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IV_JG51_Razor
08-25-2004, 09:19 AM
I'm curious as to why Oleg has modled the ground handling of all the jets to be so difficult. I can't believe that the 262, or the P-80 were that hard to manuver around on the ground! I don't understand why they are any different than any of the prop planes in the sim.

I'm wondering if Oleg didn't put some code in there to read the prop wash over the rudder to aid in the ground manuvering, and, since that isn't present with a jet, it's handling is much more sluggish. In any case, it's very frustrating, and makes me wonder what the heck he was thinking when he did this?!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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IV_JG51_Razor
08-25-2004, 09:19 AM
I'm curious as to why Oleg has modled the ground handling of all the jets to be so difficult. I can't believe that the 262, or the P-80 were that hard to manuver around on the ground! I don't understand why they are any different than any of the prop planes in the sim.

I'm wondering if Oleg didn't put some code in there to read the prop wash over the rudder to aid in the ground manuvering, and, since that isn't present with a jet, it's handling is much more sluggish. In any case, it's very frustrating, and makes me wonder what the heck he was thinking when he did this?!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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Dammerung
08-25-2004, 12:15 PM
Nosewheel steering isn't modeled I dont think. With the 262, you can put one engine's power above the other to turn, a little tricky but it works. In the P-80, He-162A, its a lot harder.

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papote10
08-25-2004, 10:55 PM
to turn any plane on taxing use the brakes,
in jets or props....try it

IV_JG51_Razor
08-26-2004, 10:43 AM
I have tried it Papote, that's the reason for this post! The jets do not turn as the prop planes do with the use of brakes and rudder combined. My question is, did Oleg model the prop wash over the tail, which aids in getting a single engine prop plane turned and would no be present in a single engine jet.

As for the ground handling of the multiengine jets, using differential power is almost useless, and doesn't come anywhere close to simulating what it is like in real life. I am a pilot, and I've flown planes without steerable nose wheels, and I have flown a couple of twins while getting my MEL, and I can say for sure, that the ground handling characteristics for the jets are really poorly modeled. I just wonder why. I can't believe that Oleg did it on purpose, nor can I believe that Oleg thinks that this is how they really handled on the ground. After all, Oleg is a pilot also, and should darn well know better!

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p1ngu666
08-26-2004, 10:53 AM
oddly the he162 turns WAAAAAAY better to the right than left. for me atleast
anyways my tips for he162
full rudder, stick to nose down, alrirons full with rudder, and 66% power and brakes
btw ive seen corsairs and stuff park, and they can rotate round one wheel, well odd when u first see it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
in fb, i can get nowhere near that

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VW-IceFire
08-26-2004, 08:54 PM
Probably because the Corsair and others have breaks for each wheel that you can control independantly.

Harder to setup for control config in a game...but might be nice to have (three controls - left, right, full).

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HalisMojab1
09-01-2004, 03:07 PM
I fly the YP-80 a lot, and it definitely is impossible to taxy. Rudder has little effect, and since you can't use individual toe brakes, there's no way you can turn it properly.
Once you've touched down, you just have to quit the mission.

NonWonderDog
09-01-2004, 05:23 PM
Incidentally, I was once able to land a Bf-109 with only half of my vertical stabilizer (no rudder). Yes, I looped it, but I didn't cause any damage.

Taxiing was very interesting after that. I COULD still turn with the rudder as long as I was pushing on the brakes, showing that differential braking is definitely modelled, but it was very difficult to get it to STOP turning. Even the most gentle of turns at very slow speeds with analogue brakes pushed half-way resulted in a ground loop.

Should directional stability at taxi speeds really have been that affected by a missing rudder? Are the normal effects of prop wash really so great that ground handling is nearly uncontrollable with half the vertical tail-surface missing?