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MZ6
03-18-2004, 03:15 PM
Any long time p47 flyers notice that the P38 does what a P47 does, only better!

MZ6
03-18-2004, 03:15 PM
Any long time p47 flyers notice that the P38 does what a P47 does, only better!

StellarRat
03-18-2004, 03:19 PM
Umm... NO.

ajafoofoo
03-18-2004, 03:20 PM
I think it does as good or better for ground attack.

But the p47 will trounce the 38 at altitude.

JG7_Rall
03-18-2004, 03:21 PM
Jugs got much better high speed hanlding and is the king of BnZ. Lightning doesn't respond well at high speeds, so I wouldn't say its better than the Jug at what it does.

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BS87
03-18-2004, 03:29 PM
I think when it comes to dogfighting, the p38 is more of a mix between an enegery and BnZ fighter. Jug is Pure BnZ, and it excels at that. And you cannot beat 8 .50cals.

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chris455
03-18-2004, 03:37 PM
I love the P-38.
I love the P-47.
But................
lemme lay some of that "Haiku" on ya-

"The Lightning competes
The Jug is oblivious
content with itself"

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VW-IceFire
03-18-2004, 04:13 PM
I like both, they both require the same fine touch on the controls and they each have their interesting traits.

I find the P-47 to still be a bit better as a pure fighter. But we'll see about that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Steaky_361st
03-18-2004, 04:44 PM
No not really...Ill take the Jugs 8 .50s, Reliable Engine, toughness, and high speed elevator response any day....


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p1ngu666
03-18-2004, 05:08 PM
p38 is like a big 109 in some ways

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UncleVanya2001
03-18-2004, 05:22 PM
You're grounded! Go to your room! And I'm taking your Il-2 & replacing it with CFS3!

BlackPhenix
03-18-2004, 05:24 PM
The P-47 in FB is a better fighter at alt. Ground role is about equal. They are both very capable.

Bull_dog_
03-18-2004, 05:36 PM
I flew the Jug often and now fly the P-38 often...as the two aircraft are currently modelled the Jug gets the edge for B&Z fighter... The Jug is the more stable platform at high speed dives and elevator response. I am much more adept at hitting what I am aiming at in the Jug and the 8 .50's do a good job of ripping up enemy aircraft....

The lightnings advantages are clear at lower altitudes as it is faster there than the Jug by far. The Lightning seems to have a better zoom climb, medium and low altitude speed and descent firepower...if Oleg fixes the dispersion the Lightning will likely be the better gun platform and speeds under 600km/hr...but not now as it is currently modelled

The thing I really like about the lightning over the Jug is that it is more escapable... that is faster in a shallow sustained dive and it (the J) is faster than all its contemporary enemies at sea level as near as I can tell...that being A6M5, 109G 2 & 6 as well as the Fw 190A5...I even caught up to a Ki while ground hugging once...don't know if he was slightly damaged or not or maybe his engine was hot. The Jug is more escapable if you have 8000 meters of altitude, but online that seldom happens.

I can still put lead on target with a Jug best ...that is probably its best quality imho. I b&z w/ Fw's once in awhile and maybe that is my problem cause I don't spend lots of time in them but I find the twitch roll to cause me to miss alot even with those dratted 30mm uber cannons.

bird_brain
03-18-2004, 06:37 PM
I also noticed that the Lightning collects about twice as much lead from the ground as the jug. It is wise to map commands for feathering props & selecting engines because after 2 runs on a defended ground target you can almost gaurantee one engine will be smoking and threatening to catch on fire. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

It has alot of firepower with the cannon and you can take out an air target with one small burst. A snipers dream. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif but the jug can drop air targets just as well with all 8 .50s firing.

I think they are both awesome and I can see why their pilots swore buy them after they adapted to their quirks.

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PBNA-Boosher
03-18-2004, 08:02 PM
I don't fly the P-47 much, but when I do, I find that if I zoom climb, then dive down on the target, it works very well. However, when I am in the P-38, I fight on pure energy, basically, dive down on the target, and if I don't get it on the first pass, or there's another plane on my tail, I extend 2-4000 meters away before I turn and climb so I can gain my energy back and come down on him again...

Those are both very successful ways of using the P-38 and P-47. Tho, I like the P-38 more.

BuzzU
03-18-2004, 10:14 PM
The only thing I don't like about the P-38 is the view to the sides. Other than that it's pretty sweet. I like it better for ground attacks over the P-47, if for no other reason than you have two engines to get you back home. For DF, i'll still take the P-51.

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geetarman
03-19-2004, 10:14 AM
I'm becoming a dedicated 38 driver. One nice feature of the plane that I'm trying to cultivate is a rather swift rate of climb. I had three Zero's on me last night. Kept my speed up and just started climbing. Pulled away slowly and finally engaged one at about 6800 meters. It was an easy kill up there.

WOLFMondo
03-19-2004, 10:28 AM
I'm a real fan of the P47 but as soon as I got into the P38 I was hooked, I love its acceleration, speed and firepower. Its very enjoyable to fly. I definatly now prefer it to the Jug

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DONB3397
03-19-2004, 11:42 AM
No question, the P-38 can move mud! But it'll take a while to give up my spacious, warm TBolt cockpit.

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MZ6
03-19-2004, 04:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BS87:
I think when it comes to dogfighting, the p38 is more of a mix between an enegery and BnZ fighter. .
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought BnZ is the same a Energy tactics. The two types being turning/angles and BnZ/Energy

Anyway, I guess most people disagree, but the CFS3 comment was uncalled for http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gibbage1
03-19-2004, 05:20 PM
B&Z is you make 1 pass and run away. Energy tactics is like yo-yo's and wide swooping turns and keeping your enemy slow. The P-38 is not good B&Z because it does not have the take-down firepower like the Mk-108, but it is VERY good at energy fighting. You can energy fight ANYTHING in th P-38. Zero's, Ki-84's, 109's, 190's. Just keep it fast.

Korolov
03-19-2004, 05:33 PM
I have to admit, that while the P-38 is my favorite plane, the Jug has qualities I like better. High speed elevator authority is one, dive speed is another. However, the P-38 is far more redundant than the P-47, and that makes it a better ground pounder than the Jug, not to mention the fact that the Jug's rocket and bomb load cannot compete with the P-38Ls (it's a toss up between the P-38J and P-47D).

For going out and busting ground targets, then being able to defend yourself on the way home, it has to be the P-38. For interception, P-38 again. But for hunter/killer, the P-47.

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BuzzU
03-19-2004, 08:27 PM
The P-38 doesn't need elevator authority. It's got the dive brake.

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