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Goxxi
05-12-2015, 08:35 PM
Well since they said that entire game will take place within 1 year (1868) It's seems that choice and room for speculations are very limited.

I searched a famous deaths from 1868 which could fit into the game.





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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Brougham,_1st_Baron_Brougham_and_Vaux





The main Templar could be the powerful banker James Mayer de Rothscild

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mayer_de_Rothschild

LoyalACFan
05-12-2015, 08:43 PM
They've already assassinated a little piece of my soul, so there's target #1

Altair1789
05-12-2015, 08:59 PM
Well apparently we'll go after a guy named "Domino Brewster" and the white rooms are back :)

http://i.imgur.com/jxOcmWj.png

He's standing up, so it might be an AC1-type white room where you can switch the camera every now and then and they're standing

Hans684
05-12-2015, 09:06 PM
Well apparently we'll go after a guy named "Domino Brewster" and the white rooms are back :)

http://i.imgur.com/jxOcmWj.png

He's standing up, so it might be an AC1-type white room where you can switch the camera every now and then and they're standing

Can't find him, must be a fictional Templar.

VestigialLlama4
05-12-2015, 09:18 PM
I hope they don't make Rothschild a Templar. You know, Jewish English banker part of a global conspiracy bringing New World Order...its way too creepy and dangerous to put in a game. I hope someone in Ubisoft shuts that down.

GunnarGunderson
05-12-2015, 09:25 PM
Saucy Jack


I do hope he's a major character and not done away with in one or two side missions

Goxxi
05-12-2015, 09:28 PM
I think Rothschild would be a perfect target in AC game and we all know in what everything were the Rothschild family involved in previous few centuries and no doubt that Rothschilds are part of global conspiracy (and it's totally irrelevant are they Jews, Protestants, Catholics or what ever)

And among the other things just a fact that he got married his own niece (his brother's daughter) also discover one bizzare and twisted side of his personality.

VestigialLlama4
05-12-2015, 10:22 PM
I think Rothschild would be a perfect target in AC game and we all know in what everything were the Rothschild family involved in previous few centuries and no doubt that Rothschilds are part of global conspiracy (and it's totally irrelevant are they Jews, Protestants, Catholics or what ever)

Its not irrelevant. The f--king Nazis used that as part of their propaganda to kill people.

Goxxi
05-13-2015, 01:28 AM
Well even hitler was partialy a Jew (some rumors even says that he is a grandson of Mayer Rothschild) and it's not some secret that nazis were supported by side of British and American bankers and industrials (many of them were Jews)

Also many other nazis had a Jewish heritage like himler , eichman , rozenberg.............etc and those Jewish today like Rothschilds and others , they are not autenthic Jews , they are Ashkenazi (Khazars) who took Judaism in meanwhile.

And those poor millions victims of holocaust were mostly a poor Jews (and some of them from middle class) from working class and people from village and they were sacrificed for some political agenda.

And sitution is more complicated and more complex then those old mantra that Jewish plutocrats run this world and can not be conspirators one entire people then just a small fractions and those rulers from the shadow or how ever we call them are just a very small group (maybe a several hundreds or maybe even a several dozens of people , for example when people see some statesmen , politicans , presidents , CEO's of some corporations they will think how powerful people they are , but they are practically a nobody , just a puppets who are on that place to perform the tasks and to do what those above them says to them) and among them there are Jews but there are people from other backgrounds too.

RA503
05-13-2015, 02:03 AM
Nobory historically important dies in 1868 the templars will be all fictional like in AC 1...

Goxxi
05-13-2015, 02:14 AM
Well in AC1 was mixed , some of them were real historical figures while some of them were fictional and it were a several "important" deaths in 1868 like Henry Brougham or James Mayer de Rothschild or James Thomas Brudenell, 7th Earl of Cardigan.

TexasCaesar
05-13-2015, 02:16 AM
Its not irrelevant. The f--king Nazis used that as part of their propaganda to kill people.

