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Gbucket
09-20-2004, 10:33 AM
This is a Work In Progress plane list and may differ from the final product. This list is only meant to give you an idea about which planes will be present in the PC game Pacific Fighters.


JAPAN
Aichi D3A1 Val - Flyable
Aichi D3A2 Val - AI
Kawanishi H8K Emily - AI
Kawanishi N1K1-J George - AI
Kawasaki Ki-61 Tony - Flyable
Mitsubishi A6M2-21 Zero - Flyable
Mitsubishi A6M2-N Rufe - Flyable
Mitsubishi A6M3 Zero - Flyable
Mitsubishi G4M1 Betty - Flyable
Mitsubishi Ki-46 III Dinah - AI
Mitsubishi Ki-46 III Otsu Dinah - AI
Nakajima B5N Kate - AI
Nakajima Ki-43-I Oscar - Flyable
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden - AI
Nakajima Ki-43-II Oscar - AI

Allies
Supermarine Seafire III - Flyable
Supermarine Spitfire VIII - Flyable
Bristol Beaufighter Mk 21 - Flyable
Bristol Beaufighter IIF - AI
Bristol Beaufighter IINF - AI
Bristol Beaufighter VI - AI
Bristol Beaufighter VIC - AI
Bristol Beaufighter X - AI
Bell P-39D Airacobra - Flyable
Bell P-400 Airacobra - Flyable
Boeing B-17F Flying Fortress - AI
Boeing B-29 Superfortress - AI
Consolidated B-24 Liberator - AI
Douglas A-20G Havoc - Flyable
Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat - Flyable
Grumman F6F-5 Hellcat - Flyable
Grumman TBF-1C Avenger - AI
North American PBJ-1C Mitchell - Flyable
North American PBJ-1G Mitchell - Flyable
North American PBJ-1H Mitchell - Flyable
North American PBJ-1H Mitchell - Flyable
Vought F4U-1A Corsair - Flyable
Vought F4U-1C Corsair - Flyable
Vought F4U-1D Corsair - Flyable
Douglas A-20C Havoc - Flyable
Grumman F4F-3 Wildcat - Flyable
Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat - Flyable
Grumman TBF-1 Avenger - AI
Grumman TBM Avenger - AI
Brewster F2A-1 Buffalo - Flyable
Brewster F2A-2 Buffalo - Flyable
Brewster F2A-3 Buffalo - Flyable
Douglas SBD Dauntless - Flyable
Curtiss P-40B/C Tomahawk - Flyable
Boeing B-17D Flying Fortress - AI
Curtiss SB2C Helldiver - AI
Douglas TBD Devastator - AI
Grumman FM-2 Wildcat - Flyable
Northrop P-61 Black Widow - AI
Vought F4U-1 Corsair - Flyable



Ships

Great Britain
Prince of Wales Battleship
Illustrious Class Carrier
Leander Class Cruiser
County Class Cruiser
Oribi Class Destroyer

Japan
Haruna Battleship
Okikawa Maru
Kimikawa Maru
Fishing Vessel
Takao Class Cruiser
Akizuki Class Destroyer
Kagero Class Destroyer
P-102 Patrol Boat
Daihatsu Landing Craft
Akagi Class Carrier
Midget Submarine
Submarine
Zuikaku Class Carrier
Shihano Class Carrier
Kaga Class Carrier

United States
Colorado Battleship
Yorktown Carrier
Arizona Battleship
Liberty Dry Cargo Ship
Portland Class Cruiser
Essex Class Carrier
Lexington Class Carrier
LVT-2
LVT-4
DUKW
Gato Class Submarine
Yacht
Fletcher Class Destroyer
APD-5 Amphibious Support
Wickes Class Destroyer
CVE Escort Carrier


Vehicles

United States
Train Locomotive
Train Car
M3A1 Stuart Tank
M5A1 Stuart Tank
M3A1 Halftrack
M7 Priest
M8 Greyhound
M3 75mm GMC
Flak Gun - 50 cal
Flak Gun - 40mm Bofors
75-mm M5 AT Gun
155-mm M2 Long Tom Gun
81mm mortar

Japan
Train Locomotive
Railroad Car
Type 95 Armored Railroad Car So-Ki
Type 4 Ho-Ro SPA
Type 95 Ha-Go Tank
Type 97 Chi-Ha Tank
Type 1 Ho-Ha APC
Type 94 Truck
Type 1 Truck
Type 98 AA Halftrack Ko-Hi
Type 95 Passenger Car Kurogane
20mm AA Machine Cannon
25mm AA Machine Cannon (Twin)
25mm AA Machine Cannon (Triple)
Type 11 75mm AA Gun
Type 94 37 mm AT Gun
Type 38 75 mm Field Gun
Type 91 105 mm Howitzer
Type 97 81mm Mortar

Great Britain
Matilda Tank
Vickers Light Tank
Austin K3-YF Truck
Bedford OXD Truck
AEC Matador 4x4 Tractor
Guy Ant 15 CWT
Flak Gun - Light
Flak Gun - Heavy
3-Inch Mortar, Mark I

Maps

Midway
Iwo Jima
Wake Island
Coral Sea
Guadalcanal
Tarawa
Hawaii
Singapore
Palau
Japan
Rabaul
New Guinea
Luzon
Guam
Okinawa
Rangoon

Gbucket
09-20-2004, 10:33 AM
This is a Work In Progress plane list and may differ from the final product. This list is only meant to give you an idea about which planes will be present in the PC game Pacific Fighters.


