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wotan111
04-10-2004, 10:42 AM
Im confused a little.

Ive shot down a BF109 yet in my pilot details it says Me 109.

Are these the same plane or is it a bug?

wotan111
04-10-2004, 10:42 AM
Im confused a little.

Ive shot down a BF109 yet in my pilot details it says Me 109.

Are these the same plane or is it a bug?

samba_liten
04-10-2004, 10:46 AM
The firm that designed the plane was started in the 20s under the name Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (dont trust my spelling), abreviated Bf. A few years later they went bankrupt, and were taken over by their lead designer at the time, Willie Messerschmitt. The Bf name survived for a few years though, so even though the planes were designed by Messerschmitt they were called Bf. This went on untill Willie got the name change approvedd in 1943 or so. Hence the later planes got the Me name instead.

georgeo76
04-10-2004, 10:49 AM
when refering to the 109 series of aircraft eaither BF or ME is correct.

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Tully__
04-10-2004, 10:49 AM
Same plane.

Germany named aircraft after the factory from which the design originated, followed by a number. The 109 came from the BayerischFleugwerk (sp?) factory, hence Bf.

Some time in the late 1930's, the factory changed it's name to Messerschmitt. Subsequent aircraft from this factory carried the Me designation (Me262 for example). In addition, in common use many of the Bf aircraft began to be referred to by the Me designation, even in official Luftwaffe and Messerschmitt documents. In some cases, both designations were used in the same document for the same aircraft.

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Chuck_Older
04-10-2004, 10:58 AM
Also, if one Engineer was particularly instrumental in the design of the aircraft, it could be named for him.

In the case of the 109, Bayerische Fugzeugwerke was the company that originally designed the plane. To me, it is more "correct" to say "Bf-109", for the same reason we had differences in aircraft names in the US: F4F vs. FM-1, or F4U vs FG-1 (if I recall that one correctly)

In those examples, even though Grumman designed the F4F, General Motors built many planes of that basic design with small diffeences, and it was an "FM-1". In the case of the F4U, Goodyear built many, and had an "FG" designation, even though it was a Chance-Vought aircraft.

In the case of the 109, to me, Wily Messerschmitt was an engineer who worked at Bayerische Flugzeugwerke, and was very important in the design of the Bf-109. For me, it wasn't until Bf had money trouble that the planes are "Me"s

Both should be correct, it's a matter of preference, I suppose. During wartime, I am fairly sure US servicemen hardly ever called a 109 a "Bf 109", though.

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lil_labbit
04-10-2004, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by samba_liten:
The firm that designed the plane was started in the 20s under the name Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (dont trust my spelling), abreviated Bf. A few years later they went bankrupt, and were taken over by their lead designer at the time, Willie Messerschmitt. The Bf name survived for a few years though, so even though the planes were designed by Messerschmitt they were called Bf. This went on untill Willie got the name change approvedd in 1943 or so. Hence the later planes got the Me name instead.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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sp is "Bayrische Flugzeugwerke" (Bavarian Aircraft Factories).

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3.JG51_Stecher
04-10-2004, 02:34 PM
In terms of the 109 model, both Bf and Me are commonly used, but only Bf is actually correct. The company name change was in 1938. All aircraft models that were designed before the change carry the Bf prefix, and all that were designed after the change carry the Me prefix. The 109 model was designed in 1934, and therefore carried the Bf prefix throughout its entire series. The confusion is caused by the fact that all the wartime 109 variants were built and used after the company's name changed to Messerschmitt AG. But it's not about the variant itself, but rather the model. That's why we have a Bf 109 (1934), Bf 110 (1935), Me 163 (1938), and Me 262 (1939). It all about which side of the company name change the model was designed on.

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WaffenKatze
04-12-2004, 01:31 AM
depend on Number 162

up to 162 ME
lower is BF