Oh, I almost forgot that the Holocaust (which happened over 70 years ago) now gives any Jew complete protection from criticism, fictional or not.

Rothschild would be an excellent target; the family was in to all kinds of seediness. They once even engineered a stock market crash in Britain by fabricating false information regarding the Battle of Waterloo.

However, James Mayer died in Paris, so I don't see him as a target unless Ubisoft stretches the circumstances of his death. Which they might, Charles Lee (in history) died of sickness, not a knife wound.

Goxxi
05-13-2015, 02:26 AM
yes and then why we would not mention the genocide against the Native Americans in North America , Belgian genocide in Congo when 10 millions of Congolese were brutally murdered on most monstrous way and who knows how many millions more of them got crippled (today nobody mention that) or Japanese genocide against the Chinese in Manchuria.

TexasCaesar
05-13-2015, 02:39 AM
To everybody calling for Jack the Ripper, I'd just like to point out that he was active in 1888. 20 years after the beginning of Syndicate.

Goxxi
05-13-2015, 02:48 AM
yes and also he was totally irrelevant in historical sense , I mean who was Jack the Ripper , some random maniac who was killing the prostitutes.

TexasCaesar
05-13-2015, 03:01 AM
Not even impressive as a serial killer. I mean, really, the only reason anybody cares about him is because of the media circus that accompanied his acts. Both his victims and his methods of killing are really rather dull. There's more interesting serial killers even within his time...

Civona
05-13-2015, 03:49 AM
"nobody important died during that time"? This was a time where a huge new class had emerged, most of whom had a ton of influence over the common people despite not coming from the typically privileged backgrounds.

This is where Templars began preferring to infiltrate businesses rather than Monarchies, because that was were the greater power lay. They STOPPED hiding in plain sight, and instead hid in places that would render them basically invisible to history and to the people of the day.

There were thousands of businessmen during that time. I'm pretty sure all of them died at some point. Even surer that a portion of those people died in mysterious circumstances, or as the result of murder.

It could also be possible that some of the more visible people were simply Templars who evaded assassination or were spared. Queen Victoria is famous for surviving countless attempts on her life, and this is something I found when reading her Wikipedia page:


Victoria saw the expansion of the British Empire as civilizing and benign, protecting native peoples from more aggressive powers or cruel rulers: "It is not in our custom to annex countries", she said, "unless we are obliged & forced to do so."
(personally I'd like this to be interpreted as her resigned knowledge of the Templars among her leadership, making her sympathetic to the Assassin plight)

Would it not be an interesting thing if the kinds of Templars we traditionally went after were no longer the ones truly in control? If the growingly limited influence of the upper class limited their use to the Order, making them more like figureheads among the Templars, people they turned simply because they could? This could lead to some interesting story beats. Imagine Assassins confronting and debating with Templars they don't actually need to bother killing.

My knowledge of this period is mostly limited to stuff I've been reading on the internet this week, so excuse me if I've made any grave errors.

TexasCaesar
05-13-2015, 06:50 AM
So, in a broad sense, are modern Templars focused on business, ideology, or both? Because I understand the Assassins as having become gradualist socialists (the Mensheviks) and the Templars as becoming both revolutionary socialists (Bolsheviks) and fascists (the Nazis).

Civona
05-13-2015, 07:02 AM
So, in a broad sense, are modern Templars focused on business, ideology, or both? Because I understand the Assassins as having become gradualist socialists (the Mensheviks) and the Templars as becoming both revolutionary socialists (Bolsheviks) and fascists (the Nazis).

I'd sum up their modern approach as "business as a means of realizing ideology". That is I think the guiding principle on which Abstergo was founded, to use the benefits of its global commercial reach to further capitalism, and to fund research, development, operations, and recruitment for the aim of achieving absolute control over the earth.

But Abstergo was founded in the 1930s, the exact path the Templars took to arrive at that approach hasn't been charted in any of the games. Unity was the first to really try to show how the seeds of the idea got planted, and I suspect this game will deal with those seeds beginning to grow.