JAPAN
Aichi D3A1 Val - Flyable
Aichi D3A2 Val - AI
Kawanishi H8K Emily - AI
Kawanishi N1K1-J George - AI
Kawasaki Ki-61 Tony - Flyable
Mitsubishi A6M2-21 Zero - Flyable
Mitsubishi A6M2-N Rufe - Flyable
Mitsubishi A6M3 Zero - Flyable
Mitsubishi G4M1 Betty - Flyable
Mitsubishi Ki-46 III Dinah - AI
Mitsubishi Ki-46 III Otsu Dinah - AI
Nakajima B5N Kate - AI
Nakajima Ki-43-I Oscar - Flyable
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden - AI
Nakajima Ki-43-II Oscar - AI

Allies
Supermarine Seafire III - Flyable
Supermarine Spitfire VIII - Flyable
Bristol Beaufighter Mk 21 - Flyable
Bristol Beaufighter IIF - AI
Bristol Beaufighter IINF - AI
Bristol Beaufighter VI - AI
Bristol Beaufighter VIC - AI
Bristol Beaufighter X - AI
Bell P-39D Airacobra - Flyable
Bell P-400 Airacobra - Flyable
Boeing B-17F Flying Fortress - AI
Boeing B-29 Superfortress - AI
Consolidated B-24 Liberator - AI
Douglas A-20G Havoc - Flyable
Grumman F4F-4 Wildcat - Flyable
Grumman F6F-5 Hellcat - Flyable
Grumman TBF-1C Avenger - AI
North American PBJ-1C Mitchell - Flyable
North American PBJ-1G Mitchell - Flyable
North American PBJ-1H Mitchell - Flyable
North American PBJ-1H Mitchell - Flyable
Vought F4U-1A Corsair - Flyable
Vought F4U-1C Corsair - Flyable
Vought F4U-1D Corsair - Flyable
Douglas A-20C Havoc - Flyable
Grumman F4F-3 Wildcat - Flyable
Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat - Flyable
Grumman TBF-1 Avenger - AI
Grumman TBM Avenger - AI
Brewster F2A-1 Buffalo - Flyable
Brewster F2A-2 Buffalo - Flyable
Brewster F2A-3 Buffalo - Flyable
Douglas SBD Dauntless - Flyable
Curtiss P-40B/C Tomahawk - Flyable
Boeing B-17D Flying Fortress - AI
Curtiss SB2C Helldiver - AI
Douglas TBD Devastator - AI
Grumman FM-2 Wildcat - Flyable
Northrop P-61 Black Widow - AI
Vought F4U-1 Corsair - Flyable



Ships

Great Britain
Prince of Wales Battleship
Illustrious Class Carrier
Leander Class Cruiser
County Class Cruiser
Oribi Class Destroyer

Japan
Haruna Battleship
Okikawa Maru
Kimikawa Maru
Fishing Vessel
Takao Class Cruiser
Akizuki Class Destroyer
Kagero Class Destroyer
P-102 Patrol Boat
Daihatsu Landing Craft
Akagi Class Carrier
Midget Submarine
Submarine
Zuikaku Class Carrier
Shihano Class Carrier
Kaga Class Carrier

United States
Colorado Battleship
Yorktown Carrier
Arizona Battleship
Liberty Dry Cargo Ship
Portland Class Cruiser
Essex Class Carrier
Lexington Class Carrier
LVT-2
LVT-4
DUKW
Gato Class Submarine
Yacht
Fletcher Class Destroyer
APD-5 Amphibious Support
Wickes Class Destroyer
CVE Escort Carrier


Vehicles

United States
Train Locomotive
Train Car
M3A1 Stuart Tank
M5A1 Stuart Tank
M3A1 Halftrack
M7 Priest
M8 Greyhound
M3 75mm GMC
Flak Gun - 50 cal
Flak Gun - 40mm Bofors
75-mm M5 AT Gun
155-mm M2 Long Tom Gun
81mm mortar

Japan
Train Locomotive
Railroad Car
Type 95 Armored Railroad Car So-Ki
Type 4 Ho-Ro SPA
Type 95 Ha-Go Tank
Type 97 Chi-Ha Tank
Type 1 Ho-Ha APC
Type 94 Truck
Type 1 Truck
Type 98 AA Halftrack Ko-Hi
Type 95 Passenger Car Kurogane
20mm AA Machine Cannon
25mm AA Machine Cannon (Twin)
25mm AA Machine Cannon (Triple)
Type 11 75mm AA Gun
Type 94 37 mm AT Gun
Type 38 75 mm Field Gun
Type 91 105 mm Howitzer
Type 97 81mm Mortar

Great Britain
Matilda Tank
Vickers Light Tank
Austin K3-YF Truck
Bedford OXD Truck
AEC Matador 4x4 Tractor
Guy Ant 15 CWT
Flak Gun - Light
Flak Gun - Heavy
3-Inch Mortar, Mark I

Maps

Midway
Iwo Jima
Wake Island
Coral Sea
Guadalcanal
Tarawa
Hawaii
Singapore
Palau
Japan
Rabaul
New Guinea
Luzon
Guam
Okinawa
Rangoon

VW-IceFire
09-20-2004, 12:20 PM
Thanks Razz. At least we know...although isn't this the very same list posted by the French site?

Kinda disapointed about the George not being flyable and sort of odd that some of the variants (like the Oscar II) not being flyable but also excited about the Beaufighter, the A-20, Dauntless, Spit VIII and Corsair.

The Spit VIII mostly just because of the campaign that you can fly it in never having been done before. The IX and the VIII are so similar so its not a big shocker that they were able to add one in quickly. Great interest in the whole Burma/Rangoon setup!

Hopefully they can add a few more before release...particularly the George, Avenger, and Kate. Still, quite an undertaking to get what is there...there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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RAF No 92 Squadron
"Either fight or die"

NegativeGee
09-20-2004, 12:32 PM
The flyable aircraft for the Japanese are not quite so well presented as those on the Allied side, but look at the ships is well endowed indeed.

Well, knowing how things work in the world of Maddox simes, lets hope that development will bring more flyables with time!

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Günther Rall

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Look Noobie, we already told you, we don't have the Patch!

Tater-SW-
09-20-2004, 12:40 PM
Nice so far, hopefully we'll see a few more japanese plans in later patches (nell, sally, nick, etc), even if only as AI.

The Shinano is an odd choice, would've been neat to have a smaller IJN CV(E/L).


tater

unseen84
09-20-2004, 01:02 PM
Still no mention of a Judy or Jill. The overall lack of flyable carrier-based bombers is most disappointing, and I know this has been discussed a lot in the Devastator cockpit thread. Hopefully at least the Avenger will become flyable ASAP.

Agreed with tater about Shinano. I'd have picked Soryu, Hiryu, Taiho, or any IJN CVL before Shinano. It'l still be interesting to see her in combat though. I'm a little disappointed there aren't more surface ships, especially IJN battlships if for no other reason than they just look really cool.

SKULLS_Exec01
09-20-2004, 01:24 PM
Thanks Razz, GREAT to see a list by someone offical that is semi final(WIP with planes, ships and more...
(Hoping a few of the AI torp/bomber planes make it to pilotable)
Thanks! S!

