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Osirisx9
09-10-2004, 08:18 AM
Us admins at Birds Of Prey would like to try something that is not seen too much online and we would just want to float this idea by the community and see where everyone stands. That something is a historical 2 planeset server. Everyone flying for axis will fly the same fighter aircraft and the same would be true for the allies. We are also looking into a early war scenerio too with the early hurricanes and Vb].Spitfire iXc will be the firghter. Axis pilots pick the bird that you would like to fly against the spit X9c. and give your thoughts to why you chose that aircraft.

Thanks

RAV238thOsiris

Osirisx9
09-10-2004, 08:18 AM
Us admins at Birds Of Prey would like to try something that is not seen too much online and we would just want to float this idea by the community and see where everyone stands. That something is a historical 2 planeset server. Everyone flying for axis will fly the same fighter aircraft and the same would be true for the allies. We are also looking into a early war scenerio too with the early hurricanes and Vb].Spitfire iXc will be the firghter. Axis pilots pick the bird that you would like to fly against the spit X9c. and give your thoughts to why you chose that aircraft.

Thanks

RAV238thOsiris

CHDT
09-10-2004, 08:33 AM
Some other ideas:

- Hurricane I against G50
- 109E-4 against I16
- Ki-84 against P-63
- Gladiator against C32.
- P-40 against Zero.

or even 190F-8 against 190F-8 (like Hungarian ones against Luftwaffe ones)


... and so on.

So many possibilites of avoiding the boring "all available" setting!

VW-IceFire
09-10-2004, 08:38 AM
Neat concept to be sure.

The IXc historically would be fighting the 109G-6. I would include potentially G-6 and G-6 Late or even the G-6A/S (hard to say what the balance would be).

All things considered....the two types are very close for performance.

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El Turo
09-10-2004, 09:36 AM
A server with all 1930's planes might be fun too! The TB-3's might actually stand a little bit of a chance against pea-shooter equipped interceptors.

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I love flying early war stuff because the late-war planesets seem to be all you get anymore and there's just not much of a variety. Some "Battle of Britain" action would be fun, too, with Hurricanes, Spits, Emils and 110s all slugging it out.

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gates123
09-10-2004, 09:42 AM
FW-190 A5 or A6. Great for 42/43 planeset respectively. I think the spit IV vs the A6 is one of the best match-ups in the game.

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mynameisroland
09-10-2004, 09:45 AM
Why not have a 109 G/AS vs the IX it would make it more competitive due to the respective modelling of the normal G6 compared with the IX which is a very good plane.

Its also worth pointing out that the IX was very common much more so than the later marks which did not have a massive influence in the war partly due to the late appearance of the XIV and he fact that the LW in the west was no longer that numerus.

On the topic of LW vs RAF why not have a scenario of the FW190 A4 vs Spit VB

these are two opponents that fought in 1441/42 and would be a good battle of contrasting styles

NorrisMcWhirter
09-10-2004, 10:07 AM
Hi

Sorry to hijack the thread a little but UK-Dedicated run theme nights now and again with this sort of thing; crazy 'tag' matches with **** plane sets - just biplanes or less or similar. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It also gives rise to what is a decent BoB match up in terms of Spit VB '41 and 109E? I'd probably go for Spit Vb 41 vs E7/Z 41...

I like the idea of 190A5 vs Spit as these are two aircraft with entirely different styles required - would be lots of complaining about 190s running, though, I think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

An extension of the idea, obviously negating matchup) is both sides flying the same plane...(icons on)

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Scen
09-10-2004, 11:58 AM
I've been in the process of setting up my own server with the very same idea.


I love it. I really enjoy flying on your server and I think it's a great idea. I'm a little tired of the same ole same ole with the later plane sets.

I think a good mix of era plane sets is the ticket. It forces some subtle changes to the game and that's what IL2 is all about.

Scendores 2 cents

MEGILE
09-10-2004, 12:02 PM
Great Idea! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Maybe SpitIXc vs. ME-109G6 (late/AS which ever)

or

SpitIXc vs. FW-190A6

Both of these scenarios would be pretty fun. Realism edge, simulating a whole Spit squad/LW squad going in for a scrap http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Tvrdi
09-10-2004, 12:28 PM
nice thoughts..but with such SpitIX in FB (too fast at high alt and overheats after a "century" with boost and 100% throttle) no f dog...not to mention MkV overmodeled climb rate....I was hoping u would say that we must ban the Spit in USAAF vs LW servers as it should be, even without such issues...cause it was british fighter....now we have more newbies on servers flyin in that f Spit...cheers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F19_Ob
09-10-2004, 12:46 PM
U can see how this scenario works on GreaterGreen and F16.
Hurricane 2b against 109e.

70% of the times I fly those maps the blues outnumber the reds with about half or more because of the competition factor.

As u know, a hurricane cant catch a 109e in level flight, or climb nor dive with it, and in many situations even cant turn or scissor with a 109. the 109 also clearly outguns the hurri.
A damaged hurri seldom have the possibility to leave but a 109 usually have no probs even if damaged.
This is ofcourse high realism (outnumbering part too) and ofcourse a hurri occasionally bags a 109 but I have never seen red win the map.
Lately its not uncommon with a teams of 20 blue against 8 or 9 red.(so this have become a problem)

Under normal circumstances a 109e shouldnt have problems with a hurricane since the odds are for the 109. If the 109 team then outnumber hurri team there cant be any doubt about who is the winner.
Most seemingly need to be on the winning side.
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I must add that I once was on blue side and we were outnumbered (10 blue and 16 reds)
Blue side had still no problem winning.

I think that if its ment for red to loose, then U are spot on. If u want an equal fight, then a lot of thinking is required.
Perhaps team and plane restrictions?
The odds are still in favor for blue even if the teams are equal in number.

Why not test it on GG or F16 and see how it works.(i'll probably be there whining about teams on red side.......welcome! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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Tvrdi
09-10-2004, 01:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Ob:
The odds are still in favor for blue even if the teams are equal in number.
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thats cause there are more veterans on the blue side, believe me...u know why...we call that " a challenge" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
cheers

crazyivan1970
09-10-2004, 01:58 PM
Just a few ideas:

WTO:

(EARLY) 1941-1942 Spitfires vs F4, G2, A4, HE111, Me110, Stukies.

(MID) 1942-1943 Spitfires, 1944 ponies, P-47s , P-38 vs A6, F8, A9, G6/AS, G10, Me110, HE111, Stukies.

ETO:

(EARLY) I-16/24, I-153P, Hurricane (field mod), P-40E, Yak1, Mig3, Lagg-3, IL-2 (1941 1ST AND 2ND series), TB3 VS Emils, F2, F4, HE111, Stukie

(MID) Lagg-3 35/56, Yak1b, P-39N1, P-40C, La5-F, IL-2 Type3 VS
G2, G6, A4, A5, Me110, HE111, Stukie


PTO:
(MID/LATE) P40C, P-38J/L, P-39s, P-47s, P-51s VS Franks and Zeros and HE111 and Stukie.

Something i would like http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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F19_Ob
09-10-2004, 02:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Ob:
The odds are still in favor for blue even if the teams are equal in number.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
thats cause there are more veterans on the blue side, believe me...u know why...we call that " a challenge" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
cheers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thnx Tvrdi..... but I know about the veterans ...he he http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif I relly do mate....so I know what I'm talking about. 20 messers against 8 Hurries cant exactly be called a challange (veterans or not)......but what about this?...."shooting cows in a field"??


ohh..but wait....U meant a challange for the red side..oh yes..and what a challange..I'll remember to tell that tho the outnumbered team next time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif "dont worry about it boys, its just a challange". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Cheers back

[This message was edited by F19_Ob on Fri September 10 2004 at 01:25 PM.]

jensenpark
09-10-2004, 02:25 PM
Great idea!

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Osirisx9
09-10-2004, 02:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Ob:
The odds are still in favor for blue even if the teams are equal in number.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
thats cause there are more veterans on the blue side, believe me...u know why...we call that " a challenge" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
cheers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was truely hoping that this thread would not turn into a spitfire ixc is too uber and only newbs fly them thread. Personally I think there are some wierd FM issues going on with a few aircraft. I used to whine about them but eventually I learned how to defeat them. As far as the spit ix speed at altitude concerned, I've been run down by many 109s and 190s. My main concern now is that we have a good matchup.

RAF238thOsiris

WUAF_Badsight
09-10-2004, 02:37 PM
please dont limit the same year Bf109 against 1943 Spitfires

add a G6AS at least

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Tvrdi
09-10-2004, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Osirisx9:

I was truely hoping that this thread would not turn into a spitfire ixc is too uber and only newbs fly them thread. Personally I think there are some wierd FM issues going on with a few aircraft. I used to whine about them but eventually I learned how to defeat them. As far as the spit ix speed at altitude concerned, I've been run down by many 109s and 190s. My main concern now is that we have a good matchup.
RAF238thOsiris<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ok ur flying for the RAF...I fly for both side cause I love to feel every freakin plane in FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif...so, about speed...u should read few posts with tests...and whats about overheating in Spit?? It seams that it "takes a century" to overheat an engine of the Spittfire, even with 100% throttle and boost turned on all the time...I tried and never succeeded to overheat (online) his engine....to be honest when I finally overheated his engine (after very long time) i found it is a bit harder to cool him down compared to other planes......so, we need 2 fixes regarding overheating/cooling in Spit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif..those are the facts... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gifcheers

F19_Ob
09-10-2004, 02:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Osirisx9:

I was truely hoping that this thread would not turn into a spitfire ixc is too uber and only newbs fly them thread.
RAF238thOsiris<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sry if it looks like that...... didnt mention any thing of the sort in my answer though.

What I tried to say was that if these planes (109e and earliest Hurricane) are pitted against eachother (without limited teams or such) u most probably will end up with the same effect as on GG and F16 (as i mentioned in first answer)...and that is getting really ugly nowadays ( people leave )and the sense of fair play is very much gone.
Plz Feel free to check it out. I can never remember mapnames but they were BoB-related.
So ...it was really ment as friendliest advice.

My last answer was a bit too whiney, perhaps because this sportsmanship issue is bugging me more lately....(my fault SRY again)

Advice still valid http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WUAF_Badsight
09-10-2004, 03:44 PM
F19_Ob ever since i started hosting in FB 1.0 , people were far more likely to join RED

even if both side had same planes

the IIb & IIc should be against Emils , not the Mk1 i agree , but a lot of people who play this game have a bias one way or the other

what would be awesome is if we had British spec hurricanes (another hundred horsepower) , or a Mk1 Spitfire (same horsepower as British spec Hurricane , 1050 Hp) to fly against emils

i was in a Bf109/Spitfire DF room that was Emils versus MkV's , was a slaughter & the best the Emil could do was to draw the fights out

prehaps if Wep damadge actually happened , like what happens after 10 minutes to Wep Bf109s , people would have less beef with the Spitfire Mk9's

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Tvrdi
09-10-2004, 06:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Ob:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Ob:
The odds are still in favor for blue even if the teams are equal in number.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
thats cause there are more veterans on the blue side, believe me...u know why...we call that " a challenge" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
cheers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thnx Tvrdi..... but I know about the veterans ...he he http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif I relly do mate....so I know what I'm talking about. 20 messers against 8 Hurries cant exactly be called a challange (veterans or not)......but what about this?...."shooting cows in a field"??


ohh..but wait....U meant a challange for the red side..oh yes..and what a challange..I'll remember to tell that tho the outnumbered team next time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif "dont worry about it boys, its just a challange". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Cheers back

[This message was edited by F19_Ob on Fri September 10 2004 at 01:25 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

no no u didnt get me right.. i was thinkin that challenge is present when we fly in messers and other side in spits, late mustangs, etc.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LeadSpitter_
09-10-2004, 09:27 PM
exactly what I have been looking for osiris. It also really helps reduce studders that having 15 aircraft for each side causes.

I really hope you do this becuase to me its the most fun this game can get with those planesets.

For now all we have is greatergreen and virtual pilots for historical sets. I like virtual pilots alot but the finnish gulf only map has been running since version 1.0 has become to tiresome. "sry my drunk finnish flying friends :| () ) &lt;-- finlandia in cup "

I also enjoy warclouds alot but have played the missions way to many times there were its not as interesting anymore but i still think its a great server. Another thing that dont mix is enemy labels, 2-3 ground attackers at the most which is rare , insane AAA, and 3 death kick.

Which is why its very rare to see ground pounders in warclouds mostly just latewar fighters and targets are ignored. But there is some fun high alt battles same with virtual pilots. Greatergreen seems all the fighting is under 1000m because everyone hides low to the ground to conseal thier profile on the horizon.

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609IAP_Recon
09-10-2004, 09:52 PM
Been doing this for quite some time now - glad to see a dedicated host do it. Take a few ac from each side and match them up.

I had a good time with the 190 vs p47 as well


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rummyrum
09-10-2004, 10:03 PM
109f vs P40 is a fun matchup to me. This is my favorite GG map.

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Jaws2002
09-10-2004, 10:45 PM
Throw the IAR-80/81 in there too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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F19_Olli72
09-11-2004, 02:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
the IIb & IIc should be against Emils <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The map Ob was talking about has Hurris MkIIb's vs 109 E4. The stats for the mission looks like this: stats for Thames Estuary 1940 @ F16 (http://f16.mine.nu/missionstats.php?id=20)

Of 40 games, blue has won 26 times, red 7....

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