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Verber
08-12-2004, 10:45 AM
I am considering buying the gold edition but have my concerns. For I was told NOT to buy this game unless you are great in flight sim type games, because the players in IL2 are too hardcore for the inexperianced player to have any fun. That I would not even be able to take flight without be shoot to pieces.

As to flight sims...I played a few a couple of years ago. I even played IL2 when it first came out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif But, I had not touched a flight sim game in about 2 years now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So, is this game too hardcore for a new player with little combat flight sim experiance to enjoy or least have a chance in multiplayer.

THX

Verber
08-12-2004, 10:45 AM
I am considering buying the gold edition but have my concerns. For I was told NOT to buy this game unless you are great in flight sim type games, because the players in IL2 are too hardcore for the inexperianced player to have any fun. That I would not even be able to take flight without be shoot to pieces.

As to flight sims...I played a few a couple of years ago. I even played IL2 when it first came out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif But, I had not touched a flight sim game in about 2 years now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So, is this game too hardcore for a new player with little combat flight sim experiance to enjoy or least have a chance in multiplayer.

THX

Verber
08-12-2004, 10:51 AM
anyone

The190Flyer
08-12-2004, 10:56 AM
Yeah, this game is new player friendly, most definetly, I highly recommend getting this game, IMO it;s one of the best games i've ever played, read your il2 manual when you get the AEP gold pack, it tells you how to practice against enemies and helping hone your skill, until your confident enough to blast somebody out of the sky with the touch of a finger, also flying online helps a lot too, but online your guaranteed peeps will rip ya a new one, just because the onliners been playin for so long, the easiest way to start off is in quick mission builder and shoot down some friendlies,
I highly recommend this game to anyone http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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SKULLS Virga
08-12-2004, 11:04 AM
Yes Verber, if you are at all interested in airplanes then by all means buy it - you will have a lot of fun both online and off. Plus if it interests you there is so much to learn and grow with over time - but even with little experience I think you will have a good time.

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Kasdeya
08-12-2004, 11:07 AM
Check out this thread -IL2 Essentials (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=51910959) as well as this site IL2 Flying (http://www.il2flying.com)
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gombal40
08-12-2004, 11:50 AM
buy, install and learn. You're ego is going to be shot to pieces, you will think you will never learn, then you will contemplate a new better rig, then you will invent some new swear words, your blood pressure will rise to un known values.....
and then you will get your first kill---> then you will be lost forever.

Kasdeya
08-12-2004, 11:55 AM
and then you will turn out to be just like Gombal's Avator!!! lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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TacticalYak3
08-12-2004, 11:59 AM
Hmmmm . . . It will take a long time to be good at this game. It is very well modelled which means you will need to learn about aviation and combat, not to mention WW2 to keep up with the "conversation."

Bottom line - if you start playing it you will become addicted. So choose to have a life now and walk away or consider yourself warned mate. And sadly no I'm not kiddin'.

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Bearcat99
08-12-2004, 03:33 PM
If you want to jump in a plane and rule the skies on your first flight out this sim isnt for you. If you want to be challenged, have your knowlege of history kicked up a few notches, have a heckuva lot of fun, then buy the IL2 Forgotten Battles Gold pack and get the two patches. Go to the thread that Kasdeya put up and/or look in my sig and download Hyperlobby which is where most of us go to fly. I suggest you stay away from dogfight servers and go for coops. Practice offline a lot... A LOT. Join a squad if you are so inclined. Dont expect to be a high flyer in a week. If you want to be challenged.. come here. If you just want to play a game then get Battlefield 1942... or any CFS line of WW2 flight sims. Are you up to the challenge?

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Slick750
08-12-2004, 04:56 PM
Best game you'll ever put your hands on. I think people who play this are mostly adults and friendly and like to help out, loudmouths and complainers are not rare, but real men let the guns do the talking. The only thing that I find childish is people who complain about vulching and the famous "my wheels where down" type of replies...in a damn WAR sim. The guys who complain like that are playing for points, leaving to home base to collect points while their buddies are still fighting for their lives. Funny ****.

FI WILLIE
08-12-2004, 05:07 PM
I think the difficulty level of htis particular game weeds out lot of the less than savory players.

I've found the online community helpful and a lot of fun to participate in.

There are a lot of offline campaigns to help you develop your skills at boring holes in the bottom of the maps so that you too can do the same with as much gusto as TacticalYak3. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

J/K Tact has come a long ways in the game and is very helpful in our squadron with mission building and being a wisea$$ errr REALLY cool dude. His yak whistle was very effective at makin what ever I was driving fall down and go boom too.

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269GA-Maxmars
08-12-2004, 05:18 PM
No it's probably the least noob friendly game around. Seriously..

It's so incredibly detailed, and yet very little of the intricacies are explained in the manual.

Learning curve is incredibly steep if you go online only (mostly because there are a lot of good pilots out there), and "only" very steep if you play offline. So the advice would be start from offline and then move into the online realm (after about six months you've been playing it, or when you've mastered offline play, whichever comes first).

However, FB has the best replay value I have ever seen on a videogame. Sooner than you think, you will start buying wwii publications, reading avidly everything warbirds, frequenting the forums and so on.

By the way, you really need a joystick with throttle control, preferably coupled with pedals for the rudder (I use pedals from a wheel I'm using for racing games).

Welcome in the community!

Ak9779
08-12-2004, 05:29 PM
I have to agree with Max on this one. The learning curve is more like a learning cliff... Expect to do a lot of dying even if there isn't even another plane in the sky.
BUT,
If you:
1. Are relatively familiar with flight sims,
2. Read the manual
3. Check out the flight FAQs on this site and others (probably better than the manual, IMO)
4. Have a fair bit of patience and an hour or so free time per day

You should do fine.

Just make sure you start with a forgiving plane. I began with the I-16, which is arguably the twitchiest plane in the game.

But once you do get the hang of it, you'll find it to be an incredibly rewarding experience.

Later,
Ak

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carguy_
08-12-2004, 05:38 PM
No,this game certainly isn`t new user friendly but great bunch of ppl over flightsim forums make it up 110%.

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fordfan25
08-12-2004, 05:38 PM
this was the first flight sim i ever played but i was hooked right off. just make up your mind to play off line for awhile the game settings are very customizble so you can make the game easy to play and as you get better set it for more realistic flight.the hardist part for me was learning to lead my target when fireing but youll get the hang of it.but dont expect to be an ace right of the bat online.

WTE_Galway
08-12-2004, 05:40 PM
offline .. it s abit of a learning curve but just practice and ask questions here and it will soon fall into place

if you are talking about playing online .. join a good squadron .. they will train you and watch your back online and help you get the hang of things

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-12-2004, 08:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
offline .. it s abit of a learning curve but just practice and ask questions here and it will soon fall into place

if you are talking about playing online .. join a good squadron .. they will train you and watch your back online and help you get the hang of things<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto. The difficulty can be tough if you're a flight-sim beginner, but it's still well worth it.

Go online and prepae to die...repeatedly. At least until you get a decent foothold. But even then, it's tremendously fun.

TB



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[]_---_[] KITT
08-12-2004, 08:29 PM
Ehmm Fb is not that difficult to play. Believe me when i said so cos i'm playing with keyboard offline and getting plenty kills http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.
but i think i'll be getting a joystick soon. Cos FB worth it.

If it seems difficult to play at first don't give up, spend some time with it. Eventually you'll get familiar with the game and kills come easily (Fb is pretty realistic so don't except to get bunch of kills, 1 or at most 4 kills usually sometimes none). Plus FB has a dynamic campaigns (Germans, Finnish, Russia, Romania,etc). It has unlimited replay value.

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DarthBane_
08-13-2004, 03:50 AM
It is noob frendly if you fly spit, pony or la7, those are planes i give to my frends when they want to try flying. However pity i have no photo of their faces when i put them in FW.
Cannot convince anyone that FW can be used eficently.

Diablo310th
08-13-2004, 04:03 AM
Verber...it will take some time to learn the game to the point that you can fly decently. At least for an old man who never played flight sims. After alot of practice offline you will be ready to fly online...unless your ready to start dieing fast. Online can be tough...alot of really good pilots out there. I can gaurantee you tho that once you start flying it..you won't want to put it down. There are alot of good people on the forums that will help you out and teach you..but it really comes down to studying, and practice.

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Piaggio108
08-13-2004, 05:24 AM
Fly a easy plane. I think my first three were I-16, Mig-3(at low altitude), and P-39.

[]_---_[] KITT
08-13-2004, 05:52 AM
I-16 is not what i think is an easy plane. you can't dive unless you go inverted.

P-39 stalls quite easily although she packs a punch.

Try La-5, La-7, Great speed, can turn and well armed.

But just my two cents anyway

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plumps_
08-13-2004, 06:39 AM
Why doesn't anybody notice that he played IL-2?

Verber, if you enjoyed IL-2 you shouldn't have too much trouble with FB. It's basically the same thing with more maps, more aircraft and some more new features. Most flight models in FB/AEP are even easier than they were in IL-2. There is something like 'Complex Engine Management' in FB, but you can switch that off as long as long as you don't play online; it's not very detailed anyway.

Also you can practice offline against AI enemies (even unarmed ones) until you think you're good enough to encounter human players online.

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Aero_Shodanjo
08-13-2004, 10:35 AM
Have anyone added that you can turn this sim as realistic as possible or make it as "arcadish" as possible too?

You get so many realism options you can choose. From full real to full invincible, except if you're hitting the forest.

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triggerhappyfin
08-13-2004, 01:48 PM
Is this game new player friendly?

Not online atleast - They‚¬īll virtually kill you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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stubby
08-13-2004, 02:24 PM
It's like anything new, especially a game. Just buy it and roll. RTFM bro and then go out and get your *** handed to you on hl http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TacticalYak3
08-24-2004, 12:26 PM
Very kind words Willie. I just enjoy helping folks and building stuff - that's all mate. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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oddglob
08-24-2004, 05:51 PM
At the risk of getting shot down, had I read this thread as a potential purchaser, I think I might have been a little put off getting it.

Certainly I'm new to it myself, but I have been a regular user of other flight sims for a number of years, so that probably gave me a head start.

I think only one other person has mentioned the realism scalability, and to me that is one of the most important things about this game. At one end of the scale, the sim is incredibly challenging. And to be honest, at full realism settings it isn't a game you can just pick up for an hour each week and hope to be any good at all at. It would need constant attention and practice to remain competant at those settings. It's a game that you get rusty at very quickly.

On the other hand, with all the realism settings disabled, I'm sure even my elderly mother would get a kill within half an hour of playing the thing from scratch. Well, maybe that's an exaggeration, but no-one should be put off with the alleged difficulties of this game. Seriously, if you can score a frag in Quake then you can play this game.

There are so many realism options to toggle on and off that it should be scaleable to anyone's skill level, so long as they have a reasonable amount of manual dexterity with a keyboard / mouse / joystick.

I certainly don't play with every single realism setting turned on (although all but a few are turned on), and no one should feel this game is above them because they may not be comfortable with every bell and whistle turned on. I know I wouldn't be, and I like to have a life outside of flight simming.

It should also be pointed out that the game difficulty can be reduced even further in campaigns via manual entries in the conf.ini file. The required entries are explained in the various readme files accompanying each release of the product.

As I say, turn everything on and imho you need to devote an unhealthy amount of time to this game - afterall, it's just a computer game and it should take a lower priority in the scheme of things. One would hope http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

There are some things which could be done better for beginners. For example there is far too much difference between Realistic Gunnery turned on an off - there should be an intermediate setting for people coming to grips with the game.

I don't actually think the manuals are too bad - it's more that there are so many endless possibilities in this game that to describe them all would be impractical.

So I would say get it no matter how good you are or how much or little time you are prepared to spend on it. It can be tailored to your skill and tastes.

XyZspineZyX
08-24-2004, 06:34 PM
whoever gave you that advice is probably pretty inexperienced themselves...and likely not up for a challenge.

Any flight sim that has a marginally decent flight model is going to be a bit hard. We do not naturally "pick up" the skills needed to pilot aircraft. It is all *learned*.

Add in the black art/science of how to fly and fight in 3 dimensions, and you've just uncovered a lifetime of learning and fun.

Just don't set your expectations to be the next Erich Hartmann on day one, prepare to be humbled again and again and again and....and then again...

and your attitude is in the right place.

You can find help to help you progress faster. Usually all you need to do is find an experienced pilot and *ask*... or join his squad.