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SKULLS_Exec
CO of The SKULLS Squadron

Tater-SW-
09-20-2004, 02:07 PM
Will the appropriate FB planes also be included stand alone, or will you need both to get C-47, P-40E, A6M5, etc?

We'll have a PBM at least, though no amphib yet.

tater

VMF223_Anderson
09-20-2004, 02:15 PM
<S!>
Being a Pacific Theatre simulation, it is odd there is no Carrier Borne Torpedo plane flyable. Looking good, but that element needs to be addressed. I'm sure it will be patched up the road, so we'll cross our fingers.

1Lt.Anderson
VMF-223 XO
VMF-223 (http://www.417sqnrcaf.com/2index.html)

Capt._Tenneal
09-20-2004, 02:30 PM
Since the Shinano is being modelled, how much of a work will it be to remove the landing deck and add the Yamato & Musashi in the game ? It would be nice to see those two behemoths. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The list looks good regardless.

Any word on the first patch and first add-on ? <kidding>

Snootles
09-20-2004, 02:38 PM
This list should be taken with a big grain of salt- the same flyable aircraft list was posted on the German forum in early August. Hopefully that means changes have been made since, starting with flyable later versions of certain planes (A6M8, D3A2, Ki-43-II)...

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VW-IceFire
09-20-2004, 03:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
This list should be taken with a big grain of salt- the same flyable aircraft list was posted on the German forum in early August. Hopefully that means changes have been made since, starting with flyable later versions of certain planes (A6M8, D3A2, Ki-43-II)...

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This mysterious article appeared about a week ago in the Washington Post. When questioned about it, the EiC declined to respond. One truth prevails.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Excellent point.

This is probably the last "official" list that was authorized so its on here. Hopefully they have added a few things since.

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"Either fight or die"

Penguin_PFF
09-20-2004, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Kinda disapointed about the George not being flyable<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This issue is not being ignored. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

"Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow..."

MigLancer
09-20-2004, 03:55 PM
No American torpedo bombers???? Strange.... I'd say this is a major drawback http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Tater-SW-
09-20-2004, 04:11 PM
How about no Japanese Army bombers of any kind?

Not one land bomber, except the Navy Betty.

tater

zuiho
09-20-2004, 04:27 PM
In my opinion the list shows problems for the game... The japanese list is clearly smaller than the american list... there are very important japanese plane that are only AI (as the N1K1 J) and others that are simply subversions of flyable aircraft and are AI (see D3A1 and D3A2 or Ki-43I and Ki-43 II)... there aren' t important japanese carriers as Hiryu and Soryu (you can image Midway without Hiryu?) while the huge, beautiful but unimportant Shinano is in the game... there are US CVE but no japanese CVL... and ,in the end, there are not flyable torpedo bombers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif... I don' t known if it' s a commercial strategy for later patches but so (I repeat that it' s a my opinion) PF will be a beautiful and unbalanced game.

VW-IceFire
09-20-2004, 05:14 PM
Remember, not a final list.

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"Either fight or die"

RAC_Pips
09-20-2004, 11:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Remember, not a final list.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sure do hope that that is the case. At the moment the comparison of Japanese to Allied aircraft is very unbalanced.

No Ki-44 Shoki, no ki-27, no N1K2-J Shiden-Kai and no A6M5 models of the Zero are in the game. The J2M Raiden and the N1K1-J shouldbe flyable. And as someone mentioned earlier no IJAAF bombers of any type represented in the game. What's the point of aving a New Guinea map in there are no Army bombers in the game? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

There is also no mention of the P-38 Lightning!?!

Yet there are a multitude of aircraft models like the B-25 (4), Beaufighter (6), F4U (4) and the Buffalo (3).

Crazy. And very unbalanced

wuggle85
09-21-2004, 12:17 AM
nice list at least we now have an idea of what will be in pf, im a little dissapionted that theres no flyable devestator http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gifi was also expecting more jap aircraft to be flyable but maybe more will be come flyable in latter patches.
its fantastic that were getting landing craft i cant wait to see troops coming of the craft an running up the beachess http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

firehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gifstarter

Siege_Dog
09-21-2004, 01:21 AM
Looks exciting. The planes that are there are going to be fun to fly.
I hear that the Royal Australian Air Force will be included so that should be enjoyable but Australia flew both the P-47 and P-51 toward the end of the war and they are not included. I can't wait to land on a carrier, I haven't had a decent navy sim since Aces of the Pacific.

KAMI_1
09-21-2004, 02:37 AM
wonder about the Shinano.
I have other Infos

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Gbucket
09-21-2004, 03:20 AM
I realise that some people have posted similar lists before but that's the only official list I have and I thought that some people who have not seen previous lists might appreciate it. So ner :P

Please bear in mind that it's work in progress so more planes could be added/changed before release http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt._Tenneal
09-21-2004, 08:26 AM
UbiRazz, I know that there's no mention of the A6M5, Ki-84, P-38, etc. because they're in AEP already, but I want to clarify : those buying JUST the standalone PF version will not have these planes in their game then, right ?

SaQSoN
09-21-2004, 10:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> those buying JUST the standalone PF version will not have these planes in their game then, right ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. Not right. All planes, that fit the Pacific and already are in the FB will be in the PF standalone install.
BTW, the Ubiraz's list isn't correct at all. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

aminx
09-24-2004, 08:30 AM
thanks saqson
aminx

aminx
09-24-2004, 08:55 AM
now let me do some checking and remembering:


confirmed planes missing from list
DAUNTLESS sbd3 flyable
KI84 flyable (FB)
A6M5 zero (FB)
P47
P38
P40

et etc etc....



ships
HIRYU

flyable torpedo planes in next patch
AVENGER
DEVASTATOR

on hold
KATE,awaitting good quality photo material for cockpit development.

aminx

chris455
09-24-2004, 10:26 AM
I wonder if the Rabaul map will fetaure any active (smoking) volcanoes.

MoritzJGOne
09-24-2004, 10:32 AM
I have found and will soon obtain the Maru Mechanic books on the Kate, Val, Raiden and Jill.

I have seen these before, you can build an aircraft from these!

I will be willing to share this with the development team, including the information from Mikesh's Japanese Aircraft Interiors. The latter book contains drawings of the instrument panels with the location of each and every guage and photos of individual gauges.

