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Frequent_Flyer
05-27-2004, 05:39 AM
I can't recall if it was wishful thinking or a possibility the P-63 and P-39 were to get HE rounds for their 37mm cannon. I have had very little time to play since the release of the patch. Can anyone shed some light on this point.

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Frequent_Flyer
05-27-2004, 05:39 AM
I can't recall if it was wishful thinking or a possibility the P-63 and P-39 were to get HE rounds for their 37mm cannon. I have had very little time to play since the release of the patch. Can anyone shed some light on this point.

*****************************"Hitler Built A Fortress Around Europe,But He Forgot to Put A Roof On It" ~ FDR

Pimpo
05-27-2004, 07:28 AM
afaik the have both ap and he loaded

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Lunix
05-27-2004, 08:46 AM
Somehow this cannon seems to be rather weak still. Last night it took me 3 cannon hits to bring down a zero http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Huxley_S
05-27-2004, 09:00 AM
Last night I brought down a Ju88A with one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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SeaFireLIV
05-27-2004, 09:12 AM
Huxley and Lunix show an important point here. Apparently 3 hits on a zero and One hit took out a Ju88. What does that tell us?

That the perceived hits on the zeros were probably glancing hits or hits that weren`t enough to totally finish off the zero (I`ll bet it was badly affected before it wnet down).

It all boils down to WHERE the hits meet and what goes where. That`s what i love about FB, just because it SHOULD blow an aircraft down in ONE go does NOT guarantee that it will - Just as in real life.

It all depends on WHERE YOU HIT ... and a little on luck too.

Lunix
05-27-2004, 09:48 AM
Agreed SeaFire. Still it was just an extreem example of something I noticed. From everything that I read about the oldsmobile 37mm and everything I have seen in game I can deduce that the 37mm does not really pack the punch that it should.

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Gibbage1
05-27-2004, 11:19 AM
In the original IL2, the P-39 had both He and AP rounds. He every other round. It was proven that the Soviets were not sent any AP rounds so it was changed in FB. The P-63 also has only HE rounsd in Aces.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Frequent_Flyer:
I can't recall if it was wishful thinking or a possibility the P-63 and P-39 were to get HE rounds for their 37mm cannon. I have had very little time to play since the release of the patch. Can anyone shed some light on this point.

*****************************"Hitler Built A Fortress Around Europe,But He Forgot to Put A Roof On It" ~ FDR<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

EmbarkChief
05-27-2004, 11:29 AM
It seems fine to me, shot placement has alot to do with the damage inflicted by ANY weapon. Not too long ago I shot down 5 Ju-87's in a row with 5 37mm rounds with a P-39. To me that's an effective weapon.

GAU-8
05-27-2004, 04:14 PM
I have a track where the 45 mil exploding round on a yak9k hit the KI-84 on a WINGTIP also... no effect whatsoever. (squadmate was flying it) he told me that "the plane shook..but that was it"

this was from close proximity

BpGemini
05-27-2004, 04:35 PM
Kaboom! Kaboom! Kaboom!

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Gibbage1
05-27-2004, 04:55 PM
GAU. Was this in 2.0 or 2.01? 2.0 has a problem recording canon hits. 2.01 fixes that. Thats why everyone things the canon hits harder now.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAU-8:
I have a track where the 45 mil exploding round on a yak9k hit the KI-84 on a WINGTIP also... no effect whatsoever. (squadmate was flying it) he told me that "the plane shook..but that was it"

this was from close proximity<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Gibbage1
05-27-2004, 04:56 PM
Gemini. You play with the P-63's new canon? Flat arc and it will remove the tail of a FW in 1 hit.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
Kaboom! Kaboom! Kaboom!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Cajun76
05-27-2004, 06:14 PM
I'm sorry guys, but I don't see the HE effect on the 37mm on the P-39 or 63. QMB, low level, fire at the dirt with one shot bursts. I only seem to kick up dirt. Do the same with a 109K4, and notice the alternating AP and HE rounds. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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NegativeGee
05-27-2004, 07:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
I'm sorry guys, but I don't see the HE effect on the 37mm on the P-39 or 63. QMB, low level, fire at the dirt with one shot bursts. I only seem to kick up dirt. Do the same with a 109K4, and notice the alternating AP and HE rounds. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I noticed that too. It is a bit odd, although when you fire at airborne targets, the HE effect seems to work as usual http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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GEO-oNe
05-27-2004, 08:15 PM
yeah this is because the bullets were designed to explode on contact with hard targets, the ground being softer than the wing of a JU-88

GAU-8
05-27-2004, 11:16 PM
GIBBAGE,

this was with the newest patch... and not the "outdated" stuff.

on several occasions, i get very clean shots on a 90 degree angle (or close to it) and nothing happens...they keep (looks it) flying normally... ill ask if i can " what happened after that first shot".. a lot of response is "nothing.."

as for the "harder hitting" factor since the new patch... i havent seen anything (or felt) that is different with the 9K model. i do know that since 1.22 its been the same (downgrade in power, and aiming). let me know if your interested in some of the tracks

[This message was edited by GAU-8 on Fri May 28 2004 at 12:01 AM.]