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LeadSpitter_
05-12-2004, 06:47 PM
anyone know whats going on there with PF and il2fb/aep, the expo has been running since may 10th.

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LeadSpitter_
05-12-2004, 06:47 PM
anyone know whats going on there with PF and il2fb/aep, the expo has been running since may 10th.

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adlabs6
05-12-2004, 11:00 PM
No idea, I've been trying to keep up with the show news when I can, but I've caught nothing on these games yet.

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PBNA-Boosher
05-13-2004, 07:10 AM
777 Burnin AVG's there. CHeck the Netwings dev update forum for some cool PF screens!

ELEM
05-13-2004, 07:22 AM
Some nice shots in this thread on front page!

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=557102704

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Gibbage1
05-13-2004, 09:46 PM
I will post a full update soon.

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

LeadSpitter_
05-13-2004, 09:49 PM
thx gib, I seen burnins pics which are good. Its just nice to know whats going on over there

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Gibbage1
05-13-2004, 10:09 PM
I took some video also. Very good stuff. Downloading it from the camera now. I also found some other stuff of interest to the IL2 comunity.

Here is something JUCY to hold you over for a little.

http://www.gibbageart.com/images/x5201.jpg

Gib

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

LeadSpitter_
05-13-2004, 11:36 PM
they could have done so much better with that x52 like add 3 buttons between both rotaries on the trottle. Have 4 rotarys and the base of the trottle along with buttons.

Option for twist rudder with the stick, and a tighting/locking twist feature. Have a two buttons on the left of the stick at your finger tips.

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Gibbage1
05-13-2004, 11:54 PM
Dude. Are you EVER satisfied?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
they could have done so much better with that x52 like add 3 buttons between both rotaries on the trottle. Have 4 rotarys and the base of the trottle along with buttons.

Option for twist rudder with the stick, and a tighting/locking twist feature. Have a two buttons on the left of the stick at your finger tips.

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/newsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

LeadSpitter_
05-14-2004, 12:32 AM
nope, I would make a good beta tester right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EA MCO motorcity online beta
Pioneer activision COD beta
Cornered RAT WWII Online beta

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Athosd
05-14-2004, 12:46 AM
Hi Gibbage

Concerning the x52 - I've seen plenty of references to the twist axis rudder but nothing that confirms removal of the throttle's rudder bar.
Did you get a chance to see if it has in fact been removed?
And if so did you get an opportunity to test the twist axis motion?

Cheers

Athos

Afreaka
05-14-2004, 01:40 AM
"watch this" on france simulation. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
http://www.france-simulation.com/vid/pf.htm
ohhh, you have already seen it. O well I was just trying to be informative. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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apex.
05-14-2004, 05:03 AM
Very nice videos. Especially the one where he loose his tail.

Dimensionaut_
05-14-2004, 06:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
nope, I would make a good beta tester right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EA MCO motorcity online beta
Pioneer activision COD beta
Cornered RAT WWII Online beta

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/newsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...and also one causing more delays. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Gibbage1
05-14-2004, 11:59 AM
Actually, no. You would be fired quickly. As a beta tester, you dont whine and moan about little things. Beta testers report about things like bombs not exploding, not stuff like water color being off, or the clouds not being poofy enough.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
nope, I would make a good beta tester right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EA MCO motorcity online beta
Pioneer activision COD beta
Cornered RAT WWII Online beta

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/newsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

lil_labbit
05-14-2004, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
nope, I would make a good beta tester right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EA MCO motorcity online beta
Pioneer activision COD beta
Cornered RAT WWII Online beta

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/newsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I also think "wrong" LS, if you differ in opinion read this:
http://diabloii.net/xpbeta/2-beta-test.shtml
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BaldieJr
05-14-2004, 12:23 PM
Ok, when the hell can I buy that damned x52??!?

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

</pre>

LeadSpitter_
05-14-2004, 12:38 PM
look at the job they are doing now gib, seems theres no organization just a email address that two people look at. it doesnt let people know which bugs have been reported. A private forum with 10-15 mods to filter out all the same reports would be ideal instead of a email address beta testers dont get to see which issues 1c is currently working on or have been reported. Maybe it is but thats how the other companies do it.

Watch your comments to I have a hi-res pic of your BIG head looking out a bomber window http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And what do I complain about that is not true?

all dive speeds are very similiar
compressibilty issues needed for all aircraft
.50 cal dispersion
.303 strenght
mg131 and other german small cal
hurricane ordinances
roll rate of the yaks ki84 190s p40 p47

ho229s manuverability, you know all early flying wings had the tendency to nose over in a unrecoverable stall if you ever looked at data of us flying wings

Decreased reverse roll rate

needing a pilot kill online to down a p11 j8m cr42

better FMB

accelaration issues of the bf110 109z 109s off the ground

me262 is beating the dora and ta152 off the ground

190a4 a5 a8 p47 broken gunsite from 1 hit every time.

weakness of the p47 dm

weakness of the b17 compaired to the pe8 tb3 and condor

cannons are more accurate and easier to aim at distance then small cal becuase you can see then tracer at 1000m+

No rich mix performance of US aircraft under 3000m, if you remember oleg stated 120 mix = 10% extra trottle

p51d elevator effectiveness, basically same design as the 190, both aircraft had very similiar elevator response as gunther rall and bud anderson stated.

Wooden aircraft take more damamge then most heavily armors aircraft like the p47 and 190.

