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Charles_Phipps
05-14-2015, 05:28 PM
The opening trailer talks about how the rich oppress the poor and how none of their vast wealth goes down to the common people. However, the premise of the game is that you're taking over a bunch of street gangs territory in order to build your own little Empire which you get to rule over like the Boss in Saints Row. Street gangs which, traditionally, do not make their money by being nice guys as we see in AC: Rogue.

The opponents are also fellow poor people who are Templars, not, say, Queen Victoria or her husband.

Will our heroes be portrayed as correct in their actions or is this going to show the Assassins have misplaced priorities?

Will they perhaps be corrupted by the allure of power themselves?

What's your speculation?

Hans684
05-14-2015, 05:52 PM
The opening trailer talks about how the rich oppress the poor and how none of their vast wealth goes down to the common people.

A common AC trailer, nothing unusual.


However, the premise of the game is that you're taking over a bunch of street gangs territory in order to build your own little Empire which you get to rule over like the Boss in Saints Row.

Street gangs that is quote(by Jacob): "paid by the Templars, a slight difference". So we take over Templar paid gangs that do terrorize the city. If we follow the creed we should sloughed all of them.


Street gangs which, traditionally, do not make their money by being nice guys as we see in AC: Rogue.

We are taking over thugs, the criminal underground. The same lead by Templars, so we take them over, then what? Are they suddenly stoping the things they do? They already have done a lot to be considered worthy a death sentence by the Assassins. Suddenly changing leaders won't make them more good when they already are at the bottom of the barrel.


The opponents are also fellow poor people who are Templars, not, say, Queen Victoria or her husband.

We will kill people who follow the people that pays them and take them over.


Will our heroes be portrayed as correct in their actions or is this going to show the Assassins have misplaced priorities?

It's Yolahem that's the writer so expect another fan-fiction with a black and white story.


Will they perhaps be corrupted by the allure of power themselves?

Jacob and Evie has different ideas of how to use the gangs. So Jacob might get corrupt since he care less for the creed than she does.


What's your speculation?

I've said mine. It's based on everything we know so far.

Shahkulu101
05-14-2015, 05:54 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if this point is brought up by a felled Templar in a white room speech (presuming those are brought back).

VestigialLlama4
05-14-2015, 06:39 PM
The opening trailer talks about how the rich oppress the poor and how none of their vast wealth goes down to the common people. However, the premise of the game is that you're taking over a bunch of street gangs territory in order to build your own little Empire which you get to rule over like the Boss in Saints Row. Street gangs which, traditionally, do not make their money by being nice guys as we see in AC: Rogue.

The opponents are also fellow poor people who are Templars, not, say, Queen Victoria or her husband.

We don't know what kind of gang these ROOKS are to be honest. Street gangs don't necessarily have to be bad you know. In the 1930s, there was a street gang in London called the Yiddishers, composed of children of Jewish immigrants, and they fought Oswald Mosley's Fascist thugs on the streets.

The problem is that the street gangs in SYNDICATE previews are definitely not native to London. London had a poverty problem at the time, they had issues of third-world living side-by-side with first-world life but there wasn't as much of a street gang culture, or say full on gang-on-gang brawls that we see here on streets of London, and street gangs definitely didn't run boroughs of London. What we see in SYNDICATE is Gangs of New York transplanted to London. Charles D-ckens visited New York during the Five Points era and he came back and said, "You thought London was bad, its nothing compared to new york, those guys make us look like angels" well obviously he said that in far better prose than I can muster.

The thing is gang culture was there in the 1700s in London and periodically it crops up later but its never a very big deal in London. Gang culture and street gangs as a political force are there in the absence of political institutions like was there in New York in the 19th Century. But London was fairly urbanized and improved by the Victorian Era. The real unrest in Victorian Era was workers unions.


Will our heroes be portrayed as correct in their actions or is this going to show the Assassins have misplaced priorities?

Will they perhaps be corrupted by the allure of power themselves?

What's your speculation?

It all depends on what can be called the "Elephant in the Room"...KARL MARX.

He was in London during the Victorian era. Das Kapital, Part 1 was published in 1867, year before SYNDICATE's story (1868) and what Jacob Frye says in the trailer is essentially a paraphrase of Marx, "the working class walks through life unaware of the machine that drives them." The trailer of SYNDICATE also has a shot of the British Museum, that was Karl Marx' stomping round where he did his research for his economic ideas. Now Marx was totally opposed to street gangs, he said they were lumpenproletariat, criminals who essentially serve capitalist interests by parasitically leeching of the working man so it would be interesting and wacky how Ubisoft will handle him. After UNITY, I can say they will show him as a Templar because Karl Marx is a "bad guy of history" as far as American popular culture goes. This despite him being an anti-racist, pro-colonial independence, pro-Union during the Civil War and a Lincoln fanboy, but you know what matters is reaffirming hard-maintained cultural memes for Ubisoft these days.

Charles_Phipps
05-14-2015, 06:43 PM
After UNITY, I can say they will show him as a Templar because Karl Marx is a "bad guy of history" as far as American popular culture goes. This despite him being an anti-racist, pro-colonial independence, pro-Union during the Civil War and a Lincoln fanboy, but you know what matters is reaffirming hard-maintained cultural memes for Ubisoft these days.

That would be weird because Ubisoft established Lenin as an Assassin ally, if not Assassin himself.

VestigialLlama4
05-14-2015, 06:54 PM
That would be weird because Ubisoft established Lenin as an Assassin ally, if not Assassin himself.

Well INITIATES said Robespierre abolished slavery but UNITY made him psycho-senior and didn't mention any political issues or how Arno and his french pals were screwing over Haiti by making goo-goo eyes with Napoleon.

Charles_Phipps
05-14-2015, 06:56 PM
Well INITIATES said Robespierre abolished slavery but UNITY made him psycho-senior and didn't mention any political issues or how Arno and his french pals were screwing over Haiti by making goo-goo eyes with Napoleon.

Arno kind of sucks but I totally still want a game where you bring down Napoleon.

We could have Aveline, Shay, and Connor all as supporting characters.

RA503
05-14-2015, 09:14 PM
is already confirmed that yohalem is the writter ?

Namikaze_17
05-14-2015, 09:21 PM
is already confirmed that yohalem is the writter ?

Yes, you can jump for the hills...

ze_topazio
05-14-2015, 09:41 PM
With Yohalem on board maybe for once the story will be interesting.

RA503
05-14-2015, 10:33 PM
Yes, you can jump for the hills...

which was confirmed ?