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CaptainGelo
05-03-2004, 02:26 PM
how much faster, stronger, better is M10`?

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CaptainGelo
05-03-2004, 02:26 PM
how much faster, stronger, better is M10`?

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CaptainGelo
05-03-2004, 02:27 PM
tryed Google, but didnt found anything I can use...

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SteelMag
05-03-2004, 02:39 PM
Im relaying this from memory since i dont have my encyclopedia of tanks near me right now.

But, the M-10 is not a tank per say it is a tank destroyer. Early versions used the suspension and tracks (the whole lower part almost) of the M-3 Lee tank, with an open topped turret armed with an adaptation of the american 3-inch (76mm) naval gun mounted in it.

As for comparison to the M-4. The M-10 is faster and more heavily armed, To stand a chance against tanks the m-10 would have to ambush them on its terms and use its superior speed to get away. The 3-inch gun is simalir to the 76mm on later shermans.

I belive the M-10 had an average of 13mm of armour.

Keep in mind im relaying this through memory.

So its prolly not right.

CaptainGelo
05-03-2004, 02:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SteelMag:
Im relaying this from memory since i dont have my encyclopedia of tanks near me right now.

But, the M-10 is not a tank per say it is a tank destroyer. Early versions used the suspension and tracks (the whole lower part almost) of the M-3 Lee tank, with an open topped turret armed with an adaptation of the american 3-inch (76mm) naval gun mounted in it.

As for comparison to the M-4. The M-10 is faster and more heavily armed, To stand a chance against tanks the m-10 would have to ambush them on its terms and use its superior speed to get away. The 3-inch gun is simalir to the 76mm on later shermans.

I belive the M-10 had an average of 13mm of armour.

Keep in mind im relaying this through memory.

So its prolly not right.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Hans-Schultz
05-03-2004, 02:48 PM
my mothers father was a gunner on an M-10 tank destroyer with the 771st TD BN. he said they sucked. open top cause lots of wounds from air burst arty and aircraft. it did however have a 90mm gun to a 75mm gun.

CaptainGelo
05-03-2004, 02:50 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SteelMag:
Im relaying this from memory since i dont have my encyclopedia of tanks near me right now.

But, the M-10 is not a tank per say it is a tank destroyer. Early versions used the suspension and tracks (the whole lower part almost) of the M-3 Lee tank, with an open topped turret armed with an adaptation of the american 3-inch (76mm) naval gun mounted in it.

As for comparison to the M-4. The

Gibbage1
05-03-2004, 04:07 PM
Name Cartridge Proj. ROF Muzzle velocity Gun
Weight

37 mm M4 37 x 145R 680 140 580 96
37 mm M10 37 x 145R 680 160 580 109
37 mm M9 37 x 223SR 744 140 860 181

The Browning M4 was installed in US fighters such as the P-39 Airacobra and early versions of the P-38 Lightning. (See Note 1.) This was a slow-firing cannon, with a low muzzle velocity and a limited ammunition capacity, but for its calibre it was light. It was intended to destroy bombers from a distance, but its performance was not sufficient for the task. Nevertheless, Lend-Leased P-39s and P-63s with the M4 gun proved effective medium-altitude fighters on the Eastern Front. A later development, the M10, had the feed mechanism modified for a disintegrating belt, a change that allowed ammunition to be increased from 30 to 58 rounds, and was combined with a higher cyclic rate. This weapon was installed in later models of the P-63 Kingcobra.

A single P-63D was armed with an M9 cannon, a very different weapon, far more powerful but also far heavier. Its 37x223SR cartridge gave the same HE round as the M4 a considerably higher muzzle velocity. One of the types of ammunition available was a 752 g armour-piercing projectile with a muzzle velocity of 930 m/s, and at a distance of 460 m this penetrated 60 mm of armour plate. At the same distance the M4 could penetrate only 20 mm of armour. It is obvious that the M9 was much better suited for ground attack, but apparently it was too heavy for fighters. It was also experimentally used on a number of attack aircraft, but its only service use was at sea.

So, M9 is a differant gun. M10 has a slight ROF increase over M4.

I would rather have the M9!

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

CaptainGelo
05-03-2004, 11:21 PM
hmm..ok...thx

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