On discovery wings they had a special about the yak9u and why it was an all aluminum aircraft with absolutely no wooden parts. 1 ability to take more damage, ability to take more stress in high G manuvers, ability to achieve dive speeds faster then 650k.ph

they also had tupelovs tests on alloys from a crashed ju52, yakoloevs inspection of the 190 engine which he used the technologies for the la5

I think thats it

the only whines I made are about patch information and admit they are full whines.


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[This message was edited by LeadSpitter_ on Fri May 14 2004 at 12:00 PM.]

Gibbage1
05-14-2004, 01:16 PM
Lol. Do you actually think being on 3 open beta's qualifies you as a professional beta tester? No. Not even close. I myself have been in open betas for Warbirds 1, 2 and 3, Air warrior 1 2 and 3, Aces High, and almost every other online game. I have worked at Interplay as a beta tester (QA) for almost a year and have my name in titles such as Fallout Tactics, Baulders Gate 2, Sacrifice, Starfleet Command II, and many others. I have beta tested Aces, FB, and many patches. I send my findings DIRECTLY to Oleg, and he tends to respond rather quickly.

As for your list of "problems", I think most will or have been addressed in the next patch.

Also, remember that this is also a flight sim according to Oleg, not according to Leadspitter. EVERYONE has a differant version of what such aircraft should fly like, or how things should take damage. Crying about it wont help. Finding proof that your version is correct will. Thats one of things I do when I submit a bug is colled proof that it is a bug. Like one in Aces was the Spitfire prop rotating the wrong way. I colledted a few pics of the spitfires prop and its pitch. Also, the P-38's toughness. I sent Oleg about 30 differant photo's of P-38's shot up and made it home.

If you want something changed, dont just cry about it. Prove it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Ok, when the hell can I buy that damned x52??!?

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

</pre><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Ballbuster1
05-14-2004, 01:20 PM
I will agree with Gibbage on this one. Prove it, or it just looks like a bunch of whinning. LS I've noticed you have been a tad bit unhappy with FB lately. I trust after this patch you will feel better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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05-14-2004, 01:32 PM
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lil_labbit
05-14-2004, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ballbuster1:
I will agree with Gibbage on this one. Prove it, or it just looks like a bunch of whinning. LS I've noticed you have been a tad bit unhappy with FB lately. I trust after this patch you will feel better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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That would be a... well... first?... http://members.home.nl/lil.labbit/smiley/grab_3.gif

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Busysilent1
05-14-2004, 02:11 PM
Gibbage,
Are you still working on your E3 report? Have you posted it someplace else?

Gibbage1
05-14-2004, 02:18 PM
Its going to be a Netwings thing. Neil needs to post it. I hope he post's it today. Sorry.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Busysilent1:
Gibbage,
Are you still working on your E3 report? Have you posted it someplace else?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Busysilent1
05-14-2004, 02:26 PM
Thanks for the heads up on upcoming article. While we are waiting for it, did you see/hear everything you expected or you learned something new and exciting?

Did you see other games like PT Boats (with your Catalina in it)?

LeadSpitter_
05-14-2004, 03:14 PM
they were all closed betas btw after 6 months mco was the only to go open beta, i have been apart of many open betas too.

your comment made me laugh beta testers are suppost report things like bombs not exploding not clouds being poofy or water color. Hmm last time i checked they changed the pacific maps water color.

Everything I said is the truth and would post the sources, but being in the forums its a waste of time to type up and scan all the documents from my books, the one with the most information is Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War II
by Leonard Bridgman its cheap i suggest you pick it up.

all the games you mentioned were open betas, professional beta tester first time I ever heard of that one.

Look at buzzu and skychimp they posted more sourced data then anyone in these forums and its fallen on def ears. Same with robban75's gun tests, dive speed and accelaration tests.

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Gibbage1
05-14-2004, 03:48 PM
I looked, but I did not find anything out there. There were a lot of WWII type FPS. I like the Metal of Honor searies and the next add-on (There finest Hour?) will feature a B-17. You can man each gun. Also you can leave the gun and run around the B-17 as its in flight! Not at all historical, but cool. Very cool. Plus I saw the new X52. Looks hela-good.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Busysilent1:
Thanks for the heads up on upcoming article. While we are waiting for it, did you see/hear everything you expected or you learned something new and exciting?

Did you see other games like PT Boats (with your Catalina in it)?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Gibbage1
05-14-2004, 04:09 PM
Go play CFS3, and then put some suggestions into there developers. See how far you get. OK? Im sure you can find a few things wrong there.

The fact is nobody can get everything perfect. Thats what patches are for! Please name any other stand-alone flight sim that has had this kind of support.

CFS3 had only 1 patch, and it only addressed minor things like level bombers trying to dive bomb. Were IL2 adds aircraft, and addresses MANY issues.

I think you just spoiled. But if you try any other sim out there you will see that IL2 is the best, and to whine about it is like looking a gift horse in the mouth.

P.S. With what I saw in Pacific, I honestly think there is enough to deserve it being a new product. And no it wont "devide" this "fragile" comunity. Forgotten Battles did not devide us, nor did Aces. Nor will PF, and nor will BoB.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Look at buzzu and skychimp they posted more sourced data then anyone in these forums and its fallen on def ears. Same with robban75's gun tests, dive speed and accelaration tests.

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/newsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Tully__
05-14-2004, 10:41 PM
Gib, LS, can you take the intricacies of closed beta test programs to a private medium please http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Gibbage1
05-14-2004, 11:00 PM
Are you STILL a moderator?

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Tully__
05-14-2004, 11:22 PM
Yep http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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