Send me an e-mail to:davidl@craneagency.com

aminx
09-24-2004, 11:19 AM
thats the way MORITZ,take them right from the horns,no excuses this time.appreciate effort.
aminx

aminx
09-24-2004, 11:23 AM
FLYABLE KATE

good quality tech material now available to complete cockpit.Up to Saqson now.Maybe by spring we will have 3 flyable essential and hystorical torp planes,great!!!!
aminx

PikeBishop
09-24-2004, 11:36 AM
Well I will hope for more Jap types because as everybody more or less knows how to counter the Zero's strengths it is not going to have the desired effect in combat. At the moment the only others you can fly are the Hien Val and the Oscar....Okay for the first 6 to a year months of the war I suppose. But we do have the '84 so we can't really complain as that will hold its own against any opposition. i'm sure others will come later.

regards,
SLP

duffys_tavern
09-24-2004, 11:52 AM
Yea, we sure need a flyable torp bomber. TBM & Kate. Would also like to see a flyable SB2C Helldiver. Noticed there's no A6M5, P-40E, P-47, P-38 or P-51. Guess they figured we could use the ones from FB. Any word on system specs yet?

Copperhead310th
09-24-2004, 12:11 PM
you can't have WWII Pacific theater sim WITHOUT
the P-39/P-38/P-40/P-47/P-51. it's just that simple. I think IMO that TOO MUCH attention is being paid the the Naval Air war over the Pacific in PF. The US Army Aircops provided more than 65% of all aircraft that saw action in the PTO in WWII untill Early 1944 when US Navy Carrier production reached it's peak.
So yes of cousres those aircraft will transfer over to PR from AEP. that's common sence.

Boondoggie
09-24-2004, 02:10 PM
Very nice list so far!

GreenBlade111
09-24-2004, 06:03 PM
Too Bad the Avenger is not flyable but the AA they face is too thick. Just give me my F4U and at least I can help keep the Zeros off their tails.

Bo_Nidle
09-24-2004, 07:30 PM
Can't wait!

Big plus with the Beaufighter being flyable,looking forward to the B25 too.

A little disappointed about the Avenger being only AI.I was rather looking forwards to attempting the nightmare of a torpedo attack under fire.

Oh well,maybe in the first patch.

Really looking forwards to getting the first templates.I have a seperate area of the paintshop already prepared.

Oh, and can you release it in the UK at the same time as the USA.The wait for AEP in UK nearly drove me insane as I watched our American cousins bringing out skin after skin.

WUAF_Co_Mantis
09-25-2004, 02:03 AM
Here is a newer plane list i found...

Flyable:
Supermarine Seafire III
Supermarine Spitfire MkVIII
Vought F4U1 Corsair
Vought F4U1A Corsair
Vought F4U1C Corsair
Vought F4U1D Corsair
North American B25-C Mitchell
North American B25-G Mitchell
North American B25-H Mitchell
Douglas SBD Dauntless
Douglas A20C Havoc
Douglas A20G Havoc
Gruman F4F3 Wildcat
Gruman F4F4 Wildcat
Gruman FM2 Wildcat
Gruman F6F3 Hellcat
Gruman F6F5 Hellcat
Curtiss P40B/C Tomahawk
Bell P39D Airacobra
Bell P400 Airacobra
Brewster F2A1 Buffalo
Brewster F2A2 Buffalo
Brewster F2A3 Buffalo
Bristol Beaufighter Mk 21

Aichi D3A1 Val
Kawasaki KI61 Tony
Mitsubishi A6M2 21 Zero
Nakajima A6M2 N Rufe
Mitsubishi A6M3 Zero
Mitsubishi G4M1 betty
Nakajima Ki43 I Oscar

AI:
Aichi D3A2 Val
Kawanishi H8K emily
Kawanishi N1K1J George
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden
Mitsubishi Ki 46 III Dinah
Mitsubishi Ki 46 III Otsu Dinah
Nakajima B5N Kate
Nakajima Ki43 II Oscar

Bristol Beaufighter Mk IIF
Bristol Beaufighter Mk IINF
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VIC
Bristol Beaufighter Mk X
oeing B17D Flying Fortress
Boeing B17F Flying Fortress
Boeing B29 Superfortress
Consolidated B24 Liberator
Curtiss SB2C Helldiver
Douglas TBD Devastator
Gruman TBM Avenger
Gruman TBF 1 Avenger
Gruman TBF 1c Avenger
Northrop P61 Black Widow


There are more Allied planes, but I still see the Japanese are sorly lacking flyable and AI planes, what gives, the Japs were the main enemy force in the pacific.

When will we get more Japanese planes?
Is it true about what i heard...That this list only shows new Pacific planes, and that we will have all USA and Japanese planes from AEP?

Also, notice the dev. updates they recentally have up, they show torpedo bombers.

major.kudou
09-25-2004, 03:37 AM
I think too. Why doesn't the plane of a Japanese of the second half appear?
It seems to try not to play an active part anyhow on the Japanese€€plane.
Ki43 I Oscar Flyable, why Ki43 II Oscar cannot?
D3A1 Flyable, why D3A2 Val cannot?
And P61 Black Widow appears. But why ki-4(TYPE2 two-seat fighter "Totyu" ..."NICK") not appears?
Bf-110 and Pe-3 came out in FB. But why ki-45 not?
The plane which can deal a blow effective in B-29 are can't Flyable?
Only plunges into B-29 by Ki-61 which removed the gun?

By the way, although "BAKA-BOMB" is not found in list...

sorry to my poor English...

JRT894
09-25-2004, 03:40 AM
Geerally I agree with the comments already made, I€m disappointed with the array of Japanese planes, where are the G3M Nell, Ki-21 Sally, Ki-44 Tojo, D4Y Judy and A5M Claude among numerous others.

A few more fleet air arm planes would be nice, where are the Firefly, Fulmar, Swordfish, Albacore, Baracudda and Sea Hurricane. Some allied float planes such as the Seamew and Kingfisher would also add some variety.

Giganoni
09-25-2004, 05:00 PM
Well, I'm sure they will make the Toryu (Ki-45) later on in a patch. The big thing with the Ki-43 II is I guess the cockpit looked different (other than the use of a reflector gunsight and not a telescopic). I'm having trouble of finding a cockpit picture of a Ki-43 II anyway, even in my Japanese books based on the Hayabusa. Of course the model is different, 300 mm shorter wings, exhaust and propellers look different, but they got the exterior down if the Ki-43 II is AI. I really wish we could have gotten the Shoki, that would have freaked those BnZ P-40 pilots.

