know how tracks are rated on there)

Edit: I think the Quagmire must be harder than Traction Testground. They have very similar skill sets but Quagmire has the addition of the big jump that I think sets it apart in terms of difficulty.

IT-davideG
05-26-2015, 09:33 PM
nice job! ;)

Roger-_-Lee
05-26-2015, 11:03 PM
awesome!!! :D


Is the rating about difficult to pass, difficult to get platinum, or difficult to make a perfect run toward a high rank (maybe top 100 on leaderboard)?
i have the same question.
for example,
Pipe Bassin is in EASY, but timesaver is difficult (skipping the big gap at the end of track), and the difference between WR and 20th is about 2s.
Arch Ruins is in HARD, but the timesaver is easier (compared with Pipe Bassin), and the difference between WR and 20th is less than 1s.

platium time 0:21.200 for Pipe Bassin, and 0:20.500 for Arch Ruins.
without timesaver, i think it's even easier to plat on Arch Ruins than Pipe Bassin.

but if i'm a beginner, maybe Arch Ruins looks harder than Pipe Bassin for me, it just looks scary. ;)

xitooner
05-26-2015, 11:59 PM
Beginner/Easy/Medium are so subjective/subtle I wouldnt comment about them.... but if you have good way to classify them thats wonderful!


An other indicator that helped us to sort the tracks is the time gap between rank 1 and rank 20 for example.

And ones with large differences are considered harder I assume? Interesting idea. The problem overall there (to me) is that this seems to be more of a "How much is Kartank/GtDave better than everyone else" meter more than anything else. :)

Are there other indicators you tried? Did you try sorting by percentage of users who have made Plat, or something like that? Of course, you would need to know the Plat scores and I find the current lists for that a little inaccurate sometimes....(ex Arch Ruins)

What you have is really good, IMO, but to provide some input based on how hard they were for me, here are the changes I would consider:

Not really extremes to me
- Rotten Railway (Hard, sure. But how good you hit one timesaver doesnt make it extreme, IMO. Maybe I am missing something?).
- Great Wall (I guess so... it seemed hard but not extreme... maybe its Plat time is difficult to hit?)
- Dark Machine (hard not extreme; having no checkpoint makes it seem harder than it is)

Hards that dont seem hard to me (if you can get Plat with decent driving and no timesavers, its not hard)
Troll Lair
The Tanktops



Arch Ruins is in HARD, but the timesaver is easier (compared with Pipe Bassin), and the difference between WR and 20th is less than 1s.
platium time 0:21.200 for Pipe Bassin, and 0:20.500 for Arch Ruins.

The only reason I didnt mention Arch Ruins as not being "hard" is because you pretty much need the timesaver to make Plat. That was my definition of "Hard". Because Plat isnt 20.5 like the guide says... its lower (I think I got 18.5+ without the timesaver and got Gold).

GR-Argy
05-27-2015, 12:13 AM
i disagree that "The great wall" is "extreme" and "the grindhouse" for me belongs to "Medium" cause platinum is 24.000 sec and you can easily do under 18.000 , but 24.000 seconds is ridiculously slow time for platinum, for me they should have 24.000 gold and 19.500 platinum on grindhouse...also trapeze churn for me is not "medium" but "hard" if you include both timesavers in the track....last one frog village is "medium" for me and not "hard"

FR-KarTanK
05-27-2015, 12:37 AM
@weee99, you said almost all the answers to your questions !! :D

In fact, the two most important elements are : the global difficulty of the obstacles of the track, and the time of the platinum medal to do.


@Roger-_-Lee, i understand waht do you want to show, but i dont think think taht you right.
First, the platinum medal for arch ruins is around 16 or 17 seconds, not 20.5.. :D
It means that we need to do the timesaver to have the platinum medal or do an epic awesome run without the timesaver to have platinum medal.

Secondly, on a lot of tracks, a minority of people use different road, cut, that all the people but it doesn't means that the difficulty of the track up.
For example, look at " three bridges ". Some people make a back wheel on the end, this manipulation is very difficult !!
Nevertheless the track is from beginner because we not necessarily need that to have platinum and obstacles are very simple.


@xitooner, you dont understant what i wanted to say.. I 'm just saying that for almost all the track, more the differences are important, more tracks are likely to be difficult.

My personal opinion on the tracks that you mentionned :
- Rotten railway, agree with you, the platinum medal time is large.
- Great wall, definitely extreme track. The time to have the platinum medal is short.
- Dark Machine, this track is very particular because it has no CP. For this reason, we are obliged to assess the difficulty of the track.
But yeah, If you add the CP, the track is medium/hard level. :)
- Troll lair, for me, this track can't be with others medium tracks even if the the platinum time is large.
- The tanktops, maybe medium yeah ;)


I wait more reactions to change maybe the tracks.


rewind you :Its not my personnal ranking even though i'm globally agree with it. :)

FR-KarTanK
05-27-2015, 12:39 AM
I note what you say, and I speak as soon as possible with the other French players , thank you for giving me your opinions.

xitooner
05-27-2015, 12:59 AM
My personal opinion on the tracks that you mentionned :
- Rotten railway, agree with you, the platinum medal time is large.
- Great wall, definitely extreme track. The time to have the platinum medal is short.
- Dark Machine, this track is very particular because it has no CP. For this reason, we are obliged to assess the difficulty of the track.
But yeah, If you add the CP, the track is medium/hard level. :)
- Troll lair, for me, this track can't be with others medium tracks even if the the platinum time is large.
- The tanktops, maybe medium yeah ;)

That all works for me (the Dark Machine ending is particularly tricky and I really wasnt accounting for that I think). But I have to say that I farmed Troll Lair for Nuts+Gems so many times I think I have literally made Plat on that one in my sleep a few times. :) But my global ranking on it sucks so I am no great judge beyond that. :)

Good job, and thanks for listening!

FR-KarTanK
05-27-2015, 01:20 AM
A lot of french players have an experience with Trials Console, that's why we have had the idea to create this thread. :)

I know that a lot of people who play at Frontier never play on Console, and that's why it is very important to have their opinions about what they think about difficulty of the tracks. ;)

Thanks everybody. :D

Ch4er0n
05-27-2015, 02:10 AM
burnyard i would have put in easy, its got a pretty simple line

probably would have put buzzsaw paradise in extreme, and great wall in hard, im surprised you put it in extreme, didnt seem that hard to me :P

i dont think lazy catapult is beginner, when compared to the cave, its obviously much harder, easy is fine tho

i would put cracked reservoir in hard for sure, its climbs are too much for medium

nice list!

justinman114
05-27-2015, 03:11 AM
Great idea KarTanK and other French dudes! I will add my input here, as I disagree with a few of these. It's worth noting that these are only my opinions on how I feel about the tracks, and I will take shortcuts and platinums into account as well.

Tier 1:

Waterwheel: You put medium, I would say hard due to all the BS.
Frog Village: You put hard, I would say medium. Nothing too difficult here.
Melancholy Temple: You put extreme, I would say hard. It's long, but nothing really extremely hard about this track. The beginning is a pain but it's the beginning.

Tier 2:

Purifier: You put easy, I would bump this up to medium. It's a pretty straight forward track but there are a few areas that are more than "easy".
Great Wall: You put extreme, this one is definitely hard for me, not extreme. The plat time is tight, but the track isn't that bad (except for the inherent game speed issues it causes me).

Tier 3:

The Watchers: You put medium, I would put hard for sure on this one. This track is filled with so much BS, I don't even know where to start.
Cracked Reservoir: You put medium, I put this in hard as well. Lot of precise riding needed on the second half of this track.
Troll Lair: You put hard, I'd put medium. This track really isn't bad at all.
Tanktops: You put hard, again I'd put medium. Kind of a longer track but nothing too hard here.

There are some other ones that are borderline but I won't mention them as I would put them in-between easy/medium or medium/hard or hard/extreme for varying factors. Just my two cents! Hope this helps.

Roger-_-Lee
05-27-2015, 05:15 AM
@KarTanK @xitooner, sorry for using the wrong data :p
anyway, KarTanK's second part answered my question. so i think most part of the classification explains.
and i agree with justinman114's adjustment except The Watchers and Cracked Reservoir.

btw, Alpha Street is extreme now, so the previous platium time for Alpha Street must be extra extreme. just kidding ;)

flooodi-TFG
05-27-2015, 08:35 AM
Nice list!

I'm in the same line with justinman114's list, plus one extra:
The Drop Zone should be easy, there isn't really any medium part on it. Ups and downs, just like in "sine city" maybe just one backflip needed.

Rjscfo
05-27-2015, 08:44 AM
This is a super idea . This might be perhaps paste the Trackmap of Dutscher with you?

lesorsier
05-27-2015, 11:20 AM
hello everybody,

Nice idea and nice list. Maybe is out of topic, but the list I really would be interested to see is shortcut/time sever list for each track.

Easy - Hard is pretty much individual thing. I had much more problem to get plat on daredevil paradise then great wall. Dark Machine should remain extreme because of ending. See the invisible platform looks extreme to me. The Purifier is more then easy, medium maybe. Cracked Reservoir, The Stacks and Monster Lake are more then medium. The Tanktops, Troll Lair and Crashed Castle is not so hard.

Edit: I forgot, data cubes collect difficulty is also interested. Some of them was really tricky for me. (maybe because of low upgraded bikes at the time)

xitooner
05-27-2015, 04:55 PM
@KarTanK @xitooner, sorry for using the wrong data :p

Not a problem. :) The only reason I knew it was wrong was because I looked it up too for my donkey, and was surprised it didnt match my run results. :)

dutscher-DE
05-28-2015, 02:51 PM
very very good list. When I started with the map and even when i look over i missed this thing. a classification. and i saw this on the trials.fr page http://trials.fr/tracklist-fusion-xbox360 :)


This is a super idea . This might be perhaps paste the Trackmap of Dutscher with you?

oh yes i thought about the same. but the list isnt finished right? if we integrate this we need new colors like a ski route. blue for beginners and black for extreme :D

@kartank: can i integrate this on the map. and how could we make this editable?

cheers dutscher

FR-KarTanK
05-28-2015, 10:47 PM
Hey everyone !! :D

Thanks you all for your reactions and feedbacks : Ch4er0n, justinman114, flooodi, maikkruppatz, lesorsier, dutscher_sbf. ;)

@dutscher_sbf, a lot of players discuss on " Trials.fr ", it's a french website for all the " Trials games " ( me too :) ).

The list isn't finish because there are still changes, modifications made ​​. So I expect to see some reactions about the list.
I would change this weekend by taking into account all that has been said here and on " Trials.fr " . :)

Of course, when we will think that the list will be ready, we can associate your topic mine to form a super topic !! haha :D

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FR-KarTanK
06-08-2015, 09:27 PM
Up.

Hello everyone.

Sorry it took longer than expected.
Here is the summary of all that has been said here and the changes :


Tier 1 :
The waterwheel : hard
Daredevil paradise : extreme

Tier 2 :
Burnyard : easy
The purifier : medium
Trapeze Churn : hard
Great Wall : hard
Buzzsaw Paradise : extreme

Tier 3 :
Lazy Catapult : easy
Drop Zone : easy
Troll Lair : medium
The Tanktops : medium
The Watchers : hard
The Stacks : hard
Cracked Reservoir : hard

It is still possible to everyone to propose changes , I still give 15 days to be able to show you because Dutscher would like to associate her card to the list.
Thank you !! :D

GR-Argy
06-09-2015, 12:58 AM
Up.

Hello everyone.

Sorry it took longer than expected.
Here is the summary of all that has been said here and the changes :


Tier 1 :
The waterwheel : hard
Daredevil paradise : extreme

Tier 2 :
Burnyard : easy
The purifier : medium
Trapeze Churn : hard
Great Wall : hard
Buzzsaw Paradise : extreme

Tier 3 :
Lazy Catapult : easy
Drop Zone : easy
Troll Lair : medium
The Tanktops : medium
The Watchers : hard
The Stacks : hard
Cracked Reservoir : hard

It is still possible to everyone to propose changes , I still give 15 days to be able to show you because Dutscher would like to associate her card to the list.
Thank you !! :D

yeah much better now i agree with everything except "Buzzsaw Paradise" that definitely belongs to the "garbage route" category

justinman114
06-09-2015, 01:04 AM
I like all the amendments, but I agree, Buzzsaw Paradise isn't an extreme track, it's hard. Good stuff either way though, I'm glad you are still working on this!

weee99
06-09-2015, 01:32 AM
I agree that buzzsaw paradise can be in the hard category. All of the other ones seemed like good changes to me too.

FR-KarTanK
06-30-2015, 08:25 AM
Up.

There are no others claims and the tracks are definely classified.

Dutscher, i wait you to include the thread on your trackmap.

Maybe it's too interesting to put the thread in " the guides of topic trials frontier " ??!!

flooodi-TFG
06-30-2015, 10:10 AM
Maybe it's too interesting to put the thread in " the guides of topic trials frontier " ??!!

Intresting enough if you ask me. Updated it there ;)

FR-KarTanK
07-04-2015, 10:58 AM
Intresting enough if you ask me. Updated it there ;)

Oops, I just realized that I haven't used the right word..

I wanted to say " it is also interesting ", not " it's too interesting " xd !! :D :D

It was an involuntary " prententiousness ". Sorry. :D

Thanks flooodi. :)

flooodi-TFG
10-13-2015, 10:13 AM
Is it time to update the tracklist with the new tracks, we got so many new: Agents, Challenge Pack 2 and Rodeo...

Agent Tracks (4)

Tier 1
Forgotten Factory

Tier 2
Rocks Off
Barren Steps
Villainous Hideout


Challenge Track Pack 2 (6)

Tier 2
Fatality Lane
Girder Precinct
Stuntman Plaza
Rite Passage
Merchandise Stash
Grease Transit

Rodeo Missions(7)

Tier 1
Crow Nest
Vagrant Camp
Tribal Homestead

Tier 2
Gem Quarry
Amusement Pit
Toxin Harvest

Tier 3
The Big Swing

IT-ElioC
01-15-2016, 04:06 PM
Up! This need to be updated with last track pack and all event tracks. :)

flooodi-TFG
05-24-2016, 05:59 AM
How about an update after the new Metal Mayhem?