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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:21 PM
I have seen all the the films listed in the 'best films' thread except Das Boot and Stalingrad..

Can any of u guys pls give me info on them?

such as year made, country made in, language used (I have heard stalingrad was made in germany), tv series or movie and any other helpful info to help me track these movies down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks for your time...



Oh and fluke39 is a numpty :P

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:21 PM
I have seen all the the films listed in the 'best films' thread except Das Boot and Stalingrad..

Can any of u guys pls give me info on them?

such as year made, country made in, language used (I have heard stalingrad was made in germany), tv series or movie and any other helpful info to help me track these movies down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks for your time...



Oh and fluke39 is a numpty :P

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:27 PM
"das boot" follows the war exploits of a german soldier as told from the point of view of his foot wear; its very realistic and "down to earth" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:38 PM
"Das Boot" ----> The Boat

This is a superb german film depicting life aboard a german submarine in ww2.

It is well worth buying.

Nate

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:43 PM
Xiolablu3 wrote:
- I have seen all the the films listed in the 'best
- films' thread except Das Boot and Stalingrad..
-
- Can any of u guys pls give me info on them?
-
- such as year made, country made in, language used (I
- have heard stalingrad was made in germany), tv
- series or movie and any other helpful info to help
- me track these movies down /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-

Both were made in Germany, Das Boot in 1981, Stalingrad at around 1990 or so. Das Boot tells the story of a Uboats sortie, whereas Stalingrad tells the story of a German Assault engineer platoon in the battle of stalingrad. Dont except Hollywood style movies and story... these films try to show the reality as much as possible, which may seem boring at the first glance. But if you prefer realism, great acting, and well-drawn charcters, you will enjoy these films a lot even when you watch them for the 20th time! IMHO, Das Boot is perhaps the better movie, but thats only a matter of taste.. both are excellent.

BTW, the U boot captain in Das Boot is played by Jürgen Prochnow. He played in some really sh*t Hollywood movies since, but if you think he is a poor actor, just watch this movie. You will definietely change your mind.


Of course original language is German by default, but Stalingrad has English DVD edition, and I bet Das Boot has as well. IMHO the best is to watch them with original German dubbing, with English subtitles, that really gives a flavour!

Stalingrad is a single movie, whereas Das Boot has three versions, which differ in lenght and detail only: a TV series of 6 hours lenght and contain many scenes that were cut from the normal, the *movie* version of 2 hours. Theres also a Directors Cut version which falls between the previous two. Basically the series is a more complete telling of the original book from Bucheim. For Mor info on Das Boot, check this:

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 07:42 PM
You forgot "The Bridge" very cool movie (german 1954) its end of war in Germany, high school kids defend there local bridge against the coming allied advance boys vs tanks -

Das Boot (German)-get the directors cut on DVD added about 30 minutes of footage-you'll be 'gasping to breath along with the Uboat crew...

Stalingrad (German) (1958) and Stalingrad (German)(1993) the latter is a remake of the first..both are great and differnet-authentic equipment make it real enjoyable..

Cross Of Iron (U.S. director -Peckinpah)--James Coburn is awesome in this-I will show you where the Iron Cross grows--lots of authentic equipment and uniforms..ending blows

I recommend DVD's all are dubbed in English or subtitled except Stalingrad (1958) subtitle only

belleandblade.com is where these harder to find movies are...

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 07:55 PM
Das boot collectors edition was good, but man did that movie drag on. Good movie to fall asleep to and wake up at the end


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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:06 PM
Stalingrad is not a Film for people with a nervous stomache, there are some really bloody parts. It tries to draw a picture of the gruels of war, whereas the boat plays a bit more on the psychological side.


Oh hit, my English is getting poorer every week...

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:31 PM
Thanks guys, much appreciated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:34 PM
Before seeing the film Stalingrad read the book Stalingrad by Antony Beevor.
It will enhance the experience.

Then u got Enemy At The Gate but u prolly already seen it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:35 PM
I have "Das Boot" on DVD, a real good movie. If you want a submarine movie, don't buy U-571, the sub there, 's got some pretty fake interior. Much too spacey.

