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Hawgdog
05-29-2004, 07:31 AM
Which one is the better, meaning newer humpier version? According to the readme file its the M-71, but the 82 seems to take a better pounding and turn ability...just me I'm guessing?

And the clock- haven't checked any other plane but it seems to be stuck on whatever the server has set when you join- I recall the migs, 109's advancing correctly.

And finally, its already starting to happen, I was in a couple of servers (cockpit, open and cockpit w/externals- I search for low ping, not settings) a general LACK of the 185 in the pull down choice- when asked, if I get a reply, its "I dont like it", but the 109Z is still there LOL, ok, find another server is the answer..but its not uber is it? pfffft
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Hawgdog
05-29-2004, 07:31 AM
Which one is the better, meaning newer humpier version? According to the readme file its the M-71, but the 82 seems to take a better pounding and turn ability...just me I'm guessing?

And the clock- haven't checked any other plane but it seems to be stuck on whatever the server has set when you join- I recall the migs, 109's advancing correctly.

And finally, its already starting to happen, I was in a couple of servers (cockpit, open and cockpit w/externals- I search for low ping, not settings) a general LACK of the 185 in the pull down choice- when asked, if I get a reply, its "I dont like it", but the 109Z is still there LOL, ok, find another server is the answer..but its not uber is it? pfffft
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georgeo76
05-29-2004, 07:34 AM
digital clocks are uber

ElAurens
05-29-2004, 07:55 AM
No, the I 185 isn't uber. It's just a good aircraft, and that is the problem. There are large numbers of folks around here who feel that the VVS planes should be nerfed down to "easy target" status. They have this opinion that because the VVS suffered such tremendous losses in the first year of the war, that the VVS aircraft in IL2/FB/AEP are over modelled. What these nimrods always fail to understand is that the average VVS pilot of the early war period had only a few hours of training before being sent to the meat grinder. Hence their poor showing aginast the LW.

Online however, many of us have been flying this sim since the release of IL2, and some for many years prior to that. We virtual pilots have the equivilant of years of combat experience, and that is making the difference.

If the pro-LW hosts want an accurate representation of Barbarossa then I would suggest recruiting some people who have never flown a sim before (preferably with no computer experience of any kind), set 'em in front of a gaming rig, show them how to take off and land, then drop 'em in HyperLobby.

Other wise they should STFU and let the I 185, among others, on their servers.


Oh, and this will be nothing compared to Pacific Fighters. The whining from the USN crowd will make the LW fanbois seem like butterfly chatter. The Japanese are not going to roll over and play dead like many on the PF forum think they will, for the above mentioned reasons.

Nice clock BTW.
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Heavy_Weather
05-29-2004, 07:57 AM
some folks just cant handle losing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Cragger
05-29-2004, 10:43 AM
Or maybe its got something to do with only 2 prototypes having existed and its another fantasy plane just like the 109Z.

Why the 109Z isn't disabled who knows, probably cause it isn't much of a threat.

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DuxCorvan
05-29-2004, 10:49 AM
Yeah, it was more a question of naive tactics, haste crew training -not only pilots but maintenance crews- and low moral.

Don't forget that the more valuable and experienced pilots were those officers who had fought in Spanish Civil War and Manchuria, and had trained Spanish and Chinese crews during those conflicts.

Those experts were massively purged and killed by Stalin's regime in the eve of WW2. When Barbarossa started, the bulk of VVS was a huge mass of newbies instructed by other newbies or officers who got their rank for political reasons, hardly the best trainers. All lessons from China and Spain were forgotten, and tactics remained those rigid ones of early 30s.

Besides, early VVS was equipped with lots of capable but obsolescent aircraft, while the new designs were hastely put into service still plagued with issues and maintained by crews who had almost no training and had never worked with the new types before.

This didn't mean the Soviet aircraft to be so much worst than Luftwaffe ones, they were simply used the wrong way, under harsh circumstances.

But in the final stages of war, Soviet engineering had nothing to envy the German, US or British ones -except for German jet-rocket R+D, but that's the same for all allied nations, and any VVS aircraft -including the earlier types- could manage and win a fight against Luftwaffe, if manned by proper hands, using creative, flexible tactics.

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PBNA-Boosher
05-29-2004, 11:41 AM
I agree. The whines against the VVS are just like the whines of the people who fly Zeros.

"I can't shoot anything down in a Zero, all the other planes are overmodeled!"

The reason why the VVS planes work so well is because we now know which tactics worked. The real VVS pilots had to learn what worked by trial and failure. Failure meant death, not hitting refly. Every time I hear a whine like that I feel it as an insult to those that failed in their trial to find the tactics that worked. It sickens me. It's why I hardly read this board anymore.

NN_EnigmuS
05-29-2004, 11:59 AM
i thing the shame is that Me262 is banned from 1944-45 server lol
and yes i don't want to fly in a 1942 DF with I185,miG3u or a 1945 Df with horten,Bf109Z like historical DF

but if proto allowed why ban the I185 i don't know,they are scarry the only reason lol

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Maj_Death
05-29-2004, 12:01 PM
I don't allow the I-185 in my server and I won't fly in servers that allow it. But that has nothing to do with performance. Only a couple were built and therefore I don't like it in my "simulation." I treat the Mig-3U, Bi-1, YP-80, Bf-109Z and Go-229 the same way.

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Dawg-of-death
05-29-2004, 12:20 PM
No difference the 185 is easily vanquished .....

When hosting a server you must decide on what you like , your team mates like , and even that witch pleases your enemy. But you can't please every one .

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The 185 is always avalible ...........


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Hawgdog
05-29-2004, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cragger:
Or maybe its got something to do with only 2 prototypes having existed and its another fantasy plane just like the 109Z.

Why the 109Z isn't disabled who knows, probably cause it isn't much of a threat.
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Yeah, I wonder.
It saw front line combat testing and would have replaced the La series if it weren't for political rivalry.

Dawg-of-death
05-29-2004, 01:28 PM
I had to go try the 185 online again ......
Dawg fighting nahh, but it did easily accomplish 3 consecutive B-17G kills with its rockets.

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Cragger
05-29-2004, 01:31 PM
Sorry, I'm thinking of the Mikoyan I-211

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Red_Storm
05-29-2004, 01:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
I agree. The whines against the VVS are just like the whines of the people who fly Zeros.

"I can't shoot anything down in a Zero, all the other planes are overmodeled!"

The reason why the VVS planes work so well is because we now know which tactics worked. The real VVS pilots had to learn what worked by trial and failure. Failure meant death, not hitting refly. Every time I hear a whine like that I feel it as an insult to those that failed in their trial to find the tactics that worked. It sickens me. It's why I hardly read this board anymore.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know which tactics work? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but there's only one tactic to use in a VVS aircraft and that's yanking the stick to the left or right and pull back as hard and fast as you can. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VW-IceFire
05-29-2004, 02:23 PM
The I-185 isn't an uber plane at all. Its very good for when it came out (1942) but I'd still choose a Yak-1B instead of a I-185 if given the choice...the Yak-1B is far more manuverable and responsive.

In the 1944/45 servers its a contender which is impressive but its outmatched by half a dozen other fighters that are also present.

Server admins should be ashamed of themselves if they remove the I-185 and not the Mig-3U, 109Z, and other experimental and prototype aircraft that saw limited use. Anyone who got beaten by a pilot in a I-185 was beaten fair and square. If you are running a historical 1942 server and you only want historical 1942 aircraft that served in good numbers then I understand completely.

Otherwise you really do have to wonder...after all, these are likely the same people complaining of bias against them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Cajun76
05-29-2004, 02:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
I agree. The whines against the VVS are just like the whines of the people who fly Zeros.

"I can't shoot anything down in a Zero, all the other planes are overmodeled!"

The reason why the VVS planes work so well is because we now know which tactics worked. The real VVS pilots had to learn what worked by trial and failure. Failure meant death, not hitting refly. Every time I hear a whine like that I feel it as an insult to those that failed in their trial to find the tactics that worked. It sickens me. It's why I hardly read this board anymore.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know which tactics work? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but there's only one tactic to use in a VVS aircraft and that's yanking the stick to the left or right and pull back as hard and fast as you can. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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How blatantly narrow-minded.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif If you've ever done true energy / angles fighting you'd know that's not the case. And "BnZ" is not pure energy fighting, either. But neither "TnB" nor "BnZ" is superior to the other. Both are a form of energy fighting.

"BnZ" uses a wide margin of energy difference, usually altitude converted to speed, to make it work. Kind of a sledgehammer method: brutal and effective. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif


A proper "TnB" fight uses smaller differences in energy states between the a/c, and maneuvers are accomplished to bleed your opponent of energy, while maintaining and/or increasing yours. Not the simple bank and yank you seem to be disparaging, but a dance with knives. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif


Energy fighting is a blend of these two ways, it's somewhere in the middle where the best performance of your a/c and skills reside, and where the weaknesses of both pilot and plane opposing you are exploited. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
05-29-2004, 05:54 PM
Porkyson (sp?) BnZ teh Fb109 with his MiG~3 cos it could not turn but he knew it go very fast. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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CV8_Dudeness
05-29-2004, 06:40 PM
the I-185 is a nice plane

it isnt that dominant that i will run if i see it

a bad pilot can get shot down easy flying one

RedDeth
05-29-2004, 07:57 PM
I-185 isnt all that good. neither is the ki84c. the only prop i ban is the 109z because it just stays up at 10k and drops down once a while and cant be caught by anything. its basically like a lot of the jets.

i allow 185s and kis . cuz theyre easy to kill if your in a spit.

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