However, the most destresing thing on Ubi's list.

The Type 11 75mm AA gun. Guess how many were made? 44!!! Guess what, it also was resigned before WWII began! The main large caliber aa gun of the Japanese was the Type 88 with around 2000 made and surperior capabilities than the type 11. That is the most distressing thing about the list, putting in a weapon that was retired even before WWII began, hey if your going to have battles in the early 30s in china, keep it in, but also include the Type 88 75mm aa cannon. Heck, if B-29s are gonna be bombing Japan you should also add the type 99 88mm aa gun too.

Just please fix the type 11!

Bull_dog_
09-25-2004, 06:43 PM
I think online 1943-45 dogfight maps are gonna be bad if you want to fly Japanese...no Jack, no Tojo, no George....rangoon w/ no Ki-27?

The obvious short coming is the lack of torpedo bombers...but I do hope we get a few more of those Beau's flyable and where the heck is the F4U-4 w/ those Okinawa and Japan maps? I didn't expect a F or G model lightning first time around but I sure hope one is done.

My darkhorse hopeful for a cockpit...the P-61!

Well, we're not going to get all the planes the first time out but my most missed flyable planes will be....
1) The Avenger
2) F4U-4
3) Ki-44
4) Kate
5) Any Japanese Twin (Nell, Lily, Dinah etc)

GoToAway
09-26-2004, 02:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aminx:
flyable torpedo planes in next patch
AVENGER
DEVASTATOR <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Uh, didn't SaQSoN just say the other day that we wouldn't have flyable US torp bombers unless we had flyable Japanese torp bombers? And didn't he also say pretty authoritatively that not enough information exists to model the Japanese torp bomber cockpits? I sure took that to mean that we'd never see a flyable Avenger and Devastator...

Ruy Horta
09-26-2004, 02:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bull_dog_:
I think online 1943-45 dogfight maps are gonna be bad if you want to fly Japanese... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The current plane list is disappointing, even with the AEP a/c included, but not really surprising from what I've seen on this board. The excuse in some cases of lack of data is weak.

Even if we consider the Japanese to be target a/c, we should expect many more AI controlled types, which do not require extensive cockpit material and are thus well supported by regular reference material (hard FM data is a different matter BTW, but this would lead to think that they did not dig deep enough into the archives to find said material, or are trying to do it on the "cheap").

Even the original IL2 had a more healthy AI contigent. The most likely explanation is that they are rushing for an early release. We'll get a couple of extra planes in a free patch (which will also iron out a number of bugs from the rushed out release). After this we'll get a more comprehensive list in an add on which might actually become a "stand alone" by itself (ironic, but not unlikely), which will get the same treatment (bug patch with a few new types thrown in).

Good business plan actually (Ubi etc is a business, that we must accept).

So mid to late '05 we might actually see a healthly Pacific a/c list, AI or Flyable.

We must hope they don't drop PF while running up for BoB. But developing a legacy product is fairly cheap in comparisson and can generate a good profit if the product is still popular.

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Ruy Horta
09-26-2004, 02:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MoritzJGOne:
I have found and will soon obtain the Maru Mechanic books on the Kate, Val, Raiden and Jill. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They have all these books, but I have to disagree that you can always build good cockpits from these sources. Problem is that although one sub-type may be well covered, another my be less easy.

The Val is a good example, easy to build an early model, but the later model is a different matter.

The Ki 41 I is easy, the model II is more difficult, there is close to nothing on the Model III interior.

Also you may find excellent dashboard pictures, but no or only bad quality material when it comes to the sides and rear.

With multi-seat a/c the problem is worse, since data on the gunner or bombaimer positions may be all but non available.

A drawing is not the same a photo.

Even with well covered a/c you may have to sift through "badly" restored or non-original items.

Having written this in support of a "small list", I repeat my previous post.

1. This is no excuse when it comes to AI a/c.

2. Although FM is an issue, AI target a/c (for instance bombers) can have a fuzzy FM, that can use less complete FM data.

The list is greatly lacking in AI types, period, lacking vision in terms of planning.

The latter is less surprising since that same lack of planning was present in IL2 when it originally came out.

WUAF_Co_Mantis
09-26-2004, 03:06 AM
I for one don't mind having Jap cockpits that arn't accurate, as long as they are as close as possible, i'd rather have more jap planes than super accurate cockpits.

Tater-SW-
09-26-2004, 09:12 AM
One really idea posted for multi-crewed bombers is to model only the cockpit, and bombadier position if you have that data, an leave all the gunners AI only.

tater

Snootles
09-26-2004, 10:27 AM
Yes, there is a lot missing, but you have to remember things are better than they used to be. CFS2 shipped with seven flyables:

A6M2
A6M5
F4F-4 Wildcat
F4U-1A Corsair
F6F-3 Hellcat
N1K2-J Shiden
P-38F Lightning

And that was all...

Bull_dog_
09-26-2004, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Co_Mantis:
I for one don't mind having Jap cockpits that arn't accurate, as long as they are as close as possible, i'd rather have more jap planes than super accurate cockpits. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here here! I am sick of this "we don't have enough info to model" garbage....if there isn't enough info on the cockpit...then how the heck do any of us know what the difference is???

The Kate needs to be modelled as close as can be and included along with the other torp/bombers as quickly as possible.

I might be in the minority on this thought but I think the idea of AI aircraft is a lame excuse...I'd rather have WW view or a generic aircraft cockpit planted in the incomplete aircraft...bombers without all the gunstations etc...until they can be finished than to have AI target aircraft. I have found so many discrepencies in this game around "realism" to know that this is a lofty goal that has not been realized...so holding out aircraft because of sketchy information is absurd imho.

I could have swore I saw aircraft flying the other day that never flew.... we need the Kate, Avenger along with others like the Black Widow, Helldiver, George, Raiden, Ki-43II etc....

Ruy Horta
09-26-2004, 10:42 AM
Why should we compare with CFS2, because its the Pacific? I say we should compare to IL2 at best and FB at worst (AEP would be unfair). Its fair compare with the best out there, not with a product that's been out twice as long as IL2.

With a little more focus we could at least have had a number of additional AI a/c, or instead of trying to spread around the types, have focussed on a balanced early, middle or late set and expand from there on. Having a Ki 46 but no Sally does not make any sense whatsoever. It feels like they just took the models that were initially offered by third part enthusiasts and started from that. What's wrong with hiring a couple of extra 3D artists? I know one that has a lot of a/c experience and is willing and able to do about one a week (two at most) for the right price.

AI a/c don't need cockpits, which present the most work.

Now we have a few early a/c, a few middle and a few late ones. The problem is focus. Great to have detailed tanks, but not at the price of a/c. Great to have many ship classes, but why bother if the naval AI is still as dumb as in IL2?

Ruy Horta
09-26-2004, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bull_dog_:
I might be in the minority on this thought but I think the idea of AI aircraft is a lame excuse... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd rather have a Ki 43 III that's AI, enabling me at least to fight against it, than not having one at all. I could fill in Ki 44, or Ki 21 or whatever.

Attempting to make the best cockpit possible isn't something to be ashamed about, actually I stand behind that, but the lack of certain types even as AI is presenting a grim picture when it comes to "Pacific" scenarios. Like it or not target a/c are an important part of the offline experience (or coop) in that they enable the inlcusion of more varied types of a/c.

BTW where is that C5M we saw in some of the earliest screenshots?

VW-IceFire
09-26-2004, 11:10 AM
We heard in a round about way that there are other Japanese aircraft being produced. I know the story isn't over yet for PF...the whole concept is to continue with the "Oleg Maddox way of things" with a first release that is then later suplmented with free addon materials.

Keep in mind...and alot of you have forgotten or never knew, that this project, unlike Forgotten Battles is perhaps unique in that its being managed professionally but the content is often times coming from free lance modelers/texturers that have done work for the community before. So some projects are still ongoing and we know that there is work progressing (even if we don't know the planes). So the plane list right now...is not final.

I would like to see more AI and more flyables either in release or post release. I wouldn't be like some and rush to judge on things...we should and can be paitent. We shouldn't be paying for a beta release but we can pay with the expectation for "free stuff" and support down the road.

Jetdoc_5th
09-26-2004, 01:32 PM
besides the torp bombers from both sides they are leaving the heavys out as come on guys don't me with all the tec data out there you can't put the B-17's, B-24's,B-29's and the Emilys as flyable don't kick the Bomber Boys in the Teeth again

WTE_Tigger
09-26-2004, 09:00 PM
S!

I wanna join the AI Squad they might fly like fewls but they get all the good planes!

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McThag
09-26-2004, 09:59 PM
The aviation mueseum in Pensacola is not too far from me. My brother can get to the Pima Air Museum in Pima, Az. I can also day trip to where the Confederate Air Force keeps Fifi. What pictures do you need? The curators are VERY cool about keeping these planes in people's minds.

hernanyork
09-27-2004, 08:29 AM
HI ALL.
I THINK THAT ARE FULLY IMPORTANT
TO CHINESE THEATER : KI27B -KI21-KI43 OK-KI44-KI45-KI48-KI46 OK-A5M4-KI10-KI30-D1Y1
AND P43-P66-P40B/C OK-P26-HAWKII-HAWKIII-B25 OK-P40E OK-BUFFALO OK-HURRICANE I OK-BLENHEIN OK-I16 OK-I15BIS IN PROGRESS-I153 OK-SB2 OK-R10 OK-DB3 OK- R5 IN PROGRESS-GLADIATOR I OK-

TO HOLLAND
DO 24 - HAWK A6/A3/A7- MARTIN 139 H- PBY-5 IN PROGRESS- BUFFALO OK-CW21 IN PROGRESS-F CV-

TO JAPAN
KI 76 STELLA, KI51 TOPSY, KI 115 SWORD,LI2,J1M,B6N,Q13E,H6K,F1M2, SEIRAN, KI49,

TO ENGLAND
MOSQUITO, BARRACUDA, HAMDEN,BATTLE, LYSANDER, HURRICANE IID, BEAUFORT.

TO EEUU
F7F, VENTURA, VINDICATOR, HELLDIVER, P47N IN PROGRESS, A26, A29, P35, B18, B32

IN THE NEXT PATCHES I HOPE CAN SEE THIS NICE BIRTHS TO DEPLOY THE TOTAL PACIFIC WAR
I LOVE IL2 AND I LOVE MADDOX TEAM FOR THIS WONDERFUL WORLD THAT THEY CREATE FOR US
TKS FOREVER

major.kudou
09-27-2004, 10:22 AM
Mr.McThag
Really!? Cool!
What planes are there in that mueseum?
If the photographs which you take, and motivation of development team are put together, I think PF becomes a very wonderful game!


...By the way, I'm worried also about the arms which an plane equips.
Does "TA-BOMB" appear in game?

Sorry to my poor English...

One13
09-27-2004, 12:10 PM
I see the list has no Ki-45 either flyable or AI, has anyone heard if it is being modelled?
While searching the web I came across some pictures of one, it looked like it was in a museum awaiting restoration (the wings were off). One of the pictures was of the cockpit, so modelling it is a possibility....

Giganoni
09-27-2004, 03:01 PM
I still find it kind of scary that the large ground AA gun for the Japanese in this WIP list is a type that was retired before wwII began. At least all my sources say so. Type 11 was made in 1922, first home produced 75mm aa gun. However, in 1928 the first Type 88 75mm aa gun was made (better range and velocity, etc) and it was the most numerous large aa gun. They had bigger aa guns too, but smaller numbers. One of my sources even says there were only 44 type 11s made. That would make the Japanese Empire pretty difficult to defend with 44 aa guns. This mistake can be easily fixed, if it isn't already.

DIRTY-MAC
09-27-2004, 03:18 PM
some really important planes will be missing
on the PF CD. but that is not because they are not done. It´s because there isnt room on the two CDs for them. so they will come in a patch just after the release.
Read Olegs words:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=3351082422

203Ku_Takasaki
09-27-2004, 03:58 PM
Hmm, we really need the B5N Kate to be flyable. : (

RocketRobin__
09-28-2004, 01:16 AM
Are there any plans for a flyable version of the Haruna?

sopwithkennel
09-28-2004, 06:29 AM
But we had been told that the CAC Boomerang was going to be in the game. I don't see it listed. Thats not fare.

gooneybird71
09-28-2004, 06:57 AM
WooT! Flyable SBD!!!

-Gooney

Ruy Horta
09-28-2004, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
It´s because there isnt room on the two CDs for them. so they will come in a patch just after the release.
Read Olegs words:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=3351082422 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">FILING UNDER PISS POOR EXCUSE...</span>

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I don't care who its from, it just doesn't sound acceptable. PF is a standalone, with a standalone price, simply add another CD.

Ah, that will add to the production cost...

So its actually a case of:

1. get two CDs for the retail price
2. get a couple of a/c in patch
3. get rest of original a/c in add on (extra CD).

Ah, good business!!

NegativeGee
09-28-2004, 11:21 AM
Well, if at some point you felt you were being charged over the odds for your product Ruy, you can always stop buying http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

B.Mamba-DK
09-28-2004, 04:17 PM
I´m so disappointed that B17 or B29 not are on the list of flyable birds. Beside a good dogfight I like to fly big bombers.
Hope they will make a patch where they make it posible to fly them from the cocpit.

VW-IceFire
09-28-2004, 04:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by B.Mamba-DK:
I´m so disappointed that B17 or B29 not are on the list of flyable birds. Beside a good dogfight I like to fly big bombers.
Hope they will make a patch where they make it posible to fly them from the cocpit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Its been said many times here now, even by Oleg...a B-17 or B-24 is a large multiengined bomber with alot of turrets and manned areas. It takes alot of time and resources to model the stations.

We've argued a bit that we'd be happy with just the pilot and bombadier station. But they follow certain standards and we'll leave them to that.

There have been a few hints dropped recently that there *may* be a larger aircraft flyable. But they are conflicting and may not be true. Consider that there are 3 new twin engined medium bombers for flyable plus the Beaufighter which is another twin engined attack plane. Thats VERY good for the ground pounding group.

I had never heard that the CAC Boomerang would be in the game. Where did that come from?

WTE_Tigger
09-28-2004, 07:10 PM
CAC Boomerang

I am praying this makes it to the 1st Patch which promises a number of aircraft, be kinda silly to have new guinea as a map with no FLIABLE CAC Boomerang. Wasn't mentioned as a AI even was it?

S!

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aminx
09-28-2004, 10:01 PM
a forum should be a place like the house of commons where people debate for the improvement
of their society and the government listens and takes note.Here,its been set up in a sleazy bar to keep the ignorant masses busy until dead drunk early in the morning only to then be released to go home for another day.
aminx

Ruy Horta
09-29-2004, 02:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
Well, if at some point you felt you were being charged over the odds for your product Ruy, you can always stop buying http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very true, but I am hooked on the general product and have a couple of extra bucks left (just build myself a new rig to play this*).

But that doesn't stop me from looking through a poor excuse or writing that I don't particularly admire certain methods.

*
Lian Li PC-6070
Zalman ZM400B-APS 400Watt
Gigabyte GA-8ANXP-D, 925X (Sound, LAN, SATA-RAID, 1394)
Intel Pentium 4 550 (S775, 3,4GHz, 800MHz FSB, 1MB, Boxed)
Corsair Twin2X 5400 DDR2, 1024MB PC5400 Kit w/two matched CM2X512-5400C4 Dimms
Sapphire Radeon X800XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express,VGA/VIVO/DVI-I, Retail
Zalman ZM80D-HP
Zalman ZM-OP1
Maxtor 160GB 7200rpm SATA150 8MB FDB
Maxtor 160GB 7200rpm SATA150 8MB FDB
Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm SATA150 8MB FDB
NEC 1.44Mb Floppy Disk Drive Zilver
NEC ND-3500A 16x
LOGITECH UltraX flat
Sony SDM-HS74P Silver 17"
Lian Li 6 in 1 Card Reader
Lian Li C-01A Universal + Lian Li FDD front F-01 Universal
Lian Li 3,5" Thermometer Silver

Though still waiting for the GPU and Mem. which were pre-ordered at the same site. Talk about commitment to play a game.

Cess-Harp
09-29-2004, 02:30 PM
I have been flying this Sim from the very first Demo of Il2 that came out.
And I can say that from the very first you will not know what aircraft will be flyable in the sim to just before the release. That is when they will post the list that works.
I can see from the updates that these list are way out of date, so I am not going to worry till they are ready to put the sim out.
Then I will complain. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GreenBlade111
09-29-2004, 05:29 PM
Regarding the maps---wish the entire Solomons chain was there. Would be fun to reenact the P-38 mission the took out Yamamoto, but looks like no P-38 either--rats.

Snootles
09-29-2004, 05:37 PM
There will be at least two P-38 models in PF, the P-38J and P-38L. They are already in FB.

walsh2509
10-02-2004, 06:30 PM
Not a techie on WWII aircraft , all I wanted to know is do we get to fly japanese and an American torpedo planes...

I loved MS Combat2 not the greatest game ever but I loved it more than the ones over europe. Take off from your carries climb and through broken clouds look out for the wake of ships below .. magic!

The torp runs were great , getting down flying over the top of the waves in to heavy flak!!

Jason Bourne
10-03-2004, 08:05 PM
well, since Oleg and crew seem to still be trying to fix the infamous torpedos, for now we are only gettying the Betty and SBD as torpedo bombers. so untill they work in Torpedo Parameters for a drop, we probaly wont be getting anything else. But there is also a rumor that the first patch will have the TBM, so who knows

DuxCorvan
10-04-2004, 09:07 AM
A Pearl Harbor multiplayer without Fuchida's Kates is gonna be a cr*p. A Pacific sim without TBs? A joke.

All this looks too much like CFS2. Another run-of-the-mill Wildcat-vs-Zero-vs-Hellcat-vs-Frank-vs-Corsair timelined all-over-water Pacific sim.

That's surely enough for newcomers, but does not matches old FB users' expectations.

Only my POV. Kisses.

Rapace-ITA-
10-04-2004, 05:16 PM
&lt;S&gt;UbiRazz

Reaves_42
10-04-2004, 08:29 PM
I know it's been said but all I want is a B-17.
People love to fly it, people love to shoot it.
Theres more than one game based on this plane, it would obviously benefit everyone by making it flyable.

Bearcat99
10-04-2004, 09:57 PM
If you consider the plane set.... AI and flyable )Not to mention the maps and objects)that will be available to those who install PF over FB (probably @90% of us) then it is just a mindboggling array. Finish this thing off with a few more maps of the Eastern and Western front.... maybe a few more AI planes flyable (dreaming of that B-17 still) and this sim and its maker will have a hold on the sim world for years to come. Look what MS did with its inferior products. Unless ther is some major break through in technology and some sim manufacturer other than 1C is right there at the right place and time to fully capitalize on it I see 1C as the company to beat for a long long time in the WW2 flight sim arena.

Atomic_Marten
10-06-2004, 08:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by walsh2509:
Not a techie on WWII aircraft , all I wanted to know is do we get to fly japanese and an American torpedo planes...

I loved MS Combat2 not the greatest game ever but I loved it more than the ones over europe. Take off from your carries climb and through broken clouds look out for the wake of ships below .. magic!

The torp runs were great , getting down flying over the top of the waves in to heavy flak!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree...once I was totally hooked up to that game. Scenery and all... pacific feeling. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

CFS2 was sim without flyable dive bombers, but some file tweaking would allow player to fly those birds. I only remember that I particularly enjoy whilst flying Kate and Wildcat.

I'm only hoping that eventually a few of these initially announced AI only bomber birds would be made flyable.

Rabid_Ice
10-08-2004, 12:25 AM
!LMAO!

Topic title "'WiP' (Work in Progress)plane list for Pacific Fighters"

Ya all make like some list (of possibities) is the final word!

Kinda reminds me of waitin for FB to hit the shelves.

The anticipation is worth the price of the game, gettin and playin the game is the reward. (Unless your talkin about CFS 3, now that was a letdown, in my opinion, although it is still installed. (Kinda strange, when I think about it. I have thought about putting CFS 2 back in, just so I don't have to go buy another Pacific Theatre game to get me to PF. I remember tweakin CFS 1 into a Pacific game. (still a fond memory, that game. Never did try WWII online tho, my bad.)

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actionhank1786
10-08-2004, 01:11 AM
I think if people actually compare PF to any other sim they'll be a lot happier.
Think about how much we're all so spoiled.
We're complaining about a list of flyable planes over 40 in numbers. And more than double that much of new AI units, like ships, vehicles, and planes.
When CFS2 Shipped, it came with what, 8 flyables i think?
And about that many more AI planes.
No one complained. Imagine how many people would swear off PF for good if Oleg said "we're shipping the game with 8 planes, and yeah that's about all we're gonna do...oh and there's maps...and AI and yeah...neat other things, have a blast kids"
Oleg's spoiled us now though, people are complaining that 40 flyable isnt enough.
But for a second consider this, 40 is a lot.
And also, Oleg's said himself, that they couldnt fit all they wanted on 2 CD's, and putting more CD's would drive production costs up, so we'll be getting even more FREE stuff in a patch.
So everyone, just take a second, to be grateful for the fact that Oleg and team are giving you all a Pacific Fighters Buffet.

Dr_shang
10-08-2004, 01:09 PM
The japanese list is clearly smaller than the american list... there are very important japanese plane that are only AI (as the N1K1 J) and others that are simply subversions of flyable aircraft and are AI (see D3A1 and D3A2 or Ki-43I and Ki-43 II)... There are US CVE but no japanese CVL... and ,in the end, there are not flyable torpedo bombers! ...

A Pacific combat aerial simulator without torpedo bombers based-carriers flyable when priority targets are ships... ejem... impressive deception.

Of course... Pacific Fighters is aerial combat simulator, not naval simulator, but when ships are priority targets, ships must have special treatment and attack planes.

Pacific Fighters will be a beautiful and unbalanced game... only for dogfighters. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

redsuzuki31
10-11-2004, 08:13 AM
At the start of the Pacific war Japan went south for Malaya & Singapore which, I see there is a map for. Then down to the Dutch East Indies, the Philippines & on to Papua & New Guinea. In doing so this was done mostly by the Imperial Japanese Army which had its own air core own types aircrafte that flew in it.You only have 3 of these aircraft on list so far if you don't put it in that Ki 43 Oscar & Ki46 Dinah have 2 of each the other is the Ki61 Tony. Then that is not much at all, No Bombers at all the Ki 46 was a Reconnaissance plane at this time & the Ki 61 was not in the front lines before the Japanese were in New Guinea. This game is to much set around the Naval planes & battles. I think there are to many Yank navy planes early on in the war the RAF & RAAF where flying out date Kitthawks of diffrent types The Hurricane IIc made to the RAAF with a special filter for tropical conditions & the Buffalos which is there. I also think you could add a Boomerang,if you can't get a look at one there is still one flying around at a airport in Brisbane. But the main thin is to get Japanese army aircraft up & going. It would also be a good to a have flyable torpeto bombers, how do you hae navel air battles with out that. At Pearl Harbor it was the torpetos that sunk most of the 9 Battleships, not the divebombers. The Kate,Swordfish & the Devastator should all be flyable for this reason.

sopwithkennel
10-22-2004, 06:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by redsuzuki31:
At the start of the Pacific war Japan went south for Malaya & Singapore which, I see there is a map for. Then down to the Dutch East Indies, the Philippines & on to Papua & New Guinea. In doing so this was done mostly by the Imperial Japanese Army which had its own air core own types aircrafte that flew in it.You only have 3 of these aircraft on list so far if you don't put it in that Ki 43 Oscar & Ki46 Dinah have 2 of each the other is the Ki61 Tony. Then that is not much at all, No Bombers at all the Ki 46 was a Reconnaissance plane at this time & the Ki 61 was not in the front lines before the Japanese were in New Guinea. This game is to much set around the Naval planes & battles. I think there are to many Yank navy planes early on in the war the RAF & RAAF where flying out date Kitthawks of diffrent types The Hurricane IIc made to the RAAF with a special filter for tropical conditions & the Buffalos which is there. I also think you could add a Boomerang,if you can't get a look at one there is still one flying around at a airport in Brisbane. But the main thin is to get Japanese army aircraft up & going. It would also be a good to a have flyable torpeto bombers, how do you hae navel air battles with out that. At Pearl Harbor it was the torpetos that sunk most of the 9 Battleships, not the divebombers. The Kate,Swordfish & the Devastator should all be flyable for this reason. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as I know the RAAF only had one Hurricane. Serial number V7476. Used by Nos 2 and 3 Communications Flights.

jocko417
10-22-2004, 10:19 PM
Actionhank:

Couldn't have said it better myself.