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IVJG51_Swine
08-05-2004, 04:43 PM
Pretty cool http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/

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IVJG51_Swine
08-05-2004, 04:43 PM
Pretty cool http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/

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IVJG51_Swine
08-05-2004, 04:50 PM
It's a little overpriced though...

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Taylortony
08-05-2004, 04:54 PM
seen em in real life, infact have a pic somewhere of the fuselage done at North Weald last year......... first thing i would have done was replace the pops with some solids........... looks a heck of a lot more professional and i can whack em in just as fast

BaldieJr
08-05-2004, 04:54 PM
Wow, its just as ugly as a real spitfire!

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ASM 1
08-05-2004, 04:58 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also there's something about the engine cowling/nose that just doesn't look "right"

Also 240hp? bah the originals had almost 10 times that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

otherwise, very nice !

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JG7_Rall
08-05-2004, 05:11 PM
240 hp isn't that bad, there's a lot that that plane isn't carrying that the original spit did. And you aren't exactly looking to go fight off the Luftwaffe either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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BigC208
08-05-2004, 05:17 PM
It would be fun to use the cockpit section as the starting point for a homebuilt sim cockpit

IV_JG51_Prien
08-05-2004, 05:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also there's something about the engine cowling/nose that just doesn't look "right"

Also 240hp? bah the originals had almost 10 times that

otherwise, very nice !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, also keep in mind that these kit planes are a wee bit smaller than the original aircraft as well.

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Vladimir_No2
08-05-2004, 06:22 PM
It only goes 150 knots...blast!

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Korolov
08-05-2004, 07:04 PM
Still not as expensive as the 3 to 5k asked for the Fw-190s. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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horseback
08-05-2004, 07:05 PM
A while back, someone posted a link to 'Thunder Mustangs', I think it was, they did a similar 3/4 scale Mustang replica which had used a more pwerful engine, but it was a single seater...and it was pricey too.

cheers

horseback

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zombie-9
08-05-2004, 11:09 PM
I would really like to see that bird at my local airport. Please tell me they do 109's also! Would be SWEEEEEEEEET!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

woofiedog
08-06-2004, 01:44 AM
In a Popular Mechanic's Mag a while back... I'm talking years... they had a guy in the States that had built a Mini-Fw 190 and it had roughfully the same spec's.
But this Spit is one Very Nice machine! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif
I watch someone that has one of the Acrobatic Bi-Planes practising on most good week ends... from my front yard. He does some beautiful Hammer head's and rolls and he's getting better.
But maybe someone has a flight video of this Spitfire doin it's stuff???
Thank's for the Link!

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THBF109
08-06-2004, 02:54 AM
There is loads of replica aircraft around the world. Some are big and powerfull some small and slow, some builders have focused to detail and their ac look just like the original. But in all cases they are great fun for their owners.

I've noticed that the one biggest thing to affect the looks, whether it looks original or not is engine choice. This affect the shape of the cowling and radiator placement.

I do have the plans, building licence, building permits, tools and some training to build a Bf-109G6 replica and I hope to finally start this year (started planning this when i was 12).

The scale is 3/4, weight compared to original is 30% and engine power will be around 400hp. Va:300kph, Vd:644kph.

And, yes they can take G: here they load test Spit wings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.marcel-jurca.com/MJ10/MJ10_Haug/MJ10_Haug_25_a.jpg

Approximate building time: 5000h so not flying any time soon.

There is many manufacturers for kits but you can also, like me, build one from scratch using detailed plans.

I choose M. Jurcas design: http://www.marcel-jurca.com/en/accueil_en.htm but there are many other options available. Also WWI fighters and one popular thing is Fiesler Storch replicas which are very handy in rough terrain.

PS. I also do own plans and building lisence for Fw-190A http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Maybe in distant future...

EDIT: fixed typos

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[This message was edited by THBF109 on Fri August 06 2004 at 01:00 PM.]

Rab03
08-06-2004, 04:13 AM
Without original power, it just isn't it. You cannot get warbird feeling in a scaled down replica that cruises at 150kt.

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THBF109
08-06-2004, 04:36 AM
Yeah http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif $1-3M price tag with $13000/hour operating costs keep most guys out of the original warbirds.

