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HayateKid
04-05-2004, 10:07 AM
The modelling of the Hayate has been thoroughly discussed IMO at the following thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=210103023

I don't want to start another thread about Ki-84 modelling. This is just a general plea to server hosts to lift the ban.

Thanks.

"First learn stand, then learn fly. Nature rule, Daniel San, not mine." - Mr. Miyagi

HayateKid
04-05-2004, 10:07 AM
The modelling of the Hayate has been thoroughly discussed IMO at the following thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=210103023

I don't want to start another thread about Ki-84 modelling. This is just a general plea to server hosts to lift the ban.

Thanks.

"First learn stand, then learn fly. Nature rule, Daniel San, not mine." - Mr. Miyagi

chris455
04-05-2004, 10:34 AM
Fascinating.

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Osirisx9
04-05-2004, 10:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateKid:
The modelling of the Hayate has been thoroughly discussed IMO at the following thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=210103023

I don't want to start another thread about Ki-84 modelling. This is just a general plea to server hosts to lift the ban.

Thanks.

"First learn stand, then learn fly. Nature rule, Daniel San, not mine." - Mr. Miyagi<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must be kidding right???????.
I dont agree with banning aircraft but the Ki-84c is a flying freak of an airplane. I wouldn't expect it to be unbanned if I were you. Just learn to fly a more challenging plane like a 190, P-47, p-38,109s ( except the G2), p-51, and P-63 and you will soon see that you are getting better.

Osiris_X9

noshens
04-05-2004, 10:59 AM
So I have to read 10 pages of discussion to lift ban for œber X5 plane?

HayateKid
04-05-2004, 11:16 AM
Yay1 and Osirisx9, then i hope you ban the ki-84Ia and ki-84Ib as well on your servers. They are the same plane as the ki-84Ic. Only the armament is different.

Anyway, I do hope you read the discussion in ORR. Or add to it. This thread is not the place to propagate more myths.

Btw, P-63C flies very similar to a Hayate (albeit with less roll rate) and it has heavy firepower also.

"First learn stand, then learn fly. Nature rule, Daniel San, not mine." - Mr. Miyagi

resev
04-05-2004, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateKid:
Yay1 and Osirisx9, then i hope you ban the ki-84Ia and ki-84Ib as well on your servers. They are the same plane as the ki-84Ic. Only the armament is different.

Anyway, I do hope you read the discussion in ORR. Or add to it. This thread is not the place to propagate more myths.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No.

Two single letters should be enough to make you understand.
The "c" is the ephitome of n00biness.
You want to play Starwars, do it offline.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Btw, P-63C flies very similar to a Hayate (albeit with less roll rate) and it has heavy firepower also.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is that you notion of a joke?

When the P-63 becomes able to spit out the ungodly amount of lead the "c" does, then you'l be allowed to resort to that excuse, albeit it will still be a poor one.
Until then, resorting to that remark is only going to make you look bad.

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HayateKid
04-05-2004, 11:39 AM
resev, so i gather you think the "c" is just too good a plane to allow in dogfights? sorry i didn't know "too good" is a reason for banning.

my comment about the p-63 comes from its ability to blow up just about any fighter with a short press of the trigger (same as the Hayate c).

The LA-7 and Yak3 were never banned even when there was great whining about its noobiness. And in any case, so what if the noobs fly the plane, you're not afraid of the noobs are you?

"First learn stand, then learn fly. Nature rule, Daniel San, not mine." - Mr. Miyagi

Black Sheep
04-05-2004, 11:45 AM
The main issue I think with all the so called n00b planes is not their performance advantages, superior loadouts etc but the fact that there are still servers out there that mix early and mid war aircraft with these end-of-the-war uberbirds.

However, there are three obvious solutions to them:

1. Hit them on the ground or shoot the buggers whilst they are taking off / landing

2. Don't engage them in the air unless you have an altitude / speed advantage

3. Easiest of all, leave and fly on a different server

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LilHorse
04-05-2004, 01:19 PM
See, the thing I don't understand is if a plane really is that uber, why would anyone WANT to fly it? Would you really derive any satisfaction by zipping around shooting ppl down in such a UFO? Sure there are the La's and Yak-3s and G2s (which I still disagree as to being uber) but that thing seems to take the cake. I know one shouldn't take one's self too seriously in this game, but with that thing you may as well skin it as a flying clown car. It should be in servers for comic relief: "Jimmy Gyro gets shot down by some guy in a Ki-84c" (cue audiance laugh track).

p1ngu666
04-05-2004, 01:24 PM
well, flying against the C is NO fun at all.
1 pass, just 1 pass and u should be dead if u against a ki84C
p63c doesnt blow stuff up nearly as easly.
a-b is all u need for dogfight.

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BSS_Goat
04-05-2004, 01:27 PM
ahh

VW-IceFire
04-05-2004, 01:35 PM
What I want to know is why the Ki-84c banned and not the 109Z? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'd rather fly against the 84c than the 109Z.

What'd be nice is that the 84c gets a bit of a performance loss (variance in roll response) based on having heavier guns in the wings.

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JG6_Oddball
04-05-2004, 01:38 PM
hmmm I think that is the one plane i have not tried yet, so i can not say whether it is uber or not but it becomes a mute point when it get's caught low (or any where for that matter) by a 109Z http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif all the uberness and over modeling just cant replace 4 108's and 1 103 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
04-05-2004, 01:51 PM
on our server we banned the Ki-84C right from the beginning along with the La7 yak3 109Z 109K4 etc,if you ban one late war uber bird ban um all
altho the K4 isnt a uber bird we banned it to stop the complaining "why is there a K4 but no la7?" bla bla bla cr@p

i dont understand ppl anyway why they need the best of the best ,well maybe i do bcus they want easy frags cus this game is nothing more to them than a shoot um up

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HayateKid
04-05-2004, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LilHorse:
See, the thing I don't understand is if a plane really is that uber, why would anyone WANT to fly it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can give you many reasons:

1. noob
2. likes to blow things up
3. wants best equipment to compensate for lack of skill
4. feels no need to prove manhood by flying crap planes
5. gay
6. sadistic
7. thinks it's fun
8. wants to fly the best japanese plane
9. unhealthy fascination with heavy firepower
10. immature
11. uncool
12. doesn't care about what others think is the cool plane to fly
13. used to play Quake


what else? i'm sure if you try you can think of a reason.

"First learn stand, then learn fly. Nature rule, Daniel San, not mine." - Mr. Miyagi

BpGemini
04-05-2004, 02:17 PM
Banning aircraft because it might be Uber isn't cool.
Let the "n00bs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif" fly what they want it only makes it sweeter to shoot down an Ubercraft.

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I can see not allowing the Ki-84 in historical sets like '42 and '43.

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HayateKid
04-05-2004, 02:28 PM
Yes, let the n00bs be.

Btw, i'm not asking for uberplane in early war maps. All i'm asking is that the ki-84Ic be allowed where the ki-84Ib and Ia are allowed.

I think the ki-84Ic is not out of place with the Dora, La-7, Yak-3, P-51DNT, 109K4, P-63C.

"First learn stand, then learn fly. Nature rule, Daniel San, not mine." - Mr. Miyagi

Maple_Tiger
04-05-2004, 02:40 PM
Im still trying to figure out what to comment on http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif

To be honest guy's, i would rather fly against the KI-84 then the BF109Z lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Eagle_361st
04-05-2004, 02:42 PM
Edit: This was rather too colorful...the gist was that Eagle believes the 84c is no more of a problem than the La5/7 and big cannon Yaks, and that those are not really a problem.

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04-05-2004, 02:49 PM
Well Im no noob to this game, and have been using it since the day the Original Il-2 was released.
I really should not get involved in this one, but as a server in FB I did find it annoying that Online players tried to pressure me into disallowing the Jets on the German side only because we only hosted Historical plane sets from all eras of the War.
We resisted their childish ultimatums of course, and still ran a succesfull server for some period of time with Mutiplayers who appreciated Historical plane sets, with roughly equal numbers flying on each side too.

I really did get the feeling at times, that there is this idiotic school of thought out in the FB Community that because the Allies won the war that they must have had the best possible combat aircraft in all instances.

This simply was not the case, the Allies won the War through sheer weight of numbers and industrial power to back it up.
Not because they had the best combat aircraft in all instances.

Anyhow I have given up on hosting in FB, and am waiting for Pacific Fighters before I host DF servers On line again.
As usual we will be Hosting historical plane sets only, this time in the Pacific!

Hmmm those Carriers are going to be fun!

S!

LilHorse
04-05-2004, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I really did get the feeling at times, that there is this idiotic school of thought out in the FB Community that because the Allies won the war that they must have had the best possible combat aircraft in all instances.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, but I fly 109s about 95% of the time and I think it's just a matter of this thing being a UFO. Nothing to do with who won or lost the war.

HayateKid
04-05-2004, 03:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Sorry, but I fly 109s about 95% of the time and I think it's just a matter of this thing being a UFO.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What are you complaining about then? 95% of the time you are not even flying against it. Do you even have enough experience on the other 5% of your flying time (either against it or flying it) to be in a position to say it is a UFO. It seems to me you are speaking from a position of ignorance.

I think people's attitude should be like that of Eagle. If you don't like it, shoot it down, don't whine to have it banned.

"First learn stand, then learn fly. Nature rule, Daniel San, not mine." - Mr. Miyagi

Korolov
04-05-2004, 04:40 PM
Until you get some B-29s, I don't see the reason for the Ki-84-1c. It was, afterall, a uncommon variant of the plane.

No need for a sledgehammer when a chisel will do the job.

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-05-2004, 05:00 PM
Hayate, just host your own, or join mine. I have 3 maps that I host right now, mostly 1 though, the Mt.s map, with the entire 41-45 plane set side limited. Surprsingly enough, while it does tend toward the later stuff, it works out pretty well and sort of goes in cycles.

Anyway, there are at least 3 "red" props and 1 "red" jet that can take it down on a regular basis. I never understood what all the fuss was about. Unless people just don't want to change planes? IDK.

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Snow_Wolf_
04-05-2004, 07:45 PM
join slammin's server i think the Ki is in there

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jung0l
04-05-2004, 08:42 PM
Nope; as of earlier today no Ki-84c planes in Slammin's, thank God. Just face it dude; High altitude performance, roll rate, and armour/toughness of this plane are way outta this world from pilot accounts. Not to mention how rarely it was ever encountered.

But I feel that if any plane should be banned it would be that 109Z. The original design was two 109F bodies; how did we get the proposed prototype G6late bodies that are more powerfull combined that K4, and almost as nimble turn and roll wise? But when it comes to P38....ah I'll think I'll just stop typing now.....

lil_labbit
04-05-2004, 11:28 PM
Where did

"It's not the plane - It's the pilot" go... ?

thanx for the tip next game I host it will be there (airstart WITH me163 [unless...gimmethepatch!]) LOL

I bet I'll not get it off the runway anyways (seems they like labbits)...

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Capt.LoneRanger
04-06-2004, 12:09 AM
The LA's problem is the way to good resistance against damage. I always have this statement in mind, that a whole squad of LA7 was rotten beyond repair in a few weeks after WW2, when it was ordered to a subtropical area. It makes one wonder, watching an LA7 easily take 10 30mm HE shells from a P63 and a LOAD of Cal50 bullets from high six....

Ki's are the lamers excuse. If they can't fly, they choose Ki's - if they still loose, they call you cheater and leave. It's always the same.

109Z is the uber-noob-plane. It has the flight-characteristics of a G2 with the speed of a P38 and the firepower of 2 109 with gunpods.
To me, as is, this plane is just ridiculous.
Had some confrontation with it just yesterday and that noob really finished us off. He newer managed to land the thing in one piece, which was a very good qualification to be called NOOB, but he finished us ALL off - even his own planes...
Some planes SHOULD be restricted on normal servers. On WonderWomanView-servers, that maybe something different, though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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clint-ruin
04-06-2004, 12:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
The LA's problem is the way to good resistance against damage. I always have this statement in mind, that a whole squad of LA7 was rotten beyond repair in a few weeks after WW2, when it was ordered to a subtropical area. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well - here's the story you seem to be talking about, but I would suggest that using it as evidence of structural weakness isn't going to work out too well.


In his initial choices of birch and pine Gorbunov had indeed allowed the mass production of fighter aircraft using material native to Russia. Aircraft when manufactured were done so with a life expectancy under combat conditions of months rather than years. The wood was not treated with any preservative and so its natