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XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 04:58 AM
(Whistling Death) Now this is the most popular airplane of ww2 you have zeros now all we need is the sair, i know you guys have the 3D ,now im asking to add this as part of the add on ,How could you not ? Its kill rate was 11 to 1 aginst the zero ..I Love IL2 forgoten battle..also i love the sair. soo make it perfect! I belive "Alot" of people would agree...

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 04:58 AM
(Whistling Death) Now this is the most popular airplane of ww2 you have zeros now all we need is the sair, i know you guys have the 3D ,now im asking to add this as part of the add on ,How could you not ? Its kill rate was 11 to 1 aginst the zero ..I Love IL2 forgoten battle..also i love the sair. soo make it perfect! I belive "Alot" of people would agree...

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 12:24 PM
bump..

agreed

Definately belongs in FB !



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XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 12:43 PM
Since the theme of the eastern front is no longer the prime concearn, with the advent of the Zero... I think there would be not ONE plane more suiting to be added, than the corsair. Nope... note one.

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 01:58 PM
Boys, boys!! The F4U-1A is already in production, along with a 1C and a 1D model. If we can make it in time, we'll grab an F4U-4 and an F4U-1 for you. But let's finish the F4U-1A first, because if that doesn't get done, nothing will.

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XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 05:43 PM
A Big, Huge BUMP !!!!!

Agreed. We need the Corsair...............

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 05:48 PM
Can't wait to fly the corsair again... oh my god, i miss this bird. It's the best of all birds. The best or one of the best BnZ plane.

S~

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 06:19 PM
Bump i want it to it would have been a nice xmas present



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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 05:30 AM
Sexiest plane by far

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 06:51 AM
http://home.att.net/~historyzone/F4U-4.html

this is a pretty interesting report claiming that maybe the F4U-4 Corsair was a better plane thant the Mustang (P-51D)

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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 09:11 AM
Yes, we need it or an Hellcat.



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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 09:42 AM
and the Wildcat /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


Why do people always want the late war planes?

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 03:44 PM
Heck, The Wildcat, Hellcat, Corsair and possibly the Avenger and SBD...with the P-38 already included the Allied side of the Pacific Theater would be practically covered.



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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 03:47 PM
VVS-Manuc wrote:
- and the Wildcat /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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-
- Why do people always want the late war planes?

Good question!

But...now we have A6M5 and Ki 84....a massacre if you fly with a F4F. I would like have, at least, these classic P acific Theater birds:

F4F "Wildcat" - A6M2
F6F "Hellcat" - A6M5
F4U "Corsair" - A6M5
SBD "Dauntless"
Kate
Val

6 new aircrafts.....too much i'm afraid but absolutely we need one of them. P 40 (1941) is ok for A6M2; but we have also A6M5 and Ki 84.
There is not Pacific, for my opinion, without at least one between Hellcat or Corsair.

Regards.



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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 07:07 PM
Veltro wrote:
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-- There is not Pacific, for my opinion, without at
- least one between Hellcat or Corsair.
-
- Regards.
-


Agreed. If we don't get the lot, we need at the least either a Corsair OR Hellcat!




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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 07:52 PM
I agree. We need corsair!

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 08:46 PM
I like the Corsair, but the War in the Pacific was won by the F6F Hellcat. According to the next to last issue of "TailHook" magazine the F6F Hellcat shot down 80.2 aircraft for every Hellcat lost to enemy action. That is probably the best in the world. Remember the Corsair was nicknamed the "Ensign eliminator" by Navy pilots of WWII because of its Carrier Deck characteristics (Landing) and was banned to the US Marine Corps land bases because of its initial lack of carrier suitability. Additionally, Japanese pilots considered the F6F Hellcat the most capable US Navy fighter because it was "more maneuverable" against the Zero.
The first Model of the XF4u was considered the fastest plane in the World after is early test flights, but by the time it was ready to go to serious war, it suffered like all Military aircraft with the war tools and manufacturing changes needed to produce the airplane by the thousands. It still was a very fast fighter.

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 11:36 PM
So, perhaps now is a good time to summarize the performance of the F4U-4. Let's compare it to the aircraft generally believed to be the best all-around fighter of World War Two, the North American P-51D Mustang.

Speed: The -4 was about 10 mph faster than the P-51D at the altitude where the Mustang developed it's highest speed.
Advantage: F4U-4

Climb: The -4 Corsair was a remarkable climber despite its size and weight. It could out-climb the Mustang by nearly 800 fpm.
Advantage: F4U-4

Maneuverability: The F4U-4 was one of the very best. According to Jeffrey Ethell: "Of all World War II fighters, the Corsair was probably the finest in air-to-air combat for a balance of maneuverability and responsiveness. The -4, the last wartime version is considered by many pilots who have flown the entire line to be the best of them all..." Indeed, the F4U-4 had few, if any equals at the business of ACM (air combat maneuvering).
Advantage: F4U-4

In conclusion, it would be hard, no, impossible to dismiss the F4U-4 as the leading candidate for the "best fighter/bomber of WWII". Furthermore, there is strong evidence that it very well may be the best piston engine fighter (to see combat) period. Certainly, everyone can agree on this: The F4U-4 Corsair was at the pinnacle of WWII piston engine technology and performance. When people debate the relative merits of the great fighter aircraft of WWII, they would be remiss in not acknowledging the F4U-4 as one of the very best, and in the educated opinion of many, "the best" fighter aircraft to fly into combat in World War II.

Armament: Equipped with either six .50 caliber machine guns or four 20mm cannons, the -4 had more than adequate firepower to destroy any aircraft. It was the premier load carrying single engine fighter of the war. It could get airborne with bomb loads exceeding that of some twin engine medium bombers.
Advantage: F4U-4

Survivability: There was no other single engine fighter flown during the war that could absorb greater battle damage than the Corsair and still get home. Even the USAAF admitted that the F4U was a more rugged airframe than the tank-like P-47 Thunderbolt. That is a remarkable admission. The big Pratt & Whitney radial engine would continue to run and make power despite have one or more cylinders shot off. The P-51D, on the other hand, could be brought down by a single rifle bullet anywhere in the cooling system.
Advantage: F4U-4

Useful range: The F4U-4 had roughly the same radius of action as the Republic P-47D-25-RE, which flew escort missions deep into Germany as far as Berlin (the P-47D-25-RE had 100 gallons of additional internal fuel capacity). Yet, the P-51D still maintained a big edge in endurance.
Advantage: P-51D

Ease of flight: Despite gaining the nickname of "Ensign Eliminator", the F4U series tendency to roll under torque was no more difficult to handle than any other high powered fighter of the era. Some who have flown both the Corsair and the Mustang state without hesitation that the P-51 exhibited a greater propensity to roll on its back than did the F4U. Moreover, the Corsair was a far more forgiving aircraft when entering a stall. Although it would drop its right wing abruptly, the aircraft gave plenty of advanced warning of an impending stall by entering a pronounced buffeting about 6-7 mph before the wing dropped. The P-51, however, gave no warning of an impending stall. When it did stall, it was with a total loss of pilot control, rolling inverted with a severe aileron snatch. Recovery usually used up 500 ft or more of altitude. It was not uncommon for Mustangs to spin out of tight turns during dogfights. The F4U could also be flown at speeds more than 30 mph slower than that at which the Mustang stalled. In other words, the P-51 could not hope to follow a Corsair in a low speed turning fight.
Advantage: F4U-4

Outward Visibility: The Corsair provided for very good visibility from the cockpit. However, few if any WWII fighters offered the pilot a better view than the P-51D. The earlier P-51B was inferior to the F4U. Nonetheless, it was the D model that made up the bulk of Mustang production.
Advantage: P-51D

Finally there is an area in which the P-51 cannot compete at all. The F4U was designed to operate from an aircraft carrier. What this provides for is a utility that is unmatched by the better land based fighters of WWII. The ability to operate at sea or from shore can never be over-valued.
Obvious advantage: F4U-4 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


IAP609_Wayno wrote:
- I like the Corsair, but the War in the Pacific was
- won by the F6F Hellcat. According to the next to
- last issue of "TailHook" magazine the F6F Hellcat
- shot down 80.2 aircraft for every Hellcat lost to
- enemy action. That is probably the best in the
- world. Remember the Corsair was nicknamed the
- "Ensign eliminator" by Navy pilots of WWII because
- of its Carrier Deck characteristics (Landing) and
- was banned to the US Marine Corps land bases because
- of its initial lack of carrier suitability.
- Additionally, Japanese pilots considered the F6F
- Hellcat the most capable US Navy fighter because it
- was "more maneuverable" against the Zero.
- The first Model of the XF4u was considered the
- fastest plane in the World after is early test
- flights, but by the time it was ready to go to
- serious war, it suffered like all Military aircraft
- with the war tools and manufacturing changes needed
- to produce the airplane by the thousands. It still
- was a very fast fighter.
-
-

XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 01:30 AM
I posted the link to that already, right in this thread!
I want credit for that!!!!!!!!!!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
11-20-2003, 01:52 AM
u4 didn't see a whole lotta action though - and I believe the bearcat was the apex - at least in terms of a pure interceptor/dogfighter. though it saw less (none) action than the f4u4 - it was en route. I want the corsair too - but the u4 is a '45 plane.

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XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 03:42 AM
wanna know something funny? americans gave up on trying to carrier the corsair, cos of u couldnt see the ship cos of pilot position, and it bounced awfully.

brits fitted dampers and did a curved aproach, lookin thru the droop of the wing /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
oh, there was the brits who fought in the pacific too guys
well asia, my grandad was a medic in burma /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 04:10 AM
GunterAeroburst wrote:
- I posted the link to that already, right in this
- thread!
and he did!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 06:12 AM
FB Corsair update can be found here:

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/533.html

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XyZspineZyX
11-20-2003, 11:19 PM
BUMP the Corsair in any version. Chesty Puller's favorite plane!

XyZspineZyX
11-21-2003, 09:52 AM
What was it called? The bent wing bird? Bent wing devil? Blue bastard? LOL I don't remember her nicknames but whatever they were, please put her in the game!

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XyZspineZyX
11-21-2003, 02:12 PM
Thunderbolt56 wrote:
- Heck, The Wildcat, Hellcat, Corsair and possibly the
- Avenger and SBD...with the P-38 already included the
- Allied side of the Pacific Theater would be
- practically covered.

No - you'd have the US planeset covered. This does
not constitute the the Allied planeset, which would
also include (most notably) the Hurricane (up to Mk. IV), Spitfire, Seafire, Beaufighter, Blenheim, Firefly, and
Boomerang for the war against Japan.

If you are limiting things to just the island hoping
campaign, and excluding New Guinea then largely the
US planeset would indeed be the Allied planeset, up
until Okinawa, when RN carriers were heavily involved
(the British Pacific Fleet, based out of Australia had
seventeen carriers). The FAA also flew F6F and F4Us,
of course.

XyZspineZyX
11-21-2003, 05:19 PM
AaronGT wrote:
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- Thunderbolt56 wrote:
-- Heck, The Wildcat, Hellcat, Corsair and possibly the
-- Avenger and SBD...with the P-38 already included the
-- Allied side of the Pacific Theater would be
-- practically covered.
-
- No - you'd have the US planeset covered. This
- does
- not constitute the the Allied planeset, which would
- also include (most notably) the Hurricane (up to Mk.
- IV), Spitfire, Seafire, Beaufighter, Blenheim,
- Firefly, and
- Boomerang for the war against Japan.
-
- If you are limiting things to just the island hoping
-
-
- campaign, and excluding New Guinea then largely the
-
-
- US planeset would indeed be the Allied planeset, up
- until Okinawa, when RN carriers were heavily
- involved
- (the British Pacific Fleet, based out of Australia
- had
- seventeen carriers). The FAA also flew F6F and F4Us,
- of course.
-
-
-
-

S! AaronGT.
We already have 2 Blenheims, and some Hurricanes(not all as you note), Spits are being modeled, and somebody is working on the Boomerang, just so ya know/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif So that'd leave mainly just the Firefly, and Beaufighter that need work....


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XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 04:41 PM
Oblt_A_Wolf wrote:
--
-
- S! AaronGT.
- We already have 2 Blenheims, and some Hurricanes(not
- all as you note), Spits are being modeled, and
- somebody is working on the Boomerang, just so ya
- know/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif So that'd leave mainly
- just the Firefly, and Beaufighter that need work....
-
-
- S! Wolf

This was my point. Gib is almost done with the Spit and we already have the Hurri. New Guinea was important in the Pacific and should NOT be overlooked.

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XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 04:53 PM
Thunderbolt56 wrote:
- This was my point. Gib is almost done with the Spit
- and we already have the Hurri. New Guinea was
- important in the Pacific and should NOT be
- overlooked.

Indeed - it put Australia in danger of being lost, which
would have made things MUCH harder for the Allies.

I know what you mean about the Spit etc. Currently
they are vapourware, just like the F6F, etc, but AFAIK
they are all being worked on, including F6F, F4U, etc.

AlmightyTallest
01-14-2005, 12:41 PM
Bump,

I know it's an ancient thread from a little over one year ago... But Boosher mentioned grabbing an F4U-4 to model for Pacific Fighters back in November 2003.

Did he get to model the F4U-4? Does Boosher still post here? What happened between that post and today in regards to the -4 Corsair Models?

I'm just curious, because apparently people were thinking about the -4 corsair and probably even attempting to model it for PF long before I knew this game existed. Just wondering what happened in all that time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gibbage1
01-14-2005, 12:49 PM
No F4U-4 for PAcific Fighters. Its a trademark issue.

p1ngu666
01-14-2005, 02:18 PM
boosher posts here, and he doesnt model but he does good research and stories and stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

AlmightyTallest
01-14-2005, 03:40 PM
Thanks for the info Gibbage and p1ngu666. Sad to hear though.


I'm still confused as to why the Chance Vought Corsair can be modelled in PF as the -1A, -1C, and -1D versions, yet the very same type of subvariant of the same companies Chance Vought Corsair can't be modeled as the -4 lol.


But thanks for the answer, I'm still confused about all this trademark issue flap.