BTW, cruising speed for Hurricane I is 146 knots if going for max range.

Huh, i would not want to get cought flying any of these Jurca replicas, it would be so depressing not to mention embarassing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://www.marcel-jurca.com/MJ7/77_0x_USA_Beautifuldoll/MJ77_BDoll_01_a.jpg
http://www.marcel-jurca.com/MJ10/MJ100_Dubois/MJ100_Dubois_02a.jpg
http://www.marcel-jurca.com/MJ12/MJ12_Moynagh/MJ12_P40_Moynagh_01_a.jpg

[This message was edited by THBF109 on Fri August 06 2004 at 04:10 AM.]

THBF109
08-06-2004, 09:35 AM
I took a look at the Supermarine aircraft spit replica, here are my observations:

Supermarine Mk26
Power: 240hp
Weigth: 2-seater 750Kg, 1-seater 544Kg
Cruise: 160kt

Lets compare it to real Spit but take model XIV which is pretty powerfull:
Power: 1700hp
Weight: 3310kg
Cruise: 243kt

So, the Mk26 has
- 14% of the hp
- the 1-seater weights 16% of the original
- and the 2-seater model cruises at 66% of the original (1-seater cruise not given, maybe same?)

I would say that is not so bad for a homebuild aircraft and i suspect the performance is quite all right for a civilian sport plane if we compare it for example Spit MKIIB (1175hp/2850kg). It actually has better power to weight ratio in this latter case http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BM357_TinMan
08-06-2004, 09:48 AM
Is there something like this out there for any of the 109 varients?

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jenikovtaw
08-06-2004, 09:53 AM
It doesnt even have the same wing or same aerodynamics.

Bah, "tis a disgrace.

Bah!

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hughlb2
08-06-2004, 11:07 AM
Personally I don't like it, if I was going for something that looked like a spit, i'd much prefer this one (cheaper toohttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

http://www.silence-aircraft.de/Data/sl-ewald-4.jpg

I heard on the news a few years back that a company was making spitfires again, exact replicas, and selling them to keen buyers for around 4-6 mil. Anybody have any information on this?

Taylortony
08-06-2004, 11:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BM357_TinMan:
Is there something like this out there for any of the 109 varients?

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Yes there is, a full size version, see

http://members.tripod.com/~SOARR/index.html

for spit ones see
http://www.spitfirebuilder.4t.com/photo.html

there are also a couple of full size flying 109 fibreglass in the states but they will not release the drawings because of liability laws, had the link somewhere but lost it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif oh just found it enjoy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.web-birds.com/miller/

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BM357_TinMan
08-06-2004, 12:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Taylortony:
Yes there is, a full size version, see

http://members.tripod.com/~SOARR/index.html

there are also a couple of full size flying 109 fibreglass in the states but they will not release the drawings because of liability laws, had the link somewhere but lost it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif oh just found it enjoy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.web-birds.com/miller/

http://www.fighterworld.com.au/projects.htm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woe, now THAT would be cool http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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THBF109
08-06-2004, 01:57 PM
Tinman, if you read the thread at all you would have not needed to ask. I told only couple of replies before your question that I _will_ be building one (Bf109 replica).

The Soarr - aircraft is also one of Jurca designed replicas I was talking about. It is the MJ-90 1:1 replica but they choose engine that needs a bit different lower cowling than the original. also the prop they used is a bit small compared to original. Like I said I will be building a 3:4 variant called MJ-9.

BTW. Marcel Jurca flew ground attack aircraft during the war in Romanian af.

Look at the Jurca link I posted, there is many pictures of warbird replicas made after his plans.

The Dakota ME's, ie those 109 glassfibre replicas, were, according to builder not very successfull. The structure was heavy and there remained some problems they didn't manage to solve.

EDIT: fixed some grammar

[This message was edited by THBF109 on Fri August 06 2004 at 04:01 PM.]

BM357_TinMan
08-06-2004, 02:23 PM
I did read most of the posts (not sure how I missed yours lol), they were mostly about why it is/isn't a good thing, so I skimmed to the bottom and posted what I did.

Cheers

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