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VestigialLlama4
05-17-2015, 04:04 PM
Many of the traditionalist AC fans are against the idea of a 20th Century Setting. After all, why the hell do we need to be in the 20th Century when the Ancient World and whole swathes of the Far East and Africa haven't been covered yet? That was always my thinking too, but at the same time I also think that now that we are 15 years in the 21st Century, the 1900s are starting to become a historical period (at least until 1960 certainly). So I am starting to think that AC can make a 20th Century game, provided its the right era, setting with related cast of historical figures.

As for whether the pillars of AC can adapt, well Parkour as we know it today, happens to be a 20th Century discipline. Social Stealth will necessarily become more complex but I think in the age of forensics a clean kill and rare weapon like the Hidden Blade that can't be identified by the coroner and moreover can't be left on the crime scene will be of considerable use. Firearms exist but gunfights attract witnesses and cops and leave bullet traces on the walls. Also the Assassins will have to make sure that they destroy evidence and cover their tracks and entry/exit, so if anything it will be even stealthier than before. You also have to dispose body or alternatively position it in such a way as to tamper evidence and movement or send a right message. Social stealth will also include vehicle travel, so one must make sure that cars and vehicles blend in and park properly, not tail too suspiciously and so on.

Personally I am starting to wonder if the Ancient World is such a smart idea. Yes historically its nice but you are looking at best two or three story buildings, you are looking at vast countrysides, smaller crowds, slower ships (that have to be rowed by galley slaves...so no Assassin can be a Captain of Ancient Aquila or Jackdaw I'm afraid), fewer choices of weapons. It's on the whole AC3 style cities and crowds. The architecture for climbing and the like will also be mostly invented by developers since the few monuments we have of say, Egypt or Rome/Greece don't give a true picture of how people lived in that time. A 20th Century setting would be more diverse in gameplay, in theory at least, customization of weapons for each target and diverse ways of entry/exit and manipulation. Assassins will be careful to avoid repeating weapons so as not to establish a pattern for investigators and so on. Also more interesting and diverse forms of architecture in style and variety, from amusement parks to movie theatres to casinos.

So I am offering some suggestions for a 20th Century setting, if you have others please add and coment.

For purposes of the poll I have avoided settings already used by AC in all earlier titles (including Chronicles) and announcements, so for America, New York no but Chicago/Detroit yes. No Italy and Turkey either. I have cheated with the Arab Revolt (Syria Palestine was there in AC1).

BananaBlighter
05-17-2015, 04:16 PM
Yeah I agree. I like the 18th century best, but I think they can really pull off a 19th century setting in Syndicate, and if they do it well, why not 20th century. I would like to go to the Russian Revolution if it had to be the 20th century, and seeing as around this time, before Stalin did some major stuff, they were still behind many other countries in terms of industrialization, we can still get a not too modern setting.

Megas_Doux
05-17-2015, 04:19 PM
Boxers Rebellion!!!! I know the majority of it occurred in the late 19th century, however it ended in 1901 :p :

1 China! My favorite place to go because of its architecture and history.
2 The event itself really interests me, besides these guys look boss:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/BoxerSoldiers.jpg

Altair1789
05-17-2015, 04:42 PM
Well I do like the Jazz Age

Shahkulu101
05-17-2015, 06:22 PM
Germany, WW1.

phoenix-force411
05-17-2015, 07:25 PM
Assassin's Creed: Titanic

Would play and draw french girls.

Charles_Phipps
05-17-2015, 08:21 PM
The Modern Day isn't listed.

No more Animus, just taking down Abstergo outside of it.

VestigialLlama4
05-17-2015, 08:28 PM
The Modern Day isn't listed.

The modern day is 21st Century. This poll concerns the 20th Century. Desmond's Story from AC1-AC3 takes place in 2012, Black Flag in 2013, Unity-Rogue in 2014.

I-Like-Pie45
05-17-2015, 10:07 PM
1970s San Francisco
1980s Miami

harsab
05-17-2015, 10:21 PM
oh god no, i don't ever want AC to go that far...we need to go much further back in time next. I'm talking before the 1500's.

