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TooCooL34
02-13-2004, 09:35 AM
Question to AMD AthlonXP 2500+ (Barton core) users.
I've been using 2500+@3200+ overclocked system, but I burned that CPU due to my carelessness. (New cooler installation in opposite way!! Don't blame AMD. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

So I bought new 2500+ cpu and it is not overclocked well like before. I'm using it in default mode(166 * 11) and I feel some downgrade in performance in FB. Is it normal? Is it just my illusion? Is there MEANINGFUL difference between 2500+ and 3200+?? (Of course, in FB!)

Maybe it seems trivial but it doesn't get out of my head all day long. no, two days! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Show me the light. I can't do my job thinking about this. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Following your opinion, I could shut up and just use this default clock or, I'll go to shop and buy powerful $35 cooler. I'm not hardcore overclocker. I'm just waxing my fighter plane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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--Quick Spec--
WinXP Pro, AthlonXP 2500+, 512DDR, FX5900XT 128MB, two SW pr2, TIR2

TooCooL34
02-13-2004, 09:35 AM
Question to AMD AthlonXP 2500+ (Barton core) users.
I've been using 2500+@3200+ overclocked system, but I burned that CPU due to my carelessness. (New cooler installation in opposite way!! Don't blame AMD. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

So I bought new 2500+ cpu and it is not overclocked well like before. I'm using it in default mode(166 * 11) and I feel some downgrade in performance in FB. Is it normal? Is it just my illusion? Is there MEANINGFUL difference between 2500+ and 3200+?? (Of course, in FB!)

Maybe it seems trivial but it doesn't get out of my head all day long. no, two days! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Show me the light. I can't do my job thinking about this. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Following your opinion, I could shut up and just use this default clock or, I'll go to shop and buy powerful $35 cooler. I'm not hardcore overclocker. I'm just waxing my fighter plane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



=815=TooCooL34 in =815=Squad, South Korea

--Quick Spec--
WinXP Pro, AthlonXP 2500+, 512DDR, FX5900XT 128MB, two SW pr2, TIR2

TooCooL34
02-13-2004, 09:41 AM
2500+ = 166 x 11 (fsb x multiply)
3200+ = 200 x 11

So it is like a six-lane road and eight-lane road.. uhh.. I think.

It's really nothing but I'm going crazy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif



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p1ngu666
02-13-2004, 09:51 AM
just clock it as far as it goes
sk7 from thermalright is a good cooler for not much
www.overclockers.com (http://www.overclockers.com)
got a database of coolers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
02-13-2004, 09:58 AM
I got a theory that basically you've met the needs of most modern graphic cards at about 2.4 gig Inten - or xp 2500+ - from there it's ram and what you can get outta the card. I've noticed only tiny increases in fb performance with increased cpu above this. But much more substantial changes when I increased the clock settings on my card.

currently:
Abit IC7
P4 2.6c@3.3
2 gig ddr400
wd raptor sata
audigy
9800pro

I've run an xp2500+ with my old 9700 card - flashed to pro speeds and oc'd to 380/340 with very close performance in FB - 3dmark for that rig was around 5400 - my rig gets around 6400 but in fb it seems all about the video - I've also run intel 2.4s with the 9700 and 9800.

Be interesting to discuss - but my thinking now is above 2.4 gig or so it's on the vid card.

Weather_Man
02-13-2004, 10:12 AM
Here is a comparison using a 2500+ at default, and at overclocked 2.2GHz:

http://www.imageshack.us/files/chart3.jpg

Cossack_UA
02-13-2004, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weather_Man:
Here is a comparison using a 2500+ at default, and at overclocked 2.2GHz:

http://www.imageshack.us/files/chart3.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get a good cooler (CoolerMaster, Thermaltake, or Zalman would do) and put it on a quality thermal paste like Arctic Silver.

TooCooL34
02-13-2004, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weather_Man:
Here is a comparison using a 2500+ at default, and at overclocked 2.2GHz:

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thx Weather_Man, You are master mechanic in sim world. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



=815=TooCooL34 in =815=Squad, South Korea

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
02-13-2004, 10:39 AM
well i just did an upgrade from a

2600+tbred B core non OC
1 gig pc2700
to a
XP3200+
with 1 gig pc3200

the rest of my system stays the same
mobo Ga-7N400 pro nforce 2
R9700 np OCed

i did the blackdeath test a few times to see how much improvement i get

i did the test on 1024x748x32 4xAF 4xFSAA
all FB settings maxed out on excellent

2600+ set up
avg of 50fps

3200+set up
avg of 65fps

so to upgrade to a faster CPU and RAM doesnt realy pays off considering the price tag
but that isnt the reason i upgraded ,i want to build a second PC cus i have plenty hardware components left except the RAM and CPU

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ZG77_Nagual
02-13-2004, 10:57 AM
Nice chart Weatherman - I noticed a leap when I went from the 533 intel buss to 800 (and corresponding ram) even above a slightly higher clock speed.

