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Redwine
04-29-2004, 05:23 PM
Will be great to have those old features from SH1, be able to take periscope pictures in spy missions and to recovery shot down pilots......

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Redwine
04-29-2004, 05:23 PM
Will be great to have those old features from SH1, be able to take periscope pictures in spy missions and to recovery shot down pilots......

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ParaB
04-29-2004, 10:46 PM
How often did WW2 german subs conduct spy missions and pilot rescue missions?

Shan_Hackett
04-30-2004, 02:39 AM
Spy missions, thats the great mistery. Most of the German war records concerning covert actions were destroyed prior to the Allied encrocment into Berlin.

That said and done, there still remains, albeit conjector and spectulation, that "Spy Operations" off the U.S. coastline, and the former Soviet Union, were conducted, and certainly opereations to insert spys into Britain were conducted, which the British Home Office proudly verifys, as they claim to have captured/killed all spys landed. With some even put to work as "Double Agents".

ParaB
04-30-2004, 02:55 AM
Actually there are quite some ressources available about the U-boats involved in landing spies/sabotage teams, some interesting reading can be found here (http://uboat.net/ops/special_ops.htm).

radsov
04-30-2004, 03:15 AM
My Grandfather was based for some of the war up on the east coast of Scotland (not sure how near to any sensitive installations) and he has told me how occasionally patrols along the beaches would go missing ! Usually just a couple of men on patrol from what I can gather. These were more than likely taken prisoner by Germans on reconnaissance missions and I'd think these would be U-Boat crew.

Does any one else know of such occurrences ?

ParaB
04-30-2004, 03:23 AM
Why would the Germans be interested in capturing some guys patrolling the coast of Scotland?

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Shan_Hackett
04-30-2004, 03:42 AM
any intelligence is better than no intellgence i guess.
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Shan_Hackett
04-30-2004, 03:46 AM
@ParaB.

Aye i read thoughs, but thats not everything the Germans did, and as i said, "Most" records were destroyed, meaning "Hard" evidence is scarse at best.
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radsov
04-30-2004, 03:49 AM
I guess that depends on exactly where they were patrolling. But information gleemed about radar installations, locations of other sites, troop movements etc. Any information really. Capturing combatents was always something both sides did.

ParaB
04-30-2004, 06:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by radsov:
I guess that depends on exactly where they were patrolling. But information gleemed about radar installations, locations of other sites, troop movements etc. Any information really. Capturing combatents was always something both sides did.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Definately. But sending a sub to capture some guys patrolling the scottish coast? Happening occasionally? What could "normal" soldiers on patrol know that would would justify the risc to a sub and its crew? I remain a bit sceptical about that.

[This message was edited by ParaB on Fri April 30 2004 at 05:43 AM.]

radsov
04-30-2004, 07:28 AM
By occasionally I got the impression he had heard of a couple of instances over about two years. I didn't mean to imply once a month or something, plus these were only stories he had heard from other soldiers. Which is why I asked if anyone else had heard of such occurrences to back up this story. I wasn't claiming it as fact, but rather hoping someone could substantiate this. I think we're both as sceptical about this - well perhaps you more than me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Redwine
04-30-2004, 08:54 AM
I was not thinking about historical situations......

I was thinking in we will have a Mission Editor, and will be great to have mission where you must to enter a protected dock yard, take a picture and go out undetected.........

I remember a mission like this in SH1......... very inmersive.........

This kind of mission are so dificoult, because, you mut to remain undetected, you must to run at minimun speed, and must to stop when patrol ships approach you, and you can continue when they become far........

You must to enter the pier zone to take the "spy" picture....... and..... you must to go out there later......... double risk......

If you are detected, you are in shallow water......... you are in trouble........

This is the most inmersive mission I remember I had played in a sim ever......... running at one knot..... resting on bay floor.......I remember the sound of the japanesse props near me, Chhhh...... Chhhh....... Chhhh...... Chhhh........ very inmersive........

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nachocura1
05-09-2004, 01:18 PM
Perhaps what radsovÔ┬┤s grandfatherÔ┬┤s patrolling guys were gurding some secret instalations wich the germans knew and they were under the impresion that the patrollin men were guarding them. Just for the scepticals.

nachocura1
05-09-2004, 01:21 PM
And of course it will be nice spy missions or to be patrolling in the chanell and recive a radio message ordering you to go rescue a downed crew or pilot, that you will find floating in a raft and when they climb on board they are part of the submarine crew until you return to port. Will be great!!!.

radsov
05-09-2004, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nachocura1:
Perhaps what radsovÔ┬┤s grandfatherÔ┬┤s patrolling guys were gurding some secret instalations wich the germans knew and they were under the impresion that the patrollin men were guarding them. Just for the scepticals.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I really will have to give him another visit sometime and get more details from him. He was in the army for nearly 7 years from the start of the war until he was de-mobbed in '46. My statement on this was based on a one line comment he said to me over a brew at Christmas just gone. He must have seen an awful lot of stuff in that time, he was at the D-day landings but not at Dunkirk. From what i can remember he spent a lot of the earlier part of the war in this country and was not part of the B.E.F.

Until this Christmas I'd never talked to him about the war.

Capt.LoneRanger
05-09-2004, 06:03 PM
Germany subs, as all subs in WW2 did a lot more jobs than just solo-missions to sink as many ships as possible.

Operations included:
- espionage of coastal defenses
- espionage of radio traffic
- analysis of traffic (eg. ingoing and outgoing ships)
- shields for battleships or battlegroups
- protection for fuel-delivering submarines
- transfer of special units, special equipment and cargo (just remember the Japanese-German trade. If the mission had succeeded, the Germans would have had Uranium in 1943 and a nuclear bomb in '44!

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