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JSG72
03-24-2004, 03:56 PM
Forgive me if this has been covered before.(We only got AEP last friday. Still WTW.)Is it me?or How do you fire the 163 buggy up on mission?

JSG72
03-24-2004, 03:56 PM
Forgive me if this has been covered before.(We only got AEP last friday. Still WTW.)Is it me?or How do you fire the 163 buggy up on mission?

_VR_ScorpionWorm
03-24-2004, 04:01 PM
Turn the key. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif Are you refering to the single mission and air start? There is no known way to start the 163 on the ground.

"We went like this, He went like that, I said to Hollywood 'Where'd he go?', Hollywood said, 'Where'd WHO go'-TOPGUN

JSG72
03-24-2004, 04:10 PM
Single mission . (She's on the ground. Aint she?

_VR_ScorpionWorm
03-24-2004, 04:20 PM
From what I have seen all single missions start in the air(could be wrong). The 163 mission is supposed to start in the air.

"We went like this, He went like that, I said to Hollywood 'Where'd he go?', Hollywood said, 'Where'd WHO go'-TOPGUN

nixon-fiend.
03-24-2004, 05:00 PM
It's a bug dude.

No ground start for this baby..

will be fixed in a patch soon though.. stick around some.

CH_D-Fender
03-25-2004, 04:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nixon-fiend.:

It's a bug dude.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nahh ! No bug !

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif Just the kickstarter has broken off. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif
Welding patch under way.

D-Fender

AWL_Spinner
03-25-2004, 04:42 AM
Fired up the QMB last night and took a 163 out for a spin against some B17s for the first time. What a blast!

No wonder Oleg likes it - and that smoke plume is just brilliant. Makes you think how scary it would have been sat in a bomber and seeing one of those for the first time in real life.

"What the?!"

Cheers, Spinner

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Future-
03-25-2004, 05:37 AM
Actually, in real life the 163 were not feared... they were pretty much ineffective.

The 163s rarely made it to the enemy bombers, as having only 6 minutes of rocket power was barely enough to reach an incoming bomber stream.
When they reached their targets, they often only had one - two chances to strike at best before they ran out of fuel.
And once out of fuel, the 163s were easy prey for the bomber's escorts.

Although the 163s scored a few confirmed kills, they had far more losses among their own, often due to technical problems, but also due to enemy fire.

Overall, the 163 introduced several interesting technical approaches, but for it's designated role, a bomber interceptor, it was too weak.

However, since basic battle conditions and distance in FB favor fast aircraft, I think the 163 is much more effective in this game than it ever was in reality.

S!

P.S.: And yes, the non-functional engine is a bug, will be corrected with upcoming patch.

- Future

Commanding Officer of the 530th Bomb Squad
380th Bomb Group 5th AF USAAF

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CH_D-Fender
03-25-2004, 09:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:

Actually, in real life the 163 were not feared... they were pretty much ineffective.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nonsense !

The Me-163 scared the **** out of the bomber crews and had a devestating
effect on the moral of the crews.

Just imagine: there he comes, the horrible hun, sitting in his flame spitting
rocket, flying nearly vertical at tremendous speeds thru your bomber formation.
Too fast for the gunners. Too fast for your escort fighters. You're at his mercy.
Pray, cry or just jump before he gets you.

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And yes, they were pretty much ineffective. Only 8 confirmed kills. But this
say nothing about the psychological effects on the bomber crews.

D-Fender

Future-
03-25-2004, 11:38 AM
Oh yeah, I can imagine this...

"Joe, did ya see that?"

"Yeah, been that rocket plane the krauts built.."

"Roger that, won't waste any ammo on it then"


Sure, the bomber crews must have been terribly shocked, seeing a rocket buzzing through their formation, firing wildly without doing any significant damage.
This sure was more shocking than flying day-in day-out into "fortress germany", getting attacked by dozens of fighters, targetted by hundreds of AAA guns, and seeing friends and comrades spinning towards death... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

I think you're overrating the 163 by far.

S!

- Future

Commanding Officer of the 530th Bomb Squad
380th Bomb Group 5th AF USAAF

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Visit us at http://www.310thvfs.com , home of the 310th FS and the 380th BG

TAGERT.
03-25-2004, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CH_D-Fender:
Nonsense !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Disagree 100% Future is rigth.. it was shocking for the few who seen it buz by.. but not scarry nor devestating to moral

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TAGERT

Zyzbot
03-25-2004, 01:14 PM
some Komet combat info:

"The first major engament took place on 28 July 1944. Before that the Komet was seldom encountered, and than mostly a single aircraft performing flight tests. On the 28th of June, however, 6 Komets took off from Brandis to intercept a fleet of 596 B-17's heading for the Leuna-Merseburg oil complex. No hits were scored, let alone kills, because of the very high closing speeds.

Another major engagement took place on 16 August 1944, when 5 Komets engaged 1,096 heavy bombers. The first Komet to reach the bombers was hit by a B-17's tail gunner. Another Komet scored hits on a B-17 of the 305th BG, but was subsequently shot out of the sky by a P-51 Mustang.

Finally, on 24 August 1944 Komets succeeded in taking down some bombers. One Komet, flown by Feldwebel Siegfried Schubert destroyed two B-17's while other Komets destroyed two other B-17's. Schubert was later killed in a take-off explosion because of problems with the dolly.