I've got a saphire 9700 non-pro oc'd - I got a freeby on my 9800 pro but that 9700 non is one of the best bargains - with a little extra cool it overclocks like crazy and is very nearly as fast as my 9800 pro oc'd.

Weather_Man
02-13-2004, 11:44 AM
Thanks. I actually did a much more detailed review of different setups with the 2500+. It was mainly geared toward Lomac, so I posted it in the Lomac forum. But I did include the BlackDeath track also. Take a look if you like:

Part 1: 512mb vs 1gb ram (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=38610606&m=678106881)
Part 2: pc2700 vs pc3200 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=38610606&m=536109981)

p1ngu666
02-13-2004, 11:48 AM
Get a good cooler (CoolerMaster, Thermaltake, or Zalman would do) and put it on a quality thermal paste like Arctic Silver.
thermaltake are utter cack, some cm stuff is ok.
get a sk7
just clock as far as u can, may aswell http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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AJRobson
02-13-2004, 12:07 PM
According to this: http://www.dvhardware.net/article2098.html

AMD is now locking the 2500 Barton. So this whole discussion may be moot.

Seems like the greatest performance gain is from buying a better graphics card.

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Weather_Man
02-13-2004, 12:23 PM
The multiplier is locked, but not the FSB. Default is 11x166. But, I can up FSB to run at 11x200. Though, you do need a 400MHz capable mobo to do it.

TooCooL34
02-13-2004, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AJRobson:
According to this: http://www.dvhardware.net/article2098.html

AMD is now locking the 2500 Barton. So this whole discussion may be moot.

Seems like the greatest performance gain is from buying a better graphics card.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wrong.

They just locked multiplier only, not FSB.
So, it doesn't matter in typical overclocking.
(Sometimes I wonder about hardcore overclockers. They overclock 1.5G cpu to 2.4G and their main application is Office and Explorer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
I know, we're also freaks to them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
)

You can do 190 * 11, 200 * 11, 220 * 11, 210 * 11 etc. Don't worry. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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boohaa
02-13-2004, 01:11 PM
The way I look at it is like this.The black death track is terrible for determining if cpu upgrades are worth it!!!!!!!

the reason i say this is that its just a movie.A jump in ram/cpu allows better FPS And also the fact that you can have a more dynamic battlefield.Its not all about visuals,you also gotta remeber that better cpu allows more headroom for AI/physics/ etc.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

steve_v
02-13-2004, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AJRobson:
AMD is now locking the 2500 Barton. So this whole discussion may be moot.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The multiplier being locked is no big deal. The origianl question centered on a
Barton 2500+ 166x11 and
Barton 3200+ 200x11.
If you have pc3200 RAM, there will be a definite measurable increase going from a FSB of 166 t0 200. (The multiplier remaining at 11.) RAM and cpu are synced on same frequency along with an increase from 1.8GHz to 2.2GHz. If thats not worth the price a quality cpu heatsink, forget over-clocking completely. Just a perspective from someone who has his 2500+ o/ced to 200 FSB. Your performance and perspective may differ.

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Menthol_moose
02-13-2004, 01:40 PM
make sure you have at least one fan blowing air in at the front of the case and one fan extracting air at the back.

4 fans are better though.

you should be able to o/c to 3200 fine.

I run that o/c speed with no probs

Its important to have a good fan .. but getting proper airflow in and out of the case is just as important

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Weather_Man
02-13-2004, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by boohaa:
The way I look at it is like this.The black death track is terrible for determining if cpu upgrades are worth it!!!!!!!

the reason i say this is that its just a movie.A jump in ram/cpu allows better FPS And also the fact that you can have a more dynamic battlefield.Its not all about visuals,you also gotta remeber that better cpu allows more headroom for AI/physics/ etc.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is not a recorded movie. All tracks play through the game engine just as if you were actually playing. It is a very accurate measure of in-game performance.