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tagert
01-31-2004, 07:05 PM
The J8M Shusui Sword Stroke. Interesting story behind it all, in a nut shell, same bird, but nose is a bit different.. The only one left in the world is out at Chino

http://www.warbirdpictures.com/POF-2/P-J8M-2.jpg

http://www.warbirdpictures.com/POF1-JPG/J8M-Hanger-1.jpg

Chino's Virtual Tour
http://www.planesoffame.com/Virtual%20Tour%20Pages/index.html

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tagert
01-31-2004, 07:05 PM
The J8M Shusui Sword Stroke. Interesting story behind it all, in a nut shell, same bird, but nose is a bit different.. The only one left in the world is out at Chino

http://www.warbirdpictures.com/POF-2/P-J8M-2.jpg

http://www.warbirdpictures.com/POF1-JPG/J8M-Hanger-1.jpg

Chino's Virtual Tour
http://www.planesoffame.com/Virtual%20Tour%20Pages/index.html

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WUAF_Badsight
01-31-2004, 08:44 PM
an unknowen plane for many

lucky most of the late war plnes for the AXIS were not highly used

but they were cool as ....... the "Dark" side always seems to have cool gear lol

tagert
01-31-2004, 09:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
an unknowen plane for many<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But now even you know

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
lucky most of the late war plnes for the AXIS were not highly used<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Lucky for Germany the war ended when it did.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
but they were cool as ....... the "Dark" side always seems to have cool gear lol<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed 100%! It dont get much cooler then splitin atoms!

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Bearcat99
01-31-2004, 10:02 PM
Do you really think that Germany would have been nuked? I dont. Not at all.

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tagert
01-31-2004, 10:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Do you really think that Germany would have been nuked?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I dont. Not at all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why?

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LeadSpitter_
01-31-2004, 11:01 PM
I think they would have nuked germany if they attacked US soil, fought suicidal and no surrendering, shintoism, the japanese couldnt even look at thier leader becuase he was viewed as a sun god.

Two different types of armies and beliefs. You know germans had uboats off the coast of nyc with v1s?

My grandmother was a nurse in japan for years end of wwii and the koreanwar, and she loved the japanese, how respectful and many people she saved remained friends with her many years. She passed away from mialoma from radiation being there.

Im just curious why dont you think they would have? By August 1945 germany was done and japan wasnt if it was the other way around i think they would have done the same thing to germany to end the world war. They didnt nuke korea either

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tagert
01-31-2004, 11:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Im just curious why dont you think they would have? By August 1945 germany was done and japan wasnt if it was the other way around i think they would have done the same thing to germany to end the world war.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, now I think I know why Bearcat dosnt think we would have.. In that he is taking the *what if* and applying it to the *real* state of Germany.. ie no fight left in them.. I think the premiss of the *what if* is if Germany had some fight left in them, and were able to take some of those napkins drawings, to blue prints... basically NOT GIVE UP.. Then we would have.. But the fact is the *real* state of Germany was.. they couldnt, thus we wouldnt have! So, I agree with Bearcat.. In reality, we wouldnt have.. but *what if*.. we would have.

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Xiolablu3
01-31-2004, 11:59 PM
Yeee haw, lets nuke em all... :/

[This message was edited by Xiolablu3 on Sat January 31 2004 at 11:07 PM.]

ElAurens
02-01-2004, 12:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Do you really think that Germany would have been nuked? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In a heartbeat.