After the war the records of the Komets were assessed, and the sad balance was made. It turned out that 80 percent of Komet losses were due to take-off or landing accidents. 15 percent of the losses were due to compressibility in dives, or due to fires in the air. Only 5 percent of the losses were due to combat. Only one unit was able to engage the enemy on a more or less regular basis. I/JG 400 claimed 9 bombers, and lost 14 aircraft in doing so."


Four Me-163's were shot down by USAF fighters and 4 were shot down by bombers.

dahdah
03-25-2004, 01:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AWL_Spinner:
Fired up the QMB last night and took a 163 out for a spin against some B17s for the first time. What a blast!

No wonder Oleg likes it - and that smoke plume is just brilliant. Makes you think how scary it would have been sat in a bomber and seeing one of those for the first time in real life.

"What the?!"

Cheers, Spinner <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


That is not a smoke plume but condensed steam.


This site is worth reading.
http://www.walter-rockets.i12.com/walter/walter.htm

Future-
03-26-2004, 05:40 AM
Bump!

- Future

Commanding Officer of the 530th Bomb Squad
380th Bomb Group 5th AF USAAF

http://invisionfree.com:54/40/30/upload/p1083.jpg

Visit us at http://www.310thvfs.com , home of the 310th FS and the 380th BG

CH_D-Fender
03-26-2004, 06:29 AM
An excellent Me-163 site on the web with a lot of good links:

http://www.sml.lr.tudelft.nl/~home/rob/me163.htm

D-Fender

tsisqua
03-26-2004, 06:58 AM
Future,

You are assesing the Comet by looking at the post-war statistics. If I had been a gunner on a B-17, and I saw, let's say two or three of these, my first response would be somewhere between "Oh, Crap!", and "WOW! That is AWESOME! What is it?"

Quite frankly, your country's technology scared the crap out of us. Some of the most brilliant minds of the 20th century were German, and it was a terrible shame that a madman misused his people. I lived in Berlin for two years, and I love the German people. Everything is always new to the German mind, and there is always the spirit of a child in every German. To the German, there is no such word as "impossible"; "All things that we can concieve, we can do, if we work hard enough at it!" was the attitude of my German friends, and was very consistant throughout the people.

The Comet scared us.
Be Surehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

War Sucks . . . unless it is a virtual air-war, played on IL2.

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SKIDRO_79FS
03-26-2004, 03:17 PM
Well put, Tsisqua, very well put!

tsisqua
03-26-2004, 05:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SKIDRO_79FS:
Well put, Tsisqua, very well put!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Skidro, I have a very important document that came in the mail for you today. I will get it to you ASAP.


Tsisqua

Prof.Wizard
04-18-2004, 06:24 PM
I wonder if a future update will also have simulated the amazing SG500 J√¬§gerfaust (http://www.sml.lr.tudelft.nl/~home/rob/me163/weapon01.htm) as SWOTL years ago had.

An optical-triggered vertical rocket launcher. German engineers were so genius! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HARD_Sarge
04-18-2004, 10:09 PM
Hi Future-

your missing the point, the plane itself could of been very deadly, but as you read, 1 attacked here, 5 or 6 attacked here and there, there were never enough of them at any one point to be a danger, and most were still in the stages of being tested

the model with the shadow triggered 50 mm shells would of been a monster, no aiming needed, fly under the bomber, when in the right place, the shadow would trigger the shells, right into the belly of the bomber

in the long run, it is just a oddity and a what might of been, but it could of been very dangerous

HARD_Sarge

Dunkelgrun
04-19-2004, 03:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HARD_Sarge:
Hi Future-

your missing the point, the plane itself could of been very deadly, but as you read, 1 attacked here, 5 or 6 attacked here and there, there were never enough of them at any one point to be a danger, and most were still in the stages of being tested

the model with the shadow triggered 50 mm shells would of been a monster, no aiming needed, fly under the bomber, when in the right place, the shadow would trigger the shells, right into the belly of the bomber

in the long run, it is just a oddity and a what might of been, but it could of been very dangerous

HARD_Sarge<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Jagerfaust was used operationally just once. On 10 April 1945 Leutnant Kelb used it to destroy a Lancaster over Leipzig, incidentally the last kill claimed by a Komet during the war. On another occasion the weapon discharged when the Komet passed under a cloud!
Cheers!

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Dunkelgrun aka 242Sqn_Cat

HARD_Sarge
04-19-2004, 03:44 AM
Hi Dunkelgrun

well yes, that is what I said, it would of been, not that it was, it was still in the state of being tested the last I read on it, and some hassles still had to be worked out (IE flying under a cloud)

but if it had been worked out and made in large numbers, then it would of solved the biggest hassle of the early jets/rockets, closeing speed, most pilots had to slow down to be able to aim, losing the advantage of the plane to start with, but with a auto fire gizmo, the plane could fly at top speed, place itself were it was needed to be, and it would fire itself, and plane is still going to fast to be targeted or tracked
(the 262 and 163 both flew too fast for the power turrets of the 17/24 to be able to track them)

HARD_Sarge

Prof.Wizard
04-19-2004, 12:37 PM
Will we see these rocket shells simulated in the game? THAT is the question... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

DuxCorvan
04-19-2004, 01:00 PM
In fact I've heard of bomber crews that were really scared about the Komet. Well, you're right, they were pretty ineffective, and usually more dangerous to their pilot than to the enemy bombers.

But they didn't know... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif ...and try to track that in a gun turret. Man, I'd worry a little, wouldn't you?

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