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raaaid
05-21-2004, 05:27 AM
the thing is simple with flaps on and the joystick fully pulled the la wont stall and the same for the biplanes

this means that in a turning duel, my favourite kind of fight, all you have to do is put the flaps on and pull the joystick fully just like xwings and keep it there fully pulled (lots of fun)

I dont mind the biplanes doing this but i cant stand the la behaving this way since is the fastest and best plane

when cfs series add trackir to cfs4 i dont doubt which will be both the best simulator and game, no cfs plane except cfs1 allows you to pull the joystick fully without stalling.

in fact i believe ubi is going backwards because in my opinion il2 was much better than AEP, they are making the game easier each time.
now i expect much more from microsoft than from ubi, ill buy before cfs4 than BOB

raaaid
05-21-2004, 05:27 AM
the thing is simple with flaps on and the joystick fully pulled the la wont stall and the same for the biplanes

this means that in a turning duel, my favourite kind of fight, all you have to do is put the flaps on and pull the joystick fully just like xwings and keep it there fully pulled (lots of fun)

I dont mind the biplanes doing this but i cant stand the la behaving this way since is the fastest and best plane

when cfs series add trackir to cfs4 i dont doubt which will be both the best simulator and game, no cfs plane except cfs1 allows you to pull the joystick fully without stalling.

in fact i believe ubi is going backwards because in my opinion il2 was much better than AEP, they are making the game easier each time.
now i expect much more from microsoft than from ubi, ill buy before cfs4 than BOB

BSS_Goat
05-21-2004, 05:44 AM
uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh OK, hate to say it but I kinda agree. Lets get rid of the clown crates(axis and allied)

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WUAF_Badsight
05-21-2004, 05:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by raaaid:
ill buy before cfs4 than BOB<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you will be waiting a LONG time then

no CFS4 coming out

FWdreamer
05-21-2004, 05:59 AM
S!
yep cfs4 has been cancelled.

Jasko76
05-21-2004, 06:04 AM
Why has it been cancelled? Not that I would buy it, any way. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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LEXX_Luthor
05-21-2004, 06:07 AM
Microsoft saw what is required now in cockpit modding and gave up like wimp



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Zayets
05-21-2004, 06:09 AM
Why do you turn with the biplanes?Are you some sort of kamikaze? Biplanes will fly tight circles even around the La's , same for PZL11. Don't turn with them. I have no tactic , I don't know how to shoot biplanes if I don't catch them by surprise.
As for La turning rate , well... what can I say?
(hint: check who build this game and where was built the La.See if you find any similarities)
Oh , and save yor money. No cfs4 and I really doubt this will be better than BoB or PF.

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Curly_109
05-21-2004, 06:14 AM
Some planes are just ridiculous in this game (however I do not believe that they are been much different in the real world)

Regarding CFS4 maybe Micro. guys are afraid of Pacific fighters or BoB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Wouldn't buy CFS4 too. CFS3 was too dissapointing... unlike CFS2 what seems to be their best sim(at least this is my opinion http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif).

SUPERAEREO
05-21-2004, 06:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
Why do you turn with the biplanes?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess he likes to use ctrl + e.

Or maybe he has never heard of BnZ.

Or perhaps he's just used to CFS3.


Why do people whine so much when they get shot down instead of trying to get better at dogfighting?

It beats me.

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Slush69
05-21-2004, 06:35 AM
Nah, he comes in from time to time. Spews a bit of flame and disappears again for a few weeks.

Most of his posts usually contain something along the line of "I had it, I quit this game and leave this forum". There's been a few of those. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cheers/EoE

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SUPERAEREO
05-21-2004, 06:39 AM
Oh well, it takes all sorts of people... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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raaaid
05-21-2004, 11:43 AM
ill explain you how to shoot biplanes down:

get more energy than him by running away

then start bnz, the trick is to caught him at low speed so you have to choose between two manoubers depending in his energy state if he has much less energy than you make a loop to go down fast if he has just a little less energy keep the nose absolutly vertical un till you get to zero speed then the plane will point her nose down by itself in just half second(but the nose has to be exactly vertical before this happens),then you will be at your foes six and hes slow, you have to think you need to get him when he slows down after going up for defense, you may also pretend you are going down to make him pitch up then calculate the moment to get him slow

if he doesn slow down beacuse he doesnt chase you up youll have to do bnz with deflection shots, theres a trick for this which i really like because it takes jedi skills you have to make blind shots:

keep him on your gunsigth; at three hundred m put flaps on and at the moment you are at very close range pull up and shoot to where he will be, the more you wait for this manouber the best you will know where he will be when you take the blind shot

in the beggining i hated the la7 blocking of the view by the gunsight base, you cant do deflection shots but with this jedi trick i really enjoy it

but then again knowing that i can pull the joystick fully without stalling sucks really bad and cant use my imagination to solve this problem because if this game was for real i would make sure to let the elvator move enough to stall because i would be able to go closer to the limit

Red_Russian13
05-21-2004, 11:56 AM
Raaaid;

I never say anything about grammer, etc in these forums because I know a lot of people in here use English as thier second language (and I'm not an expert). And I know how hard a second language's grammer can be because I am studying Russian, (albiet poorly).

