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SECUDUS
01-31-2004, 05:04 PM
And 'Why'

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SECUDUS
01-31-2004, 05:04 PM
And 'Why'

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JZG_Winter
01-31-2004, 05:10 PM
I might be slightly biased, as I live 5 miles from RAF scampton, but the Lanc wins every time for me.

Higher bombload, more stable, and better defensive armament (if i remember correctly)

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MB_Avro
01-31-2004, 05:21 PM
The Halifax....

If you were a crew member...you had a better chance of bailing out than in a Lancaster.

Both aircraft had virtually no armour plate for the seven-man crews as the RAF believed that it was more important to carry as many bombs as possible. They had half the number of defensive guns compared to a B17 and were about half the calibre (0.303 v 0.5 inch).

The Lancaster could carry up to a 22,000 lbs bombload.

I'm reading 'To Hell and Back' by Mel Rolfe which recounts the experiences of these crews. Suggested reading for all with an interest.

Regards
MB_Avro

SECUDUS
01-31-2004, 05:39 PM
http://mysite.freeserve.com/Endodontics/Whirlwind/HaliCut.jpg?0.98479392054083

There...She did'nt seek publicity and was'nt a propaganda icon, she was built to last and built well, from the rain and mud of Yorkshire airfields to the baking sun of North Africa, from Europe to the Middle East...She was there!
Born from a firm of design excellence, a great a/c to begin with to a superb one at the end, an a/c of all seasons and scenario's, serving with many and bringing them home again and again...There's no contest, Halifax, do a job and bring them home, time after time!

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Tempestate
01-31-2004, 11:36 PM
at night that is http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cajun76
01-31-2004, 11:41 PM
Why did you ask if you already decided well in advance? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif Personally, I'd pick the Lanc. Ever since I read "The Dam Busters" I've liked it. I even spent some cash for the CFS2 mod/expansion "The Dam Busters" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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HellToupee
01-31-2004, 11:43 PM
landcaster, its really the grandslam that dose it, much like the pe8 and that 5000kg monster.

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Cajun76
02-01-2004, 12:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HellToupee:
landcaster, its really the grandslam that dose it, much like the pe8 and that 5000kg monster.

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Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Tempestate
02-01-2004, 12:40 AM
I'd like to fly either.

Preferably one of the ones with a belly turret

kNOWON
02-01-2004, 09:34 AM
Hello,

Statisically, as a percentage, more aircrew got out of the Halifax than the Lancaster. Halifax crews were very enthusiastic about them and said they prefered them to the Lanc.

This I read quite recently in a book I borrowed from the library, which if I can remember I'll get out again and give some figures.

Patrick M.

kNOWON
02-01-2004, 09:41 AM
Hello,
Incidently regarding those who fancied the ventral turret on the Lanc should bear this in mind. It was very prone to failure and one faillng in particular was that, in the event of hydraulics failure, the occupant could not get out! This had serious repercussions when a belly landing had to be made. The usual practice was to disconnect the intercom to the turret.

The turret did not have a long career and was withdrawn very quickly.

Patrick M.

Boandlgramer
02-01-2004, 10:11 AM
i dont know, what is the best bomber of these two.
according " British Warplanes of WW2" "
some statistic:
- for 132 tons of bombs droped over enemy hold territorium, 1 Lancaster was lost
- for 56 tons/ 1 halifax
- for 41 tons/ 1 stirling

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NegativeGee
02-01-2004, 12:11 PM
As a heavy bomber, Lancaster.

Although (as previous posters have pointed out) the chances of the crew escaping were poor compared to the Halifax, the Lancaster was a much more efficient way of moving a given weight of bombs to a target area, so presented a much better investment in resources.

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Gunther Rall

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Old_Canuck
02-01-2004, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MB_Avro:
The Halifax....

... I'm reading 'To Hell and Back' by Mel Rolfe which recounts the experiences of these crews. Suggested reading for all with an interest...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TY for the reading tip. Just started "Lancaster to Berlin" by Walter Thompson.

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MiloMorai
02-01-2004, 04:50 PM
The square fin/rudders on the Hali fixed its flight problems.

The radials fitted to the Hali had an advantage over the Merlins(damage).

I would say the Hali, even though my name-sake did not return from a mission while in one. Disappeared with no trace on a mission to Essen with 6 x 500 lb MC bomb, 1 x 2000 lb HC bomb and 5 x 1000 lb SAP bomb onboard.


The belly turret was replaced by the H2S radar.



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MB_Avro
02-01-2004, 04:59 PM
A good friend of my father was a Halifax pilot..

He met an early death after the war through beer and women...

Would this have happenned if he had been a Lancaster pilot??

(I feel a new topic approaching)

Regards
MB_Avro

Urist
02-01-2004, 08:20 PM
My Great Uncle was a tail gunner in a Halifax, he never talked about it much but he did seem to like the plane.

They got shot down and he ended up spending the rest of the war in a Prison Camp.

I asked him once for school prjoect I was doing on the war what it was like bailing out.

"Dark"

I didn't dare ask him about being a pow though.

SodBuster43
02-01-2004, 08:32 PM
Darn it, someone needs to start modeling the Halifax and the Lancaster and expedite them so we get them in one of the final patches http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif