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GazzaMataz
08-05-2004, 02:10 AM
Simple question really:

Why is it that whenever I am in a Bf109 and come into land too low and the wheels get knocked off that the plane then belly lands but almost immediately explodes?

Can you not do a crash landing in these planes? If this happenes in other planes it will skid to a halt. Mind you that it pretty hard seeinf as most other planes have stronger undercarriages.

Damn explosive Bf109!!!

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GazzaMataz
08-05-2004, 02:10 AM
Simple question really:

Why is it that whenever I am in a Bf109 and come into land too low and the wheels get knocked off that the plane then belly lands but almost immediately explodes?

Can you not do a crash landing in these planes? If this happenes in other planes it will skid to a halt. Mind you that it pretty hard seeinf as most other planes have stronger undercarriages.

Damn explosive Bf109!!!

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Rab03
08-05-2004, 02:19 AM
Bf-109 isn't more explosive than other planes, but it really had relatively weak undercarriage.

Speed and plane attitude matter a lot. Crash landing should be more or less gentle-slow down plane before touching the ground, apply the flaps, and reduce drop speed as much as you can.

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SUPERAEREO
08-05-2004, 02:29 AM
As Rab said you can crash land a 109, but if your rate of descent is such that you crash the undercarriage you will explode.

Other planes may have a stronger undercarriage that by breaking absorbs part of the impact, and this seems to have been modelled to some degree in the sim.

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F19_Ob
08-05-2004, 02:46 AM
In the 109 I have crashed and lost the undercarriage and survived many times when returning damaged.
Even high speed crashes are possible if the angle to the ground is small enough.


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Zayets
08-05-2004, 02:57 AM
Why would you lower the gear when you do a crash landing?

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tfu_iain1
08-05-2004, 04:42 AM
well if its on a runway, i tend to call it a 'hasty' landing. but out in the field, in a 109, just belly land it, much safer, all those bumps will have you tipping the plane over otherwise.

also, GET SLOW! im willing to wager your problem is that you are landing too fast and too steep. shallow it out and make sure your wheels touch the ground around 160kph... on successful landings do you bounce a bit? you shouldnt be... you landing too hard and fast. also, use your trim to stabilise the controls on approach, makes for VERY smooth landing.

bulbulhoca
08-05-2004, 04:53 AM
You can watch your speed and get slow, but this will not solve your problem. The point is you have to check your vertical speed and in most of the 109s this gauge is missing ( except k4 I guess).
You may be flying slow, but your vertical speed may be too much for the landing gear. It's very difficult to notice this in a simulation as we cannot have any force feedback device for the falling effect.

GazzaMataz
08-05-2004, 05:54 AM
OK some of you seem confused by what I does http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In this scenario I was back to playing my IL-2 camapaign in a Bf109G-2 I have got as far as Stalingrad aound Nov '42.

The weather is snow so the vis is not too good (I hate flying and landing in poor vis). I am approaching the runway at about 190kph flaps down lined up beautifully - bit low though (50m)and short of the runway. Don't matter I though I might hit the snow first before the runway. Nope, hit a small snow hill(?) before the runway so I must have been almost touching the ground, wheels came off then the plane lands gentle on its belly and‚... BAAAANNNGGG!!!

Everytime http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Like clockwork http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Just add water http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If fact sometimes I think it is easier to just bail out over the runway so I don't have to go through the mission again and again and again‚...

It's easier landing a He-111.

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TugZooey
08-05-2004, 06:32 AM
Although I do think birds tend to explode a little easier now on crash landing, I'd still try getting in a little slower. I can land doing 190kph in a 109, but I prefer it under 170 (if I'm thinking correctly about the 109).

In some planes I try to land (or crash land) even slower.

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JG52Uther
08-05-2004, 06:39 AM
Well then Gazza,it must just be me and you then mate.i think the '109 DOES blow up to easily when crash landing .In fact if the plane is that badly damaged in a fight i will seriously consider baling if i'm in a '109 (does'nt seem to happen in a Spit and that has c**p undercarriage as well) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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flyingscampi
08-05-2004, 07:37 AM
This has happened to me several times in a 109. For example, on the desert map I rolled off the end of the runway with the tailwheel on the ground at about 60kph (another good landing!) hit a bump, collapsed the undercarriage and boom! Seemed a bit drastic at that speed.

You can belly land at incredible speeds as long as the terrain is flat tho.

AztekWrath
08-05-2004, 11:10 AM
I posted a thread on the subject a few weeks back. Form my experience, the 109 is very explosive, unlike an Il2 or an I-16 which you can practically crash land pretty hard and the planes would hold almost in one piece. I've tried almost any approach on the 109 for a belly landing, all failed! KABOOM!

LBR_Barkhorn
08-05-2004, 11:36 AM
Oh, boy, just learn to land at higher speeds, like 200/220 KM/H... The aircraft whill bump less, and you will keep your wheels dafe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Red_Russian13
08-05-2004, 11:45 AM
I've crash landed my 109 literally hundreds of times! (What does that say about my piloting skills?)

I've never had them explode too much, but I guess it has a higher tendency to explode on impact than some of the other ones.

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LeadSpitter_
08-05-2004, 11:48 AM
thats something that bugged me about this game for ever.

"Exploded Into A Million Pieces" Actually ment a secondary fire explosion and lots of tiny debris with 3/4s of the plane intact.

The littlest bump or one wheel off runway bounces you 50m in the air the you blowup into nothing when coming down and hitting the ground at such a low speed theres nothing you can do.

also the 190 gear stability or lack of it. the 190 was known to have very good ground stability comapired to the 109. Its little things so i dont know if its worth it for 1c to look into. I would definatly get rid of the trampolien grass personally.

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ColoradoBBQ
08-05-2004, 03:50 PM
I feel that the cause of your failed crash landing, GazzaMatz, is the angle you're landing at. Try to keep the plane slightly above the slope the of ground instead of trying to land on the belly. The plane will explode if the engine of the plane hits the ground first.

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