But you've got to use some periods or something to denote separate sentences. You're posts may be informative, but I can't tell because all I do is try to decifer the sentences and separate thoughts.

Sorry, just a thought. If I've offended anyone, I apologize. But I just have a hard time figuring out his posts.

Red Russian

p1ngu666
05-21-2004, 12:04 PM
i can stall any plane with relitive ease
default joystick settings

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raaaid
05-21-2004, 12:19 PM
all planes except la and biplanes, they wont stall just by pulling the joystick you also have to roll

im only saying that turning is too easy with this planes you may stay up to two minutes with the joystick fully pulled in a turning duel what sucks really bad

what makes me real mad is that it happens to my favourite plane the la (the fastest)

p1ngu666
05-21-2004, 12:33 PM
i can stall them :P
and LA7 is lighests of the LA's we got in game, its the best in every respect

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eyevann
05-21-2004, 12:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by raaaid:
ill explain you how to shoot biplanes down:

get more energy than him by running away

then start bnz, the trick is to caught him at low speed so you have to choose between two manoubers depending in his energy state if he has much less energy than you make a loop to go down fast if he has just a little less energy keep the nose absolutly vertical un till you get to zero speed then the plane will point her nose down by itself in just half second(but the nose has to be exactly vertical before this happens),then you will be at your foes six and hes slow, you have to think you need to get him when he slows down after going up for defense, you may also pretend you are going down to make him pitch up then calculate the moment to get him slow

if he doesn slow down beacuse he doesnt chase you up youll have to do bnz with deflection shots, theres a trick for this which i really like because it takes jedi skills you have to make blind shots:

keep him on your gunsigth; at three hundred m put flaps on and at the moment you are at very close range pull up and shoot to where he will be, the more you wait for this manouber the best you will know where he will be when you take the blind shot

in the beggining i hated the la7 blocking of the view by the gunsight base, you cant do deflection shots but with this jedi trick i really enjoy it

but then again knowing that i can pull the joystick fully without stalling sucks really bad and cant use my imagination to solve this problem because if this game was for real i would make sure to let the elvator move enough to stall because i would be able to go closer to the limit<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry but how can this be? I flew 2.5 hours this am with new 2.01 patch flying La7 and Yak3. With combat flaps on, I stalled both when pulling full up. In fact, they both seem to stall quicker and easier with this new version than the old 2.0. I generally have to be very careful with the LA-7 now to avoid a stall during high G T&B dogfights...seems much less stable than before.....on the other hand, I'm learning to B&Z with the Bl-1 Russian Rocket plane...totally kewl but very limited ammo loadout means every shot must count...get up close and pound him with cannon

raaaid
05-21-2004, 12:46 PM
but have you tried with the flaps on?

im begining to wonder whether im doing something wrong

i have my joystick settings to the maximum sensivility http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif(100) which means that my joystick and the virtual stick move together in real time

La will stall without flaps but not with the flaps on unless you pull and roll at the same time

eyevann
05-21-2004, 01:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by raaaid:
but have you tried with the flaps on?

im begining to wonder whether im doing something wrong

i have my joystick settings to the maximum sensivility http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif(100) which means that my joystick and the virtual stick move together in real time

La will stall without flaps but not with the flaps on unless you pull and roll at the same time<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pulling around in a hard turn with combat flaps will cause a stall in the LA-7 and Yak 3. Haven't tried a hard turn with landing flaps

Hawgdog
05-21-2004, 02:19 PM
Hey, rade, have you tried setting the "difficulty" level to something more than "easy"?
I find if you have stall and overheat turned off, its easy to roll even the TB3 in a dogfight

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PBNA-Flanker
05-21-2004, 03:12 PM
your joystick is messed up.. i had the same problem w/a saitek cyborg 3d digital.. i'd pull all the way back but i'd be only pulling 'half way' back really.. i couldn't stall anything.. got a logitech freedom and had to learn to fly all over again..

it was not a calibration issue.. it was calibrated fine.. more like a stick driver issue.. or something.. i dunno but it's messed up

raaaid
05-21-2004, 05:42 PM
i have a saitek evo perfectly calibrated

anyone knows how to solve this problem because i think that i pull the virtual stick fully

changing the joystick is not an option because is brand new and the logitech 3d i had only lasted two months so ill keep with my saitek

i cant understand the joystick to be the problem because when setting the sensivility of the joystick within the game the dot goes fully down when pulling the joystick fully

Art-J
05-22-2004, 11:00 AM
Uhm.... I didn't realize I would see such a joke from old Hurricane v1.0 times... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif
Just checked, you're right, with combat flaps, La turns nice continuous circles @ 230-250 kph, even filled with 100% fuel... I never fly the bird but I guess it shouldn't be that way.

P.S. - "Stalls on" & well calibrated Logitech WingMan here.

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