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Copperhead310th
02-01-2004, 12:17 AM
not a doubt in my mind either. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Kampfmeister
02-01-2004, 09:18 AM
If so, what would have been the target? There wasn't much left to bomb at that point in the war, that hadn't already been bombed to oblivion. By the way, how did we manage to get on this subject from a thread that started out talking about the Japanese version of the Me 163 Comet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

tagert
02-01-2004, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Yeee haw, lets nuke em all... :/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>In light of recent events.. I wouldnt put it past us.. And neither should you! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.geocities.com/grantsenn/slim_pickens_bomb.jpg

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tagert
02-01-2004, 09:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kampfmeister:
If so, what would have been the target? There wasn't much left to bomb at that point in the war, that hadn't already been bombed to oblivion.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed! The premis was.. *what if* As in what if Germany wasnt completly and uterly destroyed.. what if they could not only put up a fight still.. but manage to take some of those napkin drawings to blue print, then test, then production.. In that *what if* senario Im sure we would have.. The bomb was intended to be used on Germany from the get go.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kampfmeister:
By the way, how did we manage to get on this subject from a thread that started out talking about the Japanese version of the Me 163 Comet<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I was agreeing with WUAF_Badsight comment that the "Dark" side always seems to have cool gear.. as in spliting the atom was way cool! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Then Bearcat read into my "Germany is lucky it ended when it did" comment.. And here we are!

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Bobsqueek
02-01-2004, 09:29 AM
the invasion of japan would have cost america 1 million soldiers or more, thats why they did it

the german jets were too little too late

SkyChimp
02-01-2004, 10:29 AM
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TX-Bomblast
02-01-2004, 11:58 AM
I had the privilege a few years back to meet Col. Paul Tibbets. He was the guest speaker at the Kermit Weeks Air Museum in Miami, Fla. During his speech he mentioned that the USA had at the time of WW2, three atomic bombs, two were destined for Japan and the other for Berlin, just in case the war in Europe turned in favor of the Axis powers.
Hearing it from Col.Tibbets and not some no-nothing on some website has some credibility, Tibbets was at the time in charge of our atomic bomber force.
The Germans with all there advanced weapons would have never recovered from a Nuclear Strike on Berlin.

TX-Bomblast
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tagert
02-01-2004, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-Bomblast:
I had the privilege a few years back to meet Col. Paul Tibbets. He was the guest speaker at the Kermit Weeks Air Museum in Miami, Fla. During his speech he mentioned that the USA had at the time of WW2, three atomic bombs, two were destined for Japan and the other for Berlin, just in case the war in Europe turned in favor of the Axis powers.
Hearing it from Col.Tibbets and not some no-nothing on some website has some credibility, Tibbets was at the time in charge of our atomic bomber force.
The Germans with all there advanced weapons would have never recovered from a Nuclear Strike on Berlin.

TX-Bomblast
Red3<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bet!

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HarryVoyager
02-01-2004, 01:13 PM
Yea. From what I have read, the atom bombs were planned for use on Germany. Japan got them because Germany fell apart before they could be deployed.

Wars are cruel, by their very nature. To judge the actions of war from our frame work or relative peace, is to judge blindly.

There was a cartoon I saw ages ago from, I believe the twenties or thirties. It was in colour, so I'm fairly certain it wasn't WWI vintage, but it can't have been long after. It was one of those sappy childrens' cartoons, with dancing squirrels and singing trees, but it starts out with the last two human beings on the planet killing eachother, in violence about as graphic as Medal of Honour. But, this was a cartoon aimed at six to seven year olds.

It was the equivalent to Barney starting out covering a mass genocide, and then going on about how if they had all just wuvved eachother, they'd all be living happy lives now, instead of being dead and buried in unmarked mass graves. You just aren't going to see that in todays television.

The point I'm trying to make is that wars are nasty in a way that most of us can't comprehend anymore. At best, we can get only an incomplete understanding of how the world was during those times.

Harry Voyager

Obi_Kwiet
02-01-2004, 04:09 PM
Wars are bad but that dosetn mean that we can't "just not fight them". You have to defend your self and your contery. Man is fallen.

tagert
02-01-2004, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
Wars are bad but that dosetn mean that we can't "just not fight them". You have to defend your self and your contery. Man is fallen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed 100%!

