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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 06:33 PM
Look here, it's obvious, very poor!

http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=004676



And completely unreal, why did Republic for instance give to the P-47D a bubble canopy? Simply because the P-47C pilots couldn't see anything behind with the original canopy. No need also to describe the fact that a pilot has to be very firmly strapped during a dogfight and that he can move only his head and a little bit his shoulders, but with a big difficulty.

No, this "Linda Blair" back view is just a very cheap trick. A pure joke, it simply ruins the fairness of the FR servers!

People who will say this magic view is realistic obviously have never sat in a combat aircraft during evolutions!

Cheers,



Message Edited on 10/18/0311:00PM by CHDT

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 06:33 PM
Look here, it's obvious, very poor!

http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=004676



And completely unreal, why did Republic for instance give to the P-47D a bubble canopy? Simply because the P-47C pilots couldn't see anything behind with the original canopy. No need also to describe the fact that a pilot has to be very firmly strapped during a dogfight and that he can move only his head and a little bit his shoulders, but with a big difficulty.

No, this "Linda Blair" back view is just a very cheap trick. A pure joke, it simply ruins the fairness of the FR servers!

People who will say this magic view is realistic obviously have never sat in a combat aircraft during evolutions!

Cheers,



Message Edited on 10/18/0311:00PM by CHDT

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 06:36 PM
And please, don't say the "fairness" would be to give this possibility also with the mouse, it would simply ruin the realistic feeling of this game online!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 06:45 PM
It's a long known fact that you can enable LB view (doh, I don't even know who she is) via registry edit or usage of earlier drivers. So it's up to the player to use this trick or no. I don't use it and never will. But it would be good if the next set of drivers disabled this feature completely.

Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 06:45 PM
The object is to get on someones six. Not look at someone on yours.

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 06:49 PM
Don't worry, most gentlemen in this forum don't use that evil trick even if he knows how. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-wink.gif

But I heard that some sims officialy support LB view and they think it's realistic. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif


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10-18-2003, 06:50 PM
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Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 06:53 PM
Superluminal

Cmon! Your from the Myst forum right?

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 07:04 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- The object is to get on someones six. Not look at
- someone on yours.

If that's the object, then why did the majority of the trackIR users vote in favour of being able to look at dead six?
I mean, there must be some merit to be able to look at dead six because a lot of trackIR users obviously wanted it in (for themselves).



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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 07:05 PM
On an interesting side note, it looks like, while pilots were *supposed* to be firmly strapped to the seats, there are a very high number of facial injuries from landing and taxiing incidents, due to pilots not having their shoulder harnesses properly secured.

In other words, those pilots weren't wearing their shoulder belts.

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Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 07:07 PM
Dnmy,

No kidding. It was a funny. Stop being so freaking serious all the time.

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 07:12 PM
Who says i'm not LOL? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 07:38 PM
Dnmy,

Getting off the topic for a minute. I always enjoyed looking at your tracks in IL2, and learned a lot from them. Do you have any for FB?

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adlabs6
10-18-2003, 07:44 PM
HarryVoyager wrote:
- On an interesting side note, it looks like, while
- pilots were *supposed* to be firmly strapped to the
- seats, there are a very high number of facial
- injuries from landing and taxiing incidents, due to
- pilots not having their shoulder harnesses properly
- secured.
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- In other words, those pilots weren't wearing their
- shoulder belts.

Possibly so. I once saw some footage of a P-47 making a belly landing at a grass field. The pilot had the flaps at full down, and the gear was up. He also had opened the canopy back (it was a Razorback). From the looks of the footage, the pilot was leaned forward a good deal off his seat back, looking forward as he flared to slide in. So I guessed he had taken off his belt, or at least the shoulder straps before coming in, probably for fear of fire, while disregarding the possiblity of hitting the panel and being knocked out.

No reason they couldn't have done this in combat either, but whether or not they did, I don't know.

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Hawgdog
10-18-2003, 07:47 PM
Buzz theres a hack for trackIR that lets you spin your head 360 degrees.
Thats when I noticed on the rear shelf of my G-2 there was a perfect place to mount 2 8" woofers.

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Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 07:47 PM
I don't know about you guys, but if I was a WW2 pilot. I wouldn't strap myself in so tight that I couldn't look around. You can't evade or kill what you can't see.

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 07:50 PM
It can be very dangerous to fly unattached in combat evolutions but also during tricky weather conditions: I knew a Pilatus Porter pilot who crashed because he carried no helmet during a foehn tempest over the Alps. If his shoulders would have been strapped firmly to the seat, his head wouldn't have hurt the plexiglas!

Cheers,

Hawgdog
10-18-2003, 07:50 PM
I forgot, in more than half of the planes even if you could spin 360, you cant see cause of the head pad, or rear of the canopy, sure some of the planes give you an excellent view, but most theres stuff in the way.

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 07:58 PM
I just did a quick test on myself.

I can confirm you that my head can't turn on 360 degrees.