Shahkulu101
05-17-2015, 11:31 PM
Scotland during the Thatcher years.

Alternate reality in which she is assassinated, triggering Scottish independence.

SixKeys
05-17-2015, 11:43 PM
1980s.


Helix v.3.0

http://sliptalk.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/19041610/backto16.png

I-Like-Pie45
05-17-2015, 11:53 PM
Scotland during the Thatcher years.

Alternate reality in which she is assassinated, triggering Scottish independence.

ding **** the witch is dead

Shahkulu101
05-17-2015, 11:59 PM
ding **** the witch is dead


http://youtu.be/hZ7BZcBgQew

SixKeys
05-18-2015, 12:05 AM
http://youtu.be/hZ7BZcBgQew

Lmao

DRascal
05-18-2015, 12:52 AM
WE need to go back, back to just After Altair. His piece of Eden cannot be the only shiny thing back then, yes the staff and the jewel I know. What do we have so far? Powerful relics/weapons. Spy/Big Brother device, Anti-Calamity devices to keep the world together, and hmmm I seem to recall there being several such devices to save the world where are they why have they not been located or found? And then we have the all powerful ghost in the machine perhaps some answerer in the past will give us an answer in the present on how to defeat her goal of ruling the lower beings called Humans.

VestigialLlama4
05-18-2015, 02:47 AM
oh god no, i don't ever want AC to go that far...we need to go much further back in time next. I'm talking before the 1500's.

Before the 1500s is AC1 and AC2. It's been done.



WE need to go back, back to just After Altair. His piece of Eden cannot be the only shiny thing back then, yes the staff and the jewel I know. What do we have so far? Powerful relics/weapons. Spy/Big Brother device, Anti-Calamity devices to keep the world together, and hmmm I seem to recall there being several such devices to save the world where are they why have they not been located or found? And then we have the all powerful ghost in the machine perhaps some answerer in the past will give us an answer in the present on how to defeat her goal of ruling the lower beings called Humans.

One advantage of the 20th Century setting, the First-Civ silliness will by necessity be dialed down because the age of mass-media and the like would make it harder to have versimilitude and we'll have something subtle and more meaningful.

GoldenBoy9999
05-18-2015, 02:51 AM
Thanks for this thread! I'm a huge proponent of AC going into the 20th century and it's nice to see others' reactions on it.

My vote is definitely for the Jazz Age. Any AC always needs a good reason to be in a certain setting, (London was a major center of industrialization, hence Syndicate) and it just so happens New York was the largest city in the world for a brief time around the 20's and 30's. We've already seen New York in 2 AC games, but modern New York is nothing like colonial New York and is in my opinion the best place to show off the new century. This footage of Syndicate so far has really reminded me of the 20th century, and I definitely see us going there soon.

I've been playing a lot of Bioshock lately, and it kind got me thinking about a 40's/50's AC, but if I'm honest with myself, I don't think that would really work that well and games like Mafia, Godfather, and L.A. Noire show off that era better. I can really see the 20's working though, and a lot of components of the decade really seem to fit with AC's formula.

If/when we go to the 20th century, I hope it's America. I'm fine with Chicago and maybe even Detroit, but the rest of the world in this time doesn't interest me as much. WW1 is alright, but I don't think a war setting is necessary.

HDinHB
05-18-2015, 03:06 AM
Before the 1500s is AC1 and AC2. It's been done.


Yes, of course, there's nothing left to be done with the whole of human history before 1500. We have to limit our imaginations to the last 300 years instead. At least until after

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/01/ACsummer.jpg

VestigialLlama4
05-18-2015, 03:15 AM
Thanks for this thread! I'm a huge proponent of AC going into the 20th century and it's nice to see others' reactions on it.

Its an idea I've been warming up to, because I think its a bigger story and gameplay challenge to be honest.


My vote is definitely for the Jazz Age. Any AC always needs a good reason to be in a certain setting, (London was a major center of industrialization, hence Syndicate) and it just so happens New York was the largest city in the world for a brief time around the 20's and 30's. We've already seen New York in 2 AC games, but modern New York is nothing like colonial New York and is in my opinion the best place to show off the new century. This footage of Syndicate so far has really reminded me of the 20th century, and I definitely see us going there soon.

Well New York City in the Great Depression was an interesting period certainly, Coney Island, Fire Island and Fiorello La Guardia as Mayor (I can imagine the Assassins allying with him). You have the Statue of Liberty, the Chrysler Building and the Empire State Building, buildings too high and too tall to render 1:1 in present consoles.


I've been playing a lot of Bioshock lately, and it kind got me thinking about a 40's/50's AC, but if I'm honest with myself, I don't think that would really work that well and games like Mafia, Godfather, and L.A. Noire show off that era better. I can really see the 20's working though, and a lot of components of the decade really seem to fit with AC's formula.

If/when we go to the 20th century, I hope it's America. I'm fine with Chicago and maybe even Detroit, but the rest of the world in this time doesn't interest me as much. WW1 is alright, but I don't think a war setting is necessary.

The 20th Century is the American Century for sure. But also kind of overexposed in games as you mention. That's why I like other areas in world history which were fascinating but totally untapped.

I chose Chicago/Detroit because those were centers of Prohibition. Detroit is Henry Ford's kingdom and he's the Templar Grandmaster or something.

One of the problems with the 20th Century setting is simply copyright. If you want say period Jazz music and showtunes or old classic movies in in-game theatres, then you have to pay for rights for it to be convincing. It raises the game's budget over something that's merely part of the open world. In the case of Berlin in the 20s, you have silent films (which are few in number and some of them have no copyright) and a lot of the UFA titles like Metropolis are in the Public Domain, so its a better fit.

Same problem with brands as well. If you want to put Ford Model-T or other Ford cars, you will require licensing and the Ford company will not grant you license if you portray its founder, Henry Ford an anti-semite quasi-collaborator (which he was in real-life but that's not something you are allowed to say). This by the way is the main reason GTA goes for the satirical city-names-changed approach that it does.

VestigialLlama4
05-18-2015, 03:16 AM
We have to limit our imaginations to the last 300 years instead. At least until after

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/01/ACsummer.jpg

William Miles in his younger days...

GoldenBoy9999
05-18-2015, 03:54 AM
Well New York City in the Great Depression was an interesting period certainly, Coney Island, Fire Island and Fiorello La Guardia as Mayor (I can imagine the Assassins allying with him). You have the Statue of Liberty, the Chrysler Building and the Empire State Building, buildings too high and too tall to render 1:1 in present consoles.

The Great Depression is certainly an option, but it's just that, depressing. After Unity and Syndicate's gloomy days, I was hoping we would get a change of pace with the Roaring 20's and its parties. The parties seem like great settings for social stealth, eye candy, and locations to assassinate your target.

But, I do see why the Depression would be a logical choice. There is arguably more plot potential with the populace out of jobs and money, and prohibition as well. The unrest in the 30's is more similar to Unity and would fit well in AC. The 20's are more of a stretch as it was a peaceful time without a large amount of events, but Syndicate gives me hope. It's set in a peaceful time, so it puts the meat of the story in the gangs of London. Ubi could do the same thing with the gangsters in the 1920's which would provide some conflict, but doesn't put the entire city in fear or anything like the French Revolution.

The skyscrapers of the 20th century were a huge architectural achievement and a great reason to go to the 20's or 30's. You say they're too tall to render 1:1, but I could see it happening. First, was the Eiffel tower not rendered in 1:1 in Unity? It's around the same height, so that's not a problem. I guess the climb was pretty scripted, but you're still climbing a 1000 ft tall structure which is all you need to put into the 20th century game. And this would presumably be the 2017 game, or maybe even 2018 so the tech may advanced to a point where we can put these skyscrapers in.


The 20th Century is the American Century for sure. But also kind of overexposed in games as you mention. That's why I like other areas in world history which were fascinating but totally untapped.

I chose Chicago/Detroit because those were centers of Prohibition. Detroit is Henry Ford's kingdom and he's the Templar Grandmaster or something.

There is a significant amount of 20th century American games, but as you can see if you go to the Wikipedia page for ones set in the 20's, there are very few. The only real modern, decent one is Contrast, and that's not an open world. If the 20's were identical to the 40's or 50's, I wouldn't be craving it as much as I am now. I'd say the 20's is an untapped decade in games.

The Prohibition stuff definitely makes sense and I wouldn't mind it, but given the choice I would go with the Jazz Age.


One of the problems with the 20th Century setting is simply copyright. If you want say period Jazz music and showtunes or old classic movies in in-game theatres, then you have to pay for rights for it to be convincing. It raises the game's budget over something that's merely part of the open world. In the case of Berlin in the 20s, you have silent films (which are few in number and some of them have no copyright) and a lot of the UFA titles like Metropolis are in the Public Domain, so its a better fit.


That's interesting; some of my favorite games like Fallout and Bioshock are helped tremendously by their licensed soundtrack. And yes, good Jazz music is one of the main things I'd like to hear on the streets in AC. The original Bioshock had around 25 licensed songs, but Ken Levine does state it was difficult to obtain the licenses for some due to the age. 2K makes huge games, but Ubisoft has its own press conference at E3 and it seems like they would have the funds to get a few good tunes. As a plus, a lot of jazz music doesn't even have lyrics so I could stroll around New York/Chicago listening to Jazz and not be annoyed by the repetitive songs because it's harder to tell the difference when there are no lyrics. I had that problem with Fallout as the same few songs played over and over.

I don't care about the old movies really, as the only game I've ever seen with movies would be RDR. You can listen to Jazz while parkouring and fighting, but sitting down to watch a movie doesn't fit in AC imo.

VestigialLlama4
05-18-2015, 06:12 AM
The skyscrapers of the 20th century were a huge architectural achievement and a great reason to go to the 20's or 30's. You say they're too tall to render 1:1, but I could see it happening. First, was the Eiffel tower not rendered in 1:1 in Unity? It's around the same height, so that's not a problem.

Well the Eiffel Tower in UNITY is a huge cheat. I mean its understandable why they made it that way but its not impressive. It's not really as tall and big to climb as the real would be in 1:1. The main reason is that you had those tactically placed lifts around so you are not actually climbing the Tower to the Top. That's my main grouse with the grappling hook in SYNDICATE, I like to physically feel I am climbing the buildings in an AC game. Putting a grappling hook defeats the purpose of saying climbing Big Ben by hand and foot. When you climb Galata Tower, Giotto's Campanile or one of those huge hills in AC3, you have the tactile sense of digitally grappling the environment. Even REVELATIONS which brought the Hookblade kept that when you climbed Hagia Sophia or Galata Tower.

I mean Wonder Tower in Arkham City, an Art Nouveau building feels bigger than the Eiffel Tower in AC and that's a crying shame in terms of representation. Also they f--ked up the biggest thing about the Eiffel Tower, the leap of faith. It should have been the biggest leap of faith yet its less dizzying and scary than the one on top of the not-Chartres Cathedral in Acre and less of a huge leap and distance than the top of Castel Sant'Angelo (which needs a parachute but I see no reason why Arno couldn't sport one at the top).


I guess the climb was pretty scripted, but you're still climbing a 1000 ft tall structure which is all you need to put into the 20th century game. And this would presumably be the 2017 game, or maybe even 2018 so the tech may advanced to a point where we can put these skyscrapers in.

When I say 1:1, I mean Unity!Notre Dame not Eiffel Tower Time Anomalies. I mean Empire State Building in PS4, full-interiors and exteriors, with working elevators and staircases, top to bottom...1:1, no cheats. Can be climbed via scaffolding, fire-exits, air vents and other stuff inside the building.

No game has really come even close to that kind of density of detail in an open-world game. GTA games are pretty good at street-level feel of the city but Rockstar's overall aesthetic, that lame faux-satire, bad jokes and memes taken from popular movies and TV shows gets stale when they shifted to GTA4 and its gotten worse and worse since.


The Prohibition stuff definitely makes sense and I wouldn't mind it, but given the choice I would go with the Jazz Age.

They did overlap. Speakeasies and Jazz Dives had alcohol after all. I can imagine a speakeasy being a perfect AC HQ, the minute cops/templars come for a raid, everyone turns tables and hides alcohol. Also social stealth is justified, Assassins are bootleggers and the public wants booze so they will totally hide you and not fink you to the cops.


That's interesting; some of my favorite games like Fallout and Bioshock are helped tremendously by their licensed soundtrack. And yes, good Jazz music is one of the main things I'd like to hear on the streets in AC. The original Bioshock had around 25 licensed songs, but Ken Levine does state it was difficult to obtain the licenses for some due to the age. 2K makes huge games, but Ubisoft has its own press conference at E3 and it seems like they would have the funds to get a few good tunes. As a plus, a lot of jazz music doesn't even have lyrics so I could stroll around New York/Chicago listening to Jazz and not be annoyed by the repetitive songs because it's harder to tell the difference when there are no lyrics. I had that problem with Fallout as the same few songs played over and over.

Licensing music is a big problem even for movies. Martin Scorsese when he made Mean Streets, he shot it on a relatively low-budget but a quarter of that went into licensing popular music used in that movie. Same with Goodfellas and Casino.


I don't care about the old movies really, as the only game I've ever seen with movies would be RDR. You can listen to Jazz while parkouring and fighting, but sitting down to watch a movie doesn't fit in AC imo.

That is true. Yeah an Assassin would have little time to watch movies. Music, Painting, Art Galleries and Architecture yes but movies not so much.

TexasCaesar
05-18-2015, 08:49 AM
The Spanish Civil War.

Sushiglutton
05-18-2015, 08:22 PM
World War 2, Berlin 1933-1945.

EmbodyingSeven5
05-18-2015, 09:47 PM
Germany, WW1.

yes.

The_Kiwi_
05-19-2015, 12:35 AM
oh god no, i don't ever want AC to go that far...we need to go much further back in time next. I'm talking before the 1500's.

^^^100%

AngelDiMaria08
05-19-2015, 10:07 AM
I would like it to start with the 1905 Russian revolution which the Tsar crushed spanning the Bolshveik revolution and the Russian Civil war.

Charles_Phipps
05-19-2015, 10:19 AM
I would like it to start with the 1905 Russian revolution which the Tsar crushed spanning the Bolshveik revolution and the Russian Civil war.

I think they're doing that period with the Chronicles.

AngelDiMaria08
05-19-2015, 10:23 AM
no chronicles is 16th century China

Shadow__Hazard
05-19-2015, 10:32 AM
"No 20th Century...1899 is the stopping point."

Looks like things are getting way too modern with the next game. Going any further than Syndicate would just be ridiculous, IMO, and I really don't see how the AC franchise can have much of a future if they don't roll things back a fair bit after AC:S. I mean, for example, it looks like we are already saying goodbye to swordplay in favour of punch-ups and pistols, what's next? Everything that made the series so great can't be carried into such modern settings. We'll probably be driving early model cars in the next game, then soon enough AC will look something like Watch Dogs :rolleyes:

Charles_Phipps
05-19-2015, 10:38 AM
no chronicles is 16th century China

There's three Chronicles games.

One will be in India and the other about Russia.

All starring the AC Expanded Universe's Assassins.

Gin0r
05-19-2015, 11:12 AM
I'd like the games to stay further in the past but I’d also love to learn more about the history of the assassins and templars in the recent past.

Having said that...


The Spanish Civil War.

This! That would be very interesting...
It’s not a well known part of history for most people and there are plenty of people that could very well have been Assassins and Templars. Also: We could meet Orwell and Hemingway.

Hey – the whole Eye Abstergo plan could have been born in that time, giving the Assassin Orwell the idea for 1984 when he learns of it ;-)

Also: Getting into a fistfight with Hemingway would be a must (Fight Club reference)