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JG26Red
02-01-2004, 06:44 PM
sigh, post is about the japanese plane, not about the bomb and who would have got it... but, just a FYI for you guys... LUCKY GERMANY DID FALL APART WHEN IT DID... wanna know why? if germany lastest till august, to possiblities of them having a "Dirty bomb" where very legit, and not boding well for the public of NYC... just a FYI, also, what was that uboat that surrended a few days after may 8th? it had quite a bit of uranium? that helped finish some work on the US bombs... fyi

noshens
02-01-2004, 07:53 PM
Don't forget that Germany was making nuclear weapon too. In "what if" scenario where Germany is still capable when US gets its atom bomb ready would probably mean that Germany was getting close to or has its own atom bomb too. And if US attacked Germany with its nuke first, it would prove to Germany that it is possible to create such weapon and accelerate their own development.

tagert
02-01-2004, 07:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
sigh, post is about the japanese plane, not about the bomb and who would have got it... but, just a FYI for you guys... LUCKY GERMANY DID FALL APART WHEN IT DID... wanna know why? if germany lastest till august, to possiblities of them having a "Dirty bomb" where very legit, and not boding well for the public of NYC... just a FYI, also, what was that uboat that surrended a few days after may 8th? it had quite a bit of uranium? that helped finish some work on the US bombs... fyi<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Huh.. funny you start off telling us what this thread is and is NOT about... And then do the same that you accuse everyone else of.. double standards.. god love em!

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tagert
02-01-2004, 07:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yay1:
Don't forget that Germany was making nuclear weapon too. In "what if" scenario where Germany is still capable when US gets its atom bomb ready would probably mean that Germany was getting close to or has its own atom bomb too. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not even close.. They cancled the project early on.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yay1:
And if US attacked Germany with its nuke first, it would prove to Germany that it is possible to create such weapon and accelerate their own development.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL!

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Nazi_Boy_USA
02-01-2004, 08:02 PM
US soldiers are Wusses. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pure quantity- no quality, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The US is a loose association of people who hate each other. Nothing worth fighting for.

The next could come your way. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

tagert
02-01-2004, 08:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nazi_Boy_USA:
US soldiers are Wusses. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pure quantity- no quality, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The US is a loose association of people who hate each other. Nothing worth fighting for.

The next could come your way. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>YAWN... alot! ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........

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Nazi_Boy_USA
02-01-2004, 08:05 PM
WEAK

Nazi_Boy_USA
02-01-2004, 08:15 PM
a lot

BfHeFwMe
02-01-2004, 08:48 PM
So, this orange target drone got any guns hidden somewhere on it? Or was it for sight seeing only.

tagert
02-01-2004, 09:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
So, this orange target drone got any guns hidden somewhere on it? Or was it for sight seeing only.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not sure if they were removed.. or if this was just a test version.. I dont know how many of these where made in Japan.. But this is the only one left in the world.. one of one.. I dont know! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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JG26Red
02-01-2004, 09:29 PM
i wonder if target and skychimp are the same?

Old_Canuck
02-01-2004, 09:29 PM
Good find, Tagert. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sorry to jump back on the side-topic out of sync but you young fellers are hard to keep up with. Would have offered this sooner if I could ... using the atomic bomb had a dual purpose from what I've read: limit allied casualties AND give Stalin another thing to think about with respect to his expansion plans.

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tagert
02-02-2004, 12:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
i wonder if target and skychimp are the same?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW! Thank You! I take that as a complement! I wish I had half the brain power that likes of SkyChimp, Milo, and some others had!

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Rajvosa
02-02-2004, 01:09 AM
Germany was not going to be nuked in either way! It was way to important for that. US wanted to use Germany as their stronghold in Europe, as a sort of future battlefield with SSSR. Russians had the same plans for Germany and Central Europe. Now if you nuke it, it's hard to deploy soldiers there. Got my point?


The Cold War started while WWII was still hot.

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RedDeth
02-02-2004, 02:51 AM
i think everyone forgot Dresden. that was hit worse than hiroshima or nagasaki. the very air burned. that city burned to level ground. a spectacular city thought to be out of the general bombing areas. hiroshima pales in comparison to Dresden. german records state over 100,000 were vaporizied in the firestorm. and the structural damage was 100 times worse than japans.

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Rajvosa
02-02-2004, 02:57 AM
I just don't understand people... How can anyone say "oh, it was very good thing Japs were nuked". Stop for a second and listen to yourselves! Nuclear weapons are pure evil. Hell fire. People are still dying in cancer and other radiation related illneses.

No more bull****, OK?

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MatuDa_
02-02-2004, 03:06 AM
Agree with Ravjosa. nuking civilians is a big no-no and after doing that they should stfu about someone else having WMD:s and maybe using them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

tagert
02-02-2004, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
Germany was not going to be nuked in either way! It was way to important for that. US wanted to use Germany as their stronghold in Europe, as a sort of future battlefield with SSSR. Russians had the same plans for Germany and Central Europe. Now if you nuke it, it's hard to deploy soldiers there. Got my point?

The Cold War started while WWII was still hot.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I understand your point, but it is wrong. Want PROOOOOF? Ok, follow along for a second..

Land Mass.. Japan vs. Germany.. Would you say Germany is as big if not bigger?

With that said.. We dropped TWO A-Bombs on Japan... AND WE HAD TROOPS STATION IN JAPAN RIGHT AFTER THE WAR!! So, your argument is in error..

Need more proof? Here is a picture of me

http://www.geocities.com/grantsenn/MeAtTrinity.jpg

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JR_Greenhorn
02-02-2004, 12:59 PM
Tagert - Thank you kindly for resizing your Trinity Site pic. I rather disliked having to scroll back and forth to read previous threads.

JR_Greenhorn
02-02-2004, 01:13 PM
"There is only one restored Shusui ( for now ) and it is located at the Planes of Fame Museum in Chino, CA.

Another J8M1 is currently in store and will be refurbished, found in Japan in the 1960s within a cave. The condition is very poor, with much of the wing surfaces and tail plane missing among other damage. It is in the hands of Mitsubishi who plans on bringing it back to life."

From: http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/shusui.html
A breif development history of the J8M1 from the Me 163


Hikoki:1946 (http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/)
Offers interesting reading on some of the advanced projects the Japanese were working on, as well as the result of technology obtained from Germany. OVerall, it seems, these projects were quite hindered by the B-29.

BfHeFwMe
02-02-2004, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
Germany was not going to be nuked in either way! It was way to important for that. US wanted to use Germany as their stronghold in Europe, as a sort of future battlefield with SSSR. Russians had the same plans for Germany and Central Europe. Now if you nuke it, it's hard to deploy soldiers there. Got my point?


The Cold War started while WWII was still hot.

Golf GTI Edition 2.0 16v (Rest In Pieces!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What point? The historical record shows one of the fastest and largest draw down and shift of forces ever in the immediate two years after the war, both Soviet and Western. Cold War in 46, ROFLMAO

tagert
02-02-2004, 04:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JR_Greenhorn:
"There is only one restored Shusui ( for now ) and it is located at the Planes of Fame Museum in Chino, CA.

Another J8M1 is currently in store and will be refurbished, found in Japan in the 1960s within a cave. The condition is very poor, with much of the wing surfaces and tail plane missing among other damage. It is in the hands of Mitsubishi who plans on bringing it back to life." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW! Cool! Ill have to tell them guys at Chino they better update thier sign! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif In a cave huh.. how interesting.. makes you wonder what might be out on them islands in the pacific! I remember in Wurzburg Germany, they had tunnels connecting all the milltary bases.. Guy told me that back in the 60's they use to sneak down there and still find stuff..

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Kampfmeister
02-02-2004, 06:43 PM
So that is what the infamous Tagert looks like http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Nice picture. I've got a few pictures of my own laying around somewhere at home. They are of me also standing next to a monument indicating where ground zero was. They were taken in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which I had the opportunity to visit during my travels while in the Navy. Unfortunately for obvious reasons, I'm not smiling in those pictures http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

WUAF_Badsight
02-02-2004, 09:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MatuDa_:
Agree with Ravjosa. nuking civilians is a big no-no and after doing that they should stfu about someone else having WMD:s and maybe using them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


ha ha ha

you cant control the worlds economy (oil) if you dont have the biggest stick

or if others have a stick as big as yours

WUAF_Badsight
02-02-2004, 09:44 PM
Kampfmeister it would be interesting to see what ground zero in japan looks like now (or when your pics were taken)

MiloMorai
02-02-2004, 09:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kampfmeister:
So that is what the infamous Tagert looks like http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Nice picture. I've got a few pictures of my own laying around somewhere at home. They are of me also standing next to a monument indicating where ground zero was. They were taken in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which I had the opportunity to visit during my travels while in the Navy. Unfortunately for obvious reasons, I'm not smiling in those pictures http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, not a case for smiling, but just be thankful, for you might not be here if your daddy or gdaddy had to wade ashore on the beaches of Japan.



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JR_Greenhorn
02-02-2004, 09:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tagert:
WOW! Cool! Ill have to tell them guys at Chino they better update thier sign! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sure thing, but don't take my word for it; have them check with Mitsubishi directly for the whole story.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tagert:
In a cave huh.. how interesting.. makes you wonder what might be out on them islands in the pacific! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, I don't think there would be much of great interest (read: no out-of-the-ordinary WWII find) on any remote island of the empire. While I could be wrong, it would stand to reason that the Japanese empire at the time kept all of their special projects and top secret stuff on the home islands.

There's just too great of risk of loss otherwise, and many of the projects like the J8M1 were intended for defence of the home islands anyway.

tagert
02-02-2004, 10:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MatuDa_:
Agree with Ravjosa. nuking civilians is a big no-no and after doing that they should stfu about someone else having WMD:s and maybe using them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


ha ha ha

you cant control the worlds economy (oil) if you dont have the biggest stick

or if others have a stick as big as yours<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>YAWN

TAGERT

JR_Greenhorn
02-02-2004, 10:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tagert:
YAWN<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed 100% http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WUAF_Badsight
02-02-2004, 11:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tagert:
i have my head up my @$$ & i dont care what happens outside of America

TAGERT<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AGREED 100% !

JR_Greenhorn
02-02-2004, 11:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tagert:
i have my head up my @$$ & i dont care what happens outside of America <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LM@O! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WhiskeyRiver
02-03-2004, 12:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MatuDa_:
Agree with Ravjosa. nuking civilians is a big no-no and after doing that they should stfu about someone else having WMD:s and maybe using them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


ha ha ha

you cant control the worlds economy (oil) if you dont have the biggest stick

or if others have a stick as big as yours<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

heres a hint. America already does control the worlds economy. The only difference Iraqi oil makes is that the artificially high price of oil could drop to the point that some countries' government owned oil industries would go bankrupt. I personally would rather see my country in control of the oil rather than an insane dictator or a corrupt oil cartel who professes to hate me and my people.

As far as nukes go I'm completely in favor of killing anyone has one that is an enemy of the United States by whatever means necessary. The thought of a WMD attack on a major city is too terrible to contemplate.

Whoever was complaining about Dresden...go read a book. The worst bombing raids of the war were the fire bombings of Tokyo. Germany didn't get the bomb dropped on em cause they didn't have the stones to fight to the last man like the Japanese.

