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McTriggerhappy
09-09-2004, 10:21 AM
hey guys.

So, what plane do you think has the worst cockpit ever? I don't really like the biplanes, because although you can look around really well, you cant see in front

also, give your opinion on worst crosshairs ever. I'd have to say that the Zero has the worst: there's so much stuff in there that you can't see. I prefer the crosshairs that are just dots, like the Brewster


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McTriggerhappy
09-09-2004, 10:21 AM
hey guys.

So, what plane do you think has the worst cockpit ever? I don't really like the biplanes, because although you can look around really well, you cant see in front

also, give your opinion on worst crosshairs ever. I'd have to say that the Zero has the worst: there's so much stuff in there that you can't see. I prefer the crosshairs that are just dots, like the Brewster


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Kaesebrot.
09-09-2004, 10:27 AM
I hate the zero´s gunsight... overloaded

AlexDavies
09-09-2004, 11:24 AM
the biplanes, and the p.11

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p1ngu666
09-09-2004, 11:28 AM
razorback p47 is pretty bad
or the he111

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MajorBloodnok
09-09-2004, 11:29 AM
Yeah and in the german planes it's waaaaay over to the left. What's with that?

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Fritzofn
09-09-2004, 11:33 AM
press shift F1 to correct sight :P

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MajorBloodnok
09-09-2004, 11:36 AM
No kidding....

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S 8
09-09-2004, 11:48 AM
The only one I dislike is the I-153 ones.Why two?I can (and I have to)live with it but I don´t have to like it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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09-09-2004, 11:49 AM
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WOLFMondo
09-09-2004, 12:26 PM
Yak9. The gunsight is terrible. With FR it almost blinds the pilot.

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TC_Stele
09-09-2004, 12:27 PM
I seriously hate the zero's. It looks like I'm looking into a spider web, a really really thick spider web. I was on a server last night and cockpits were on and I was chasing a spit. I was able to easily get on this guys tail. A couple times I lost him, he jumped on me, but I easily got back on him. When I had him in my sights to fire I had to guess when he entered the crosshair. I must've fired everything I had.

The spit pilot even said "and again, you manage to miss me at point blank range" LOL

How annoying! The zero pilots must've seen it a lot differently than what I'm seeing in FB.

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Tooz_69GIAP
09-09-2004, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TC_Stele:
I seriously hate the zero's. It looks like I'm looking into a spider web, a really really thick spider web. I was on a server last night and cockpits were on and I was chasing a spit. I was able to easily get on this guys tail. A couple times I lost him, he jumped on me, but I easily got back on him. When I had him in my sights to fire I had to guess when he entered the crosshair. I must've fired everything I had.

The spit pilot even said "and again, you manage to miss me at point blank range" LOL

How annoying! The zero pilots must've seen it a lot differently than what I'm seeing in FB.

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Well, in RL, they had full peripheral vision and binocular view (unless you were Saburo Sakai that is!!), so yeah, it would have probably been a lot easier for them to track that spit!!

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Daiichidoku
09-09-2004, 12:47 PM
I really like the sight in the Fiat G 50...

I also wonder about this...and I will take it to the PF forum, as well....why can't we, in FB, and will we be able to, in PF, use the ring-and-bead sights in the zero?

Maybe we could have reflector gunsight lamp failures? I think it was a not uncommon occurence..then we could resort to ring-and-bead sights as IRL

pakfront
09-09-2004, 01:24 PM
The Zero. Love the plane, hate the sights.

But possibly one of the best cockpits ever. Key instruments right under the sight. Almost makes up for the cluttered sight.

Resident_Jock
09-09-2004, 01:46 PM
The razorback P-47 has annoying cockpit framing, I can stand the German style reflector sight but having a cockpit bar right in the middle of the windscreen is annoying as heck!

Other than that, alot of the red planes that aren't Russian have excellent, easy to use sights. I would say that the Zero, the Yaks, and the Fiat G.50 are my least favorite models to shoot in. The zero has a very busy gunsight that makes it hard to track targets in certain conditions. The Yaks have that awful tinted glass that make it difficult to see through, and the Fiat's sight is just plain ugly.

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Dolemite-
09-09-2004, 02:05 PM
The P-47s cockpit is just plain ugly, no offense to the modelor. The 47s pit should be brought up to par with the Fw and the P-51.

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BPLIzard
09-09-2004, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MajorBloodnok:
Yeah and in the german planes it's waaaaay over to the left. What's with that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Dammerung
09-09-2004, 02:27 PM
Worst Cockpit: P.11c
Best Cockpit: Tie between J8A and I-185

Best Gunsight: K-14
Worst: J8A

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Maj_Death
09-09-2004, 02:28 PM
Razorback P-47's have the worst cockpit layout. The zero has the worst gunsight but I think that is a modeling issue, it seems really blurred to me and I doubt the real one is like that. Quality wise I think it is a toss up between the P-47's, P-11 and IAR-80/81's. Those pits have crude texturing and it would be nice if they were redone. I don't mean to offend the modelers, low quality textures in the cockpit is better than no cockpit at all but it would still be nice if they were improved on.

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Jaws2002
09-09-2004, 03:20 PM
The IAR 80/81 were made befor FB was released, with a much smaller polygon limit.
Befor you start trashing someone's work why don't you do it.
I'm gratefull to have this in the game.

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Chuck_Older
09-09-2004, 03:34 PM
"Those pits have crude texturing and it would be nice if they were redone. I don't mean to offend the modelers, low quality textures in the cockpit is better than no cockpit at all but it would still be nice if they were improved on."

"The P-47s cockpit is just plain ugly, no offense to the modelor. The 47s pit should be brought up to par with the Fw and the P-51."

"The razorback P-47 has annoying cockpit framing, I can stand the German style reflector sight but having a cockpit bar right in the middle of the windscreen is annoying as heck!"


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These are not bashes. Actually, they are the truth. Nobody has insulted anyone, but criticism can be constructive, you know.

Check out how many "no offense" clauses there are. All these floks did was point out shortcomings. Nobody's called anything bad names or insulted anyone. You're over-reacting a little, don't you think?

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LEXX_Luthor
09-09-2004, 07:47 PM
WOLFMondo:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yak9. The gunsight is terrible. With FR it almost blinds the pilot.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The dark glass?

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Don't know how we will track already difficult to see ground targets through that.

In real life, that looks great. But computer monitors do not yet have the ability to render technically realistic dark glass without making the object unusable on a computer. Maybe its lack of contrast I dunno. I recall a fascinating discussion about monitor images that drew attention to Tully's old Corsair sig that was so dark few people knew it was a Corsair http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and that Tully may have been using extra bright monitor settings or special developer software that makes images brighter than most computer users see....hence the often dark cockpits over the FB. Not sure, but it was a sweet thread to read.



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WUAF_Badsight
09-10-2004, 04:54 AM
the double gunsite combo doesnt do the I-153 any favours . . . .

neither does the blurry orange lines of the Zeros gunsite . . .

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Capt_Haddock
09-10-2004, 06:33 AM
The I-153 gunsight, no doubt.

The iron gunsight should only be an emergency backup when the reflector gunsight is broken. The double sight is a bug. Shoulnd't be there.

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Platypus_1.JaVA
09-10-2004, 06:42 AM
The worst cockpit ever (in FB) should be that from the early P-47's The outside view is really horrific. They are only suitable for attacking (more or less) stationary ground targets, any fast moving aircraft are easily lost behind the canopy framing.

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F19_Orheim
09-10-2004, 04:35 PM
Double gunsight in the I-153. Too bad, still one of my fav planes.

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09-10-2004, 08:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
...Tully's old Corsair sig that was so dark few people knew it was a Corsair...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The offending sig:

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Arm_slinger
09-11-2004, 06:00 AM
The 109 cockpits are the worst by miles

The 47 is ok, but i feel its too close to the seat so that reading the lower dials is quite tricky. And yes that cockpit bar is a pain in the ****.

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Chuck_Older
09-11-2004, 07:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
The 109 cockpits are the worst by miles


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You really think so? I think the '109 pit is great if you set your viewpoint all the way back. Also, that view gives me the field of view I need to set up a firing solution on a target. Especially in the Emil's cockpit, which I just love

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WOLFMondo
09-11-2004, 07:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
WOLFMondo:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yak9. The gunsight is terrible. With FR it almost blinds the pilot.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The dark glass?

Czech out the Pe~2 dark sighting glass [in development http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif ]....
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yes, the glass. I can't see s*it through it. I'll take a 190 gunsight over a Yaks anyday.

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SithSpeeder
09-11-2004, 12:11 PM
I'm with MOndo...that Yak-9 sight is like flying with one of those Instruments Only training hoods http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif It's like being Ray Charles with the sunglasses on, moving at 450 kph. It's like flying in a nightime mission but having all the spotlights on *your* plane (i.e., you can't see anything but everyone can still see you!). Oh, nevermind.

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NN_EnigmuS
09-11-2004, 12:53 PM
depending on your computer settings for yak9 dark glass indeed some see nothing and some see not that bad

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