The stiff neck I've now is quite a proof for me.

Cheers,

Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 08:03 PM
I know this is a lame example, but remember the Top Gun movie. Remember how they were twisting around in their seat. I know it was Hollwood, but i'm sure they had tech advisors who would have said you can't do that. These are Jets pulling a lot more G's than WW2 planes.

Just a thought that popped in my pea brain../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 08:06 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- The object is to get on someones six. Not look at
- someone on yours.


That's exactly what I was thinking Buzz /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 08:11 PM
"Remember how they were twisting around in their seat. I know it was Hollwood, but i'm sure they had tech advisors who would have said you can't do that."


I did a few flights on the backseats of F-5F and MirageIIIDS.

In normal flight, a Mirage III, with its delta wing, is stable as a rock. You can dissengage the upper part of the harness to move you shoulders very safely. This way, you can have a view, backwards, I would say similar to the 190 view in FB when looking backwards. And it's rather comfortable to do that.

But during evolutions under highG's, it would be the most stupid thing to let your shoulders free. You could hurt this way the plexiglas very hardly and even with a Gentex, it's not a good thing to do (btw, with the WWII leather helmets, you could go this way unconscious easily)!

And in this position, it's still possible to look backwards, but it's real pain in the a**! To say the truth, the views backwards, as modeled in FB, look perfectly realistic to me.

Cheers,



Message Edited on 10/18/0307:15PM by CHDT

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 08:13 PM
I forgot this argument, if it is so easy to look in his six, why all the pilots in WWII were told in combat zones to never fly always straight, but instead to make constantly curves to have a look to what could come from behind!

Cheers,

Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 08:47 PM
That was probably easier than looking behind them all the time. It doesn't mean they couldn't check their six when they wanted too though.

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 09:00 PM
Warning. Linda Blair pilots in the area.

http://home.mindspring.com/~fhoffnar/IL2/trackir-lb.jpg


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Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 09:05 PM
What about the tracks knucklehead?

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 09:27 PM
Sry Buzz,

I have literally tons of em. Both for online and offline. But i'm not gonna share until the LB view issue is fixed /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 10:08 PM
In some WWII A/C there is a lever on the left side of the seat that loosens your shoulder straps if more shoulder/head movement is desired. It can then be returned to its original position (or tightness) when needed. I flew in a NA T-6 so equipped. This is no trick. It is for real./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 10:08 PM
I'll smack you silly. Now PM me a link.

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 10:20 PM
Looking for link Buzz. The lever was attached to the inertia reel in some manner and I could look back at the tail.

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/waynespics/images/Hawkinplane.jpg

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 10:22 PM
http://www.tpub.com/content/aviation/14019/css/14019_91.htm
Here it speaks of one in a modern day A/C. Still looking...

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 10:32 PM
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/newsletr/0110nltr.pdf
Page 6 for P-51.


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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 10:35 PM
It's possible but it's not that easy like TrackIR LB view.

It would be a good restriction when over 3G LB disabled and under 3G LB view enabled.

Considering FB and NP are different company, it would be difficult feature to include. I'd rather ban them and it seems like Oleg thought same way. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

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Buzz_25th
10-18-2003, 10:36 PM
Errrr..I was talking to Dnmy. You snuck in between us../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 11:54 PM
"In some WWII A/C there is a lever on the left side of the seat that loosens your shoulder straps if more shoulder/head movement is desired. It can then be returned to its original position (or tightness) when needed. I flew in a NA T-6 so equipped. This is no trick. It is for real."


Same thing on the F-5F seat, but it would be a very bad idea to use that during evolutions! And in any case, it's not possible to look directly back, even with the shoulders free.

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 12:05 AM
This thread is absolute bollocks. Please people.

Buzz_25th
10-19-2003, 12:07 AM
As if we knew what bollocks was.

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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 01:09 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- As if we knew what bollocks was.
-

Passes on that one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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The_Blue_Devil
10-19-2003, 01:20 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- The object is to get on someones six. Not look at
- someone on yours.
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To translate for Buzz... Stop Whining..Play Offense not Defense. =0p

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Buzz_25th
10-19-2003, 01:24 AM
What he said../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 01:38 AM
as a sidenote:

Just the fact that you're looking over the shoulder doesn't mean you're on the defense.

And especially when there's not a cockpit in the way, being able to look at dead six can hold some distinct advantages.

That's why the majority of the trackIR users voted in favour of this view. To deny the advantages is putting your head in the sand or simply not knowing how to take advantage of the LB view.

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Buzz_25th
10-19-2003, 01:40 AM
Shhhhhh..don't tell them. I like being able to track them no matter where they go.

Now where's my tracks!

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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 01:41 AM
wonder woman? what?

Buzz_25th
10-19-2003, 01:43 AM
Wonder Woman = No Cockpit

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10-19-2003, 02:29 AM
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Message Edited on 10/19/0301:30AM by steve_v

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10-19-2003, 02:38 AM
Oh Baby... Its Fatbutt time /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif