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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 04:54 PM
I had a few questions I asked before but they dropped to passed threads.


109 K-4 temp gauges? Is it the second gauge from top on right side the OIL TEMP or WATER?

Ref: War Planes of the 3rd Reich. K-4 cockpit layout?

http://www.bf109.com/ ( <a href=)" target=_blank>http://www.bf109.com/</a>frameset.htm/" target=_blank>http://www.bf109.com/frameset.htm/</a>


Oleg wrote:

"With this text info I will even more smile than over La-7 text....

Regarding K4, just one this line "the 109K had a powerful Daimler-Benz DB 605 engine which could be boosted to over 2000hp with nitrous oxide injection" killed me!

K-4 never had NO2 injection! Please read view object for K-4 in FB... There is much more correct info for this plane. And please DB-65DCM and other D variants that was installed on this plane had build in MW-50 device that injected Water+Metanol mix, but not nitrous oxide (NO2)!

No time to show the other non-competent places of these texts..."

Copy that it didn`t have (No2)

Question: You say it has DB65DCM engine ok which K-4 type and engine do we have in FB ( in object viewer ) it list 109 K-4 KURFURST 1944.

http://frhewww.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~jaensch/109/s109k.htm

http://www.bf109.com/

Ref: War Planes Of 3rd Reich.

All 3 ref`s list K-4 speed as 607kph at S/L with the same engine you have listed above DB 65DCM?

Last should the ata on same aircraft change from---
0.92 ata with MW50 (OFF)-
to 1.26 ata with MW50 (ON)-

Went engine is at idle throttle on the ground at zero speed?

Thank you for your time.




Sry link to bf109.com you have to put in manually.

Message Edited on 09/16/03 04:00PM by Cooler07

Message Edited on 09/16/0304:03PM by Cooler07

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 04:54 PM
I had a few questions I asked before but they dropped to passed threads.


109 K-4 temp gauges? Is it the second gauge from top on right side the OIL TEMP or WATER?

Ref: War Planes of the 3rd Reich. K-4 cockpit layout?

http://www.bf109.com/ ( <a href=)" target=_blank>http://www.bf109.com/</a>frameset.htm/" target=_blank>http://www.bf109.com/frameset.htm/</a>


Oleg wrote:

"With this text info I will even more smile than over La-7 text....

Regarding K4, just one this line "the 109K had a powerful Daimler-Benz DB 605 engine which could be boosted to over 2000hp with nitrous oxide injection" killed me!

K-4 never had NO2 injection! Please read view object for K-4 in FB... There is much more correct info for this plane. And please DB-65DCM and other D variants that was installed on this plane had build in MW-50 device that injected Water+Metanol mix, but not nitrous oxide (NO2)!

No time to show the other non-competent places of these texts..."

Copy that it didn`t have (No2)

Question: You say it has DB65DCM engine ok which K-4 type and engine do we have in FB ( in object viewer ) it list 109 K-4 KURFURST 1944.

http://frhewww.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~jaensch/109/s109k.htm

http://www.bf109.com/

Ref: War Planes Of 3rd Reich.

All 3 ref`s list K-4 speed as 607kph at S/L with the same engine you have listed above DB 65DCM?

Last should the ata on same aircraft change from---
0.92 ata with MW50 (OFF)-
to 1.26 ata with MW50 (ON)-

Went engine is at idle throttle on the ground at zero speed?

Thank you for your time.




Sry link to bf109.com you have to put in manually.

Message Edited on 09/16/03 04:00PM by Cooler07

Message Edited on 09/16/0304:03PM by Cooler07

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:27 PM
lift-off----

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 10:23 PM
*Bap*

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 01:35 AM
Top one is water, lower oil. If the lower one was water, the boiling point is slightly above 100C and you'd loose all your coolant long before you ever got the overheat message. Man, things sure run hot in Russia, don't they, outrageous high temps on these engines at cruise speeds.

Also don't know why these things boil over right at 100C, were they running straight water in them? Weren't they pressurized and sealed systems set a bit above atmospheric level to, like a normal system?

Rookie mistakes.

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 03:59 AM
They have to be pressurized. As altitude goes up boiling point goes down. Boil an egg a 2000m alt in the mountains, it takes more minutes.

Water in the cooling system? Oh no! Not just water! Depending on season the mix varies. If only water in winter then the engines would crack when parked. In high lattitudes back in those days there would be more alcohol than water. I look at a site on this and see that 53.1% ethanol/water will freeze at -40C while 41% methanol/water will freeze at the same temperature. In my original home county, people back then mixed over 50% methanol (wood alcohol, the grain was for other uses and much more expensive) to protect to -50F and possibly worse. I learned this from my father who was around then and before. Alcohol in large % in water will boil much cooler, around 80C depending on the alcohol type. So maybe the guage in the sim is not so far off? If the system were sealed tight then the radiator might blow so there must be a relief valve and the temperature/pressure can only get so high before there is release that should also act to slightly cool the system adiabatically (spelling! no.. I got it right by chance!).


Neal

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 05:33 AM
Thank You All for confirming this, that the lower gauge is oil temp.( never did get an answer from the man on it).

Now if you jump in your 109 K-4 and T/O climb out manual prop or auto doesn`t matter just get it to the overheat warning and then look at the gauges.

You will see the lower gauge at peak temp (OIL TEMP GAUGE)!
and the upper 1 at about half. (WATER TEMP) !

Ok so this is not a big deal except for fact that Oleg claims that his data on modeling aircraft in FB is right ON, and that all other data is incorrect or a bad site for info.

You can see the same results in FB 1.0,1.1b,1.11.

I`m not trying to bash the guy but really if ppl come up here with 1,2 or 3 places that show the data that is used in FB for some aircraft is incorrect or a little off, and all we get back is (you is wrong) or (nothing at all) then what does that do for a person`s belief in a product.

I have only 2 request! Thats request only everyone!

1: fix the FM`s correctly! And soon!

(OR)

2: allow FB ver. 1.0 on ubi.

As it is right now you cannot host or run IL2 FB ver. 1.0
on ubi, meaning you cannot play FB unless you have patch 1.11 or 1.1b or whatever patch. Nothing else will run up there.

Let the players decide which version they would like to play ONLINE. He11 theres only 5% of us!

UBI its your call on that one! But I can say this I will not drop 40+$ again for your product.

As someone said up here "online players are only 5% of the revenue" but word of mouth is more then 90%.

Your Call!!
And personaly I`ll go for the number 2 request!

~S~