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Hortenbrothers
03-01-2004, 07:29 PM
After WW2 they captured it, where is it being stored currently?

Hortenbrothers
03-01-2004, 07:29 PM
After WW2 they captured it, where is it being stored currently?

necrobaron
03-01-2004, 07:33 PM
The NASM,I think.

"Not all who wander are lost."

Hortenbrothers
03-01-2004, 07:36 PM
is it open to view to the regular public?

DONB3397
03-01-2004, 07:37 PM
Do we have a museum to store it in FB? What kind of missions will we design for this?

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SkyChimp
03-01-2004, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hortenbrothers:
is it open to view to the regular public?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Go-229 is at the NASM's Garber Facility:

http://www.aviation-history.com/garber/vgarb.html

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Hartmann.
03-01-2004, 07:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DONB3397:
Do we have a museum to store it in FB? What kind of missions will we design for this?

Winning isn't everything;
It's the only thing!
http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/3fe77b7e_1812a/bc/Images/Sig---1.jpg?BCWF8PAB24YqLZQo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes, Sturmbock? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

DONB3397
03-01-2004, 11:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hartmann.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DONB3397:
Do we have a museum to store it in FB? What kind of missions will we design for this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, Sturmbock? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It was a joke. I can be more direct: this plane is little more than an interesting curiosity, a technical exercise. It has beautiful lines and must have represented a quantum leap in technology. But, in my view, it's a waste of disk space in FB. One has to go to a museum to find a cockpit. I can't imagine how the FM was varified. It flew no meaningful missions that I can find.

The Komet, Mistel and He-162 Salamander, on the other hand, are novel aircraft, but they were engaged in at least limited combat. If I find them in the air, I'll know their strengths and weaknesses; those are well-documented. That's not true with the 229.

This isn't to say the modeler did anything wrong. It appears to be a very well modelled plane; it looks like the rare pictures I've seen. Possibly the FM designers had references, as well.

My question is why?

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PBNA-Flanker
03-01-2004, 11:09 PM
why not?

CdtWeasel
03-01-2004, 11:58 PM
The garber facility is currently closed to public viewing. Eventually that whole collection will be at then new Udvar Hazy center. They have the Norten flying wing prototype there, and a FW-190 (forget the mk) and a AR-296 blitz jet bomber so that makes up for it. That and the Horten wing hasnt been restored yet.

necrobaron
03-02-2004, 12:45 AM
They also have one of my favs,the Do-335 Pfeil.

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BlindHuck
03-02-2004, 02:28 AM
I'm thinkin' the 229 will be too yaw unstable to shoot at anything but bomber formations. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif It's hard for me to think of it as a dogfighter. I saw it at Garber several years ago, type of construction looked primitive, like anyone could build one at home (though lofting it correctly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif OMG, that o so critical shape). The 229V2 flew quite a bit but even with fixed gear displayed a certain yaw neutrality unworthy of a NAZI plane (the feuhrerr is very unhappy!) and it will be . . . something to see how it's modeled. (I've got a million scripted whines ready for any eventuality http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

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MandMs
03-02-2004, 04:47 AM
The V2 had what was called a Dutch Walk problem. This was a 9 sec side to side occillation. Reimer thought a good pilot could overcome this but Walter thought a vertical fin and rudder would be the fix.


BlindHuck, the inclusion of NAZI in your post is not needed.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif



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Magister__Ludi
03-02-2004, 04:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MandMs:
The V2 had what was called a _Dutch Walk_ problem. This was a 9 sec side to side occillation. Reimer thought a good pilot could overcome this but Walter thought a vertical fin and rudder would be the fix.


BlindHuck, the inclusion of _NAZI_ in your post is not needed.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I eat the red ones last.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes Go-229 suffered from poor yaw authority, poor roll and possibly Dutch Roll. Other than that pilots agreed that it handled very well.

I also doubt it can be used as a dogfighter.

DeerHunterUK
03-02-2004, 05:08 AM
The Go-229 is not stored anywhere.The US Air Force painted them black and redesignated them B-2a stealth bombers.I'm not fooled for a minute, why do you think there's not too many 'stealth bombers' in service? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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MandMs
03-02-2004, 05:21 AM
I would be interested in those other pilots that flew the V2. Afaik, only Ziller did so. The Horten test pilot, Scheidhauer was not licensed for 2 engines a/c.

Walter also commented that after flying the V1 glider that it would not be a stable gun platform - much training time and piloting skill would be required to overcome this, of which Germany did not have the luxury of. There was even a worry the Horton would be abandoned if the Dutch Roll problem could not be fixed. The Hortens stated after the war that most likely a vertical fin and rudder would have been tested.

Dutch Roll = Dutch Walk does it not?.



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BlindHuck
03-02-2004, 11:56 AM
The 262 had a problem (same as the Meteor) of snaking at high speed. German's got it ironed out up to 0.82 mach. Compressibility effect snaking shouldn't add to 229's yaw problems, though. :indiff:

Gettin' mine tomorrow :tongue:.

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MandMs
03-02-2004, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by BlindHuck:
The 262 had a problem (same as the Meteor) of snaking at high speed. German's got it ironed out up to 0.82 mach.

And high did they do that? They did not know before the a/c flew and the design did not change.



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