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WUAF_Badsight
02-03-2004, 01:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhiskeyRiver:

heres a hint. America already does control the worlds economy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

preaching to the converted sorry Whiskey

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhiskeyRiver:
The only difference Iraqi oil makes is that the artificially high price of oil could drop to the point that some countries' government owned oil industries would go bankrupt. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

actually the value of money is goverened by many things , but mainly the world oil trade , it would collaspe entire economys

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhiskeyRiver:
I personally would rather see my country in control of the oil rather than an insane dictator or a corrupt oil cartel who professes to hate me and my people. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well there is open hatred & then their is secret manipulation , guess which the World Bank pratices

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhiskeyRiver:
As far as nukes go I'm completely in favor of killing anyone has one that is an enemy of the United States by whatever means necessary. The thought of a WMD attack on a major city is too terrible to contemplate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


what ? like the action that happened over Nagasaki ? ...... or did you mean the one that happened over Hiroshima ????

or do you think that only America has the right to take action against its enemys ???

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhiskeyRiver:
Whoever was complaining about Dresden...go read a book. The worst bombing raids of the war were the fire bombings of Tokyo. Germany didn't get the bomb dropped on em cause they didn't have the stones to fight to the last man like the Japanese. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well lets just say that both tokyo AND Dresden would have seemed like hell on earth

those sort of bombings are crimes against humanity ........ the exact details of what happens during such bombing are horrific

Rajvosa
02-03-2004, 01:20 AM
heres a hint. America already does control the worlds economy. The only difference Iraqi oil makes is that the artificially high price of oil could drop to the point that some countries' government owned oil industries would go bankrupt. I personally would rather see my country in control of the oil rather than an insane dictator or a corrupt oil cartel who professes to hate me and my people.

As far as nukes go I'm completely in favor of killing anyone has one that is an enemy of the United States by whatever means necessary. The thought of a WMD attack on a major city is too terrible to contemplate.

Whoever was complaining about Dresden...go read a book. The worst bombing raids of the war were the fire bombings of Tokyo. Germany didn't get the bomb dropped on em cause they didn't have the stones to fight to the last man like the Japanese.



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ElAurens
02-03-2004, 05:12 AM
Time for a lock on this one I'd have to say...
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Rajvosa
02-03-2004, 06:02 AM
Well, I wouldn't go as far as locking it, discussion is a fine thing. But some of the guys here definitely need some form of education as to what really hapened and how it hapened. Perhaps they'd listen to bear or tsisqua, those guys always speak with great wisdom. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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nicolas10
02-03-2004, 06:08 AM
The nimrodicity is strong in this thread.

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Slush69
02-03-2004, 06:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kampfmeister:
If so, what would have been the target? There wasn't much left to bomb at that point in the war, that hadn't already been bombed to oblivion.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The civilian population would have been the target. Just as it was in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

As unbelievable as it may seem, when we see pictures of bombed German cities, people actually still lived there.

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Kampfmeister
02-03-2004, 06:55 AM
To WUAF_Badsight and MiloMorai. My pictures were taken about 20yrs. when I was in the Navy. My boat was home ported out of Japan so I got to see a lot of the country. I'd love to post them, but it would probably take me a day just to find them. That and I'm not particularly computer literate like some of you geniouses, so I'm not really sure on how to do it anyway http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Milo, as far as your comment is concerned, sorry to burst your bubble but my dad wouldn't have waded ashore on the beaches of Japan. Although I'm an American (lived here almost my whole life) I come from a German immigrant family. My dad was actually stationed near a beach during WWII. It was near the city of Caen, and it was called Normandy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Hope that doesn't change anybodies opinion of me. Last thing I need is some idiot calling me a Nazi.

nicolas10
02-03-2004, 08:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kampfmeister: Hope that doesn't change anybodies opinion of me. Last thing I need is some idiot calling me a Nazi.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just don't say anything positive about the Bf109, Fw190 or any other german plane, and the idiots shouldn't be calling you a nazi.

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A.K.Davis
02-03-2004, 11:00 AM
Zooooooooooommmmmmmmm! Weeeeeeeeeee!

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tagert
02-03-2004, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tagert:
i have my head up my @$$ & i dont care what happens outside of America

TAGERT<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AGREED 100% !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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