Buy or lend "Das Boot" instead.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:47 PM
To think that I watched those movies when I was a kid, yeah U-571 was practically heresy imo when it came to submarine warfare, the REAL king of submarine movies is definitely Das Boot.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As for Stalingrad, they did a great job but if you expect a hollywood style movie you might be in for a vicious shock.

I have both movies on VHS Stalingrad is in French dub while Das Boot is a director's cut German with English Subtitles.

I might add that I watched Stalingrad in a theater back in 1990http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:55 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- ................but man did that movie drag on.


as U-Boat sorties were./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Indeed a very interesting movie without any heroic stuff it. Tells like the war at sea was.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 11:38 PM
Das Boot - get the German edition with English subtitles
Stalingrad is the grittiest war movie ever made - except for The Beast
They both rank up there with Saving Private Ryan

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 02:05 AM
Doesn't anyone feel that U-571 is the Hollywood version of Das Boot? I mean, come on, the entire ship sinking to deapths below the rated deapth thing looked to me like as though the director had Das Boot playing on the side while making U-571



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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:56 AM
"Das Boot" is an excellent film, I have not seen the directors cut yet but I have the original release.

A must see.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 06:30 AM
i've seen the original TV series of 'Das Boot' when i was still living in Switzerland.

it's a great movie, the end is a little bit of a cop-out, but it's much better than 'Stalingrad' overall, and it beats the crap out of U-571

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 06:47 AM
Both great films, must have for war-DVD collectors. Amazing tho that people bash Hollywood and don't see the obvious scenes in the movie that echo Hollywood. A few well worn movie cliches in Stalingrad. The soldier who gives away his position but then gets killed taking the position for the squad, the hard *** soldier, the newbie soldier, and so on. There are quite a few Hollywoodisms in Stalingrad, but still an incredible film.

Das Boot is really good, with just a few spurts of over acting. Really a tremendous film in it's whole, and you really can't go wrong with any version. Find the super long version if you can.

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 07:54 AM
I too saw Stalingrad in a theater around 1990. It was the first gritty "no-holds-barred" WWII movie I recall seeing. I was pretty shocked. Lots of gore; no real heroes; pretty much everyone dies. And excellent.

It doesn't get mentioned much these days, but it created a bit of a stir back then.

fluke39
07-13-2003, 12:11 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Before seeing the film Stalingrad read the book
- Stalingrad by Antony Beevor.
- It will enhance the experience.
-
- Then u got Enemy At The Gate but u prolly already
- seen it.
-

It's funny u should say that Ven Cos

youv'e got my copy of that havn't u Xiolablu? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
yes, it was in that bag with my socks in /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
don't get it dirty now!

only half read it but 'tis a brilliant book so far.
also on that subject as i know your a fellow brit u should have been watching 'War of the Century' on UK History


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fluke39
07-13-2003, 12:26 PM
UR_Spinne wrote:
- Doesn't anyone feel that U-571 is the Hollywood
- version of Das Boot? I mean, come on, the entire
- ship sinking to deapths below the rated deapth thing
- looked to me like as though the director had Das
- Boot playing on the side while making U-571
-

arrrrrrggggghhhhhh

i know u arn't supporting it ... but pleases don't mention U571

as a brit this film deeply offends me (does it u Xiolablu?)
if films are to be written about history they should be done as close as possible to reality - in this case the film will effectivly re-write history for the larger american audience who will never investigate the subject of the enigma machine further than the film and therefore never find what really happended.
films like this effectively wipe out actual deeds done by real heroes and are replaced by fiction and fantasy.




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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 12:38 PM
I refused to see U-571 for the same reasons fluke. I was eventually talked into seeing it and they do say in it that the Brits capured the Enigma machine first. It states thier objective as obtaining one for themselves. That did appease my fears of them claiming that it was Americans who captured the first one.....

was still a terrible movie though.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:13 PM
Fluke -

I forgot I'd got that bag,! I may try and read it b4 I give it u back, no chance....:P

I will read some of it, I know u rate it very highly. I didn't realise it was the book of the film.

TBH U571 didnt bother me too much, after all we were all on the same side.

cya soon m8..


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Was shocked to find out that thanks to the maticulous detail das boot is the most expensive german movie ever ,made , STILL, wow.

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:24 PM
Quite simply, Das Boot is one of the finest films ever made. You must see the Director's Cut on the DVD (I have the Region 1) which restores over an hour of footage. DO NOT WATCH IT DUBBED! Turn on German with English subtitles if you do plan to watch it. You guys are right. U-571 is pretty disgraceful to just about everybody (besides the obvious Enigma capturing errors). Anybody know where I can get a hold of a copy of Stalingrad in the US? I can't find it anywhere and it's making me so angry because I hear it is comparable to Das Boot in its excellence.

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fluke39
07-13-2003, 05:38 PM
Xiolablu3 wrote:
- Fluke -
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- I forgot I'd got that bag,! I may try and read it b4
- I give it u back, no chance..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
-
- I will read some of it, I know u rate it very
- highly. I didn't realise it was the book of the
- film.
-

I don't think it is the book of the film

i'm probably about third of the way through and it's only just got to stalingrad - V. interesting stuff though i knew stalin was cruel to his people but never realised some of the stuff in there. one bit that really gets me is the 'Traitor to the motherland' business all POW's when freed- after probably v bad treatment from the germans were labelled 'Traitors to the motherland' and were almost all sent to the gulag and exiled or whatever - and this also occured to alot of civiliams who stayed in their houses (or left their houses ???)

good to see u posting on here by the way /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
o and i would give me that bag back, before my socks reach critical mass, and your house has to be quarenteened /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ars - thanks for putting me straight on that one - it was on terrestrial television the other day - if i'd known that i might have watched it - although it doesn't seemed like i missed anything though!


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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:57 PM
Anybody know
- where I can get a hold of a copy of Stalingrad in
- the US?

I would have shipped you a VHS copy free of charge but the kindda copies I have access to are in French.

Do you think you could handle a French version with no sub-titles?


Speaking of great movies, anyone has seen The Great Dictator by Charlie Chaplin? it was shot in the late 1930s, it's been banned from the US, it's been re-mastered and now I can have it on DVD, it might be Black&White but that movie is hilarious, from what Albert Speer said after seeing it in 1970 it was the closest thing to an imitation of Hitler.

You should see how Chaplin pokes some demented fun at Hitler, that's the kindda movie we don't see anymore.

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 06:04 PM
das boot, lol sounds like Da boot


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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 08:46 PM
The director's cut of Das Boot has an option for being in German- I dislike the english dubbed version because only Prochnow and one other actor were bilingual and the voices they choose for the english dub sound "off" and the lip sync is bad- they must have had a hard time writing english dialogue that sounded like what it visually appeared the sailors were saying. By the bye, the skipper who is honored at the club in the beginning of the film really was historically named Thompsen, it's not a screw-up that substituted an english-type name for a Germanic one.

Lothar-Gunther Buchheim went on two patrols that made up the story (he is portrayed by the war correspondant in the film), so the story is a composite. The ending is perfect, as the film is an ANTI-war film, not a film gloriying the experience. In fact, it may be the best and most powerful anti-war film ever made.

The story of making the film is curious, originally it was going to be a Hollywood production. The set that was built could actually be opened up to allow filming, but Petersen elected to not use it that way. It reproduced that type u boat faithfully. There was a full scale mock up of the u-boot made as well, for some scenes in which the boat ran on the surface.

Many of the actors in the film went on to have great Eurpoean and German careers, the actor portraying Buchheim's character became a rock star over there if I remember correctly. Prochnow made some dud films, but he is a fine actor when given a script he can use. In one scene, Petersen THOUGHT he was acting, but in reality, he (Prochnow) was unaware that the camera was rolling, he was just getting into character- it turned out so realistic that it went in the film! A very good and at times brilliant performance by Prochnow.

As for the interior shots on U-571 being unrealistic, I'm fairly certain that the set used in U-571 for many shots was in fact the very same set built for use in Das Boot, but this time, the set was opened up as originally intended, giving a more 'roomy' feel. U-571 is an ok film if you bear in mind that it is not supposed to portray anything to great realism, it's not an historically accurate portrayal of anything. Comparing the two films is like comparing Pearl Harbor to Tora! Tora! Tora!