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kouch24
05-07-2004, 11:33 PM
Hi guys,

I have been flying IL2 AEP for a couple of months online now. I am decent at gunnery and decent at tracking my target in space. However, I have found that when I get a bogey on my tail when flying online, I can almost never lose him and end up being shot down. Can you guys give me some tips and advice on some evasive manuvers (I usually fly the p-51)?

kouch24
05-07-2004, 11:33 PM
Hi guys,

I have been flying IL2 AEP for a couple of months online now. I am decent at gunnery and decent at tracking my target in space. However, I have found that when I get a bogey on my tail when flying online, I can almost never lose him and end up being shot down. Can you guys give me some tips and advice on some evasive manuvers (I usually fly the p-51)?

05-07-2004, 11:48 PM
Frankly, the whole point is not to get the boget there in the first place. No matter how effective or exotic the evasive moves are, it can ultimately do nothing but delay the inevitable outcome if the attacker doesn't falls for it. Unless assuming a huge advantage in skill level for the defender against the attacker, the chances of the defender successfully escaping without critical damage is very slim.

If your main plane of choice is the P-51, it is a fast plane that retains E advantage very well. No matter what you do, always try to retain a certain amount of altitude under you to dive to safety when things go wrong - it is the single most reliable aspect one may utilize in case of the P-51.

If that fails, it usually comes down to hoping for an overshoot, but the chances of that happening are slim - as your main Axis opponents of contemporary 109s, 190s or Ki-84s possess the ability to accelerate faster than you.

Stalker58
05-08-2004, 02:20 AM
Clouds if enabled are the last resort, without them, well good luck...

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

Hoarmurath
05-08-2004, 02:31 AM
start scissors.

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Sam311
05-08-2004, 02:39 AM
this is why i like the bi-planes

if someone gets behind me then i just slam the joystick back and then im behind them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

AirBot
05-08-2004, 02:41 AM
Overall, the best way to act in such a situation is according to your plane's relative strengths. With this in mind, here's what I can offer for the P-51:
- Always try to keep at altitude. The P-51 is an excellent diver and retains energy extremely well. Diving away from the fight can usually get you to safety in that bird.
- IIRC, the P-51 has a fairly responsive elevator at high speeds. If against an opponent in an aircraft that does not perform well at high speeds, you could try a high-angle dive and late-pullout. If you're lucky the bogey might not pull up in time.
You can also trim the plane tail-heavy which will give you a much faster pull-out and will usually guarantee a blackout for you, and for your opponenet should he choose to follow you. That means that by the time you recover you're probably pointing straight up and both of you have no idea where you are, which will give you a chance to even the odds.
- The P-51 is fast. If against a slower opponent like a Zero or a Brewster, you could just pick up speed and leave them choking in your dust.
- Of course, there are always clouds. And if that doesn't work, you could always try flying between the chimneys of an industrial area - not a very practical tactic, but I've had success with it a few times.

ptegomerpyle
05-08-2004, 03:14 AM
Height is all i can recommend.

My mate was peeved that at 1 vs 1 i always nailed him when i was in a p51 and he was in a variety of planes, the one time he did get on my tail and started taking chunks out of me, i pulled such a hairbrained evasive manouver and forgot i was at only about 100meters and i stalled.

He was annoyed he didnt get the kill when i crashed.

But with height i would of been able to recover.

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F19_Ob
05-08-2004, 03:17 AM
Make online tracks and look through the players in evasive situations. This is a good way to get ideas.
I have posted some online tracks from Greater green earlier hoping newcomers would gain a faster learningcurve from watching and discussing tactics so they could avoid getting shot down all the time. Watching tracks is in my opinion the best way to learn tactics and understanding deflectionshooting.


One track with coments is still available in this post feel free to take a peek:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=380104843&r=856105943#856105943

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Never give up! Even if it seems hopeless at times there may still be a solution to your problem, and as u know "things" will sometimes happen quickly.

Flying the p51 U have the bf109 and fw190series mainly to worry about even if german jets are dagerous too and the japanese ki fighter ofcourse.

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If u cant shake an attacker off:

1 keep turning and yoyoing, bunting and whatever. dont stay still. If u try to speed off make wavelike movements = up and down. Its harder to hit than level flight.

2 go in to clouds if possible.

3 head for friendlies or friendly lines.

4 shoot tracers to alert friendlies of your position. ( can atract enemies aswell)( dont use smoke it looks kind of silly)

5 dont give up evasives even if u are badly damaged...friendlys may show up to help.


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Fw190 are most dangerous in the bounce situation because of its many cannons.
The p51 can outturn the fw but its difficult to scissor in slow speeds since its lowspeed handling is bad. Most fights online is only minutes away so in the p51 u only need 25% fuel in the majority of combats.

The bf109 is the most dangerous in dogfights and u cant dive from it( or fw ) either( I cant remember any p51 that succeded to dive away from me in my 109.
the p51 has about equal turning as the 109 but it also have better armament for dogfights. The machinegunse are far better suited for closecombat and the flat trajectory of the bullets requires less deflection = U dont have to pull as much lead as the 109.


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tips:

1 Gain altidude after takeoff 3000-4000m. The aces will have this or higer, regardless of plane. circle above the battle area, looking down trough sidewindow to spot victims.


2 in all planes u need to practice the best turn without flipping. Horisontal turns isnt enough . Normally u use high and low yoyos frequently.(harder to track and aim).

3 A good lookaround routine is important.
Make wide turns and look backup and roll the plane in the turn so u see behind+above and below u. Do this to and from target.
A bouncer, especially the aces will spot u from above and dive down far below ur tail where u cant see him. this attacker is hard to spot even with a good routine. So once in a while look below+behind.

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El Turo
05-08-2004, 04:02 AM
The #1 Golden, never forget, do-not-pass-go, brand it
in your mind, tattoo it on your forearm rule to
guns-defense:

GOLDEN RULE #1: DO NOT BECOME PREDICTABLE.

Do not, under any circumstances perform any kind of
linear manuever.

(For the love of God, don't loop!)

This means that your stick will NEVER be exactly in
the 12, 3, 6, or 9 oclock position. Always, always,
always include BOTH roll AND pitch in every manuever.

GOLDEN RULE #2: LOSE SIGHT, LOSE THE FIGHT.

Always, always, always keep your bandit visually
acquired. Do not take your eyes off of them for more
than a split second at MOST. If you lose sight of your
opponent, you're going to get some holes put in you
that you weren't born with.

Situational awareness is the single most important
skill you can learn/acquire. Knowing where your
opponent is, or is GOING to be is the absolute
difference between winning and losing an engagement.


Do not perform the same manuever over and over. A good
pilot will recognize it and begin to "time" you for a
snap shot.

Think of a MLB pitcher throwing the same pitch over
and over and over to a batter... it's only a matter of
time until he hits it out of the ballpark.

Good ideas:

Barrel Roll. Does exactly what is stated above,
non-linear and difficult to get a good shot on target.
*IF* your bad guy is sticking straight to your ***
through several revolutions then you aught to move on
to something else like a scissor or spiral dive.

[Mix and Match!

Don't be afraid to begin a barrel roll, but 3/4 of the
way through turn it into a yo-yo turn or spiral dive.

WHEN IN DOUBT, CLIMB

If you have the choice, use a climbing manuever
instead of a diving manuever or flat manuever.

Any extra bit of altitude you can steal is more energy
available later.

Callsign "Turo" in IL2:FB & WWIIOL
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Amidst morning clouds
Fork-tailed devil hunts its prey
Lightning strikes, süsse tr¤ume.

Maple_Tiger
05-08-2004, 05:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kouch24:
Hi guys,

I have been flying IL2 AEP for a couple of months online now. I am decent at gunnery and decent at tracking my target in space. However, I have found that when I get a bogey on my tail when flying online, I can almost never lose him and end up being shot down. Can you guys give me some tips and advice on some evasive manuvers (I usually fly the p-51)?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Here is a nasty little trick. Pick up speed, bout 600kmh. Stay at 1000m and roll over so that your upside down. Then pull back on the stick untill your pointing the other way.

This is called the Split is. If the enemy plane can't manuver at high speeds very well, then he just might hit the earth trying to follow you. You might have to cut throttle and deploy combat flaps half way through the manuver. Just don't black out lol.

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S 8
05-08-2004, 07:27 AM
This is what I do:Full throttle,dive away,yanking around like crayzy and scream like alittle schoolgirl.Dosen´t always work though.

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Extreme_One
05-08-2004, 07:32 AM
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Curly_109
05-08-2004, 07:46 AM
like all other guys say: take advantage of your specific A/C, and hide disadvantages. that's your best chance to survive combat situations.

P51 (all vers.) is not the most forgiving plane and if you are really inexperienced ( http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) and like american birds, fly P39 and try not to stall (i think that plane is best american fighter in ww2 despite loud statement for 'cadillac'). you'll find it's armament very thankfull---u can afford urself to shoot from a distance and hit enemy A/C to make him less maneuverable than finish him with single cannon shot. great strategy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

and mate why u call yourself a noob???! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Heavy_Weather
05-08-2004, 07:50 AM
knowing the weakness of all the A/C in this game is a must. i suggest flying some QMB missions with all the A/C you see online the most. exploit the weaknesses. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Jetbuff
05-08-2004, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superluminal:
This is what I do:Full throttle,dive away,yanking around like crayzy and scream like alittle schoolgirl.Dosen´t always work though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif I can't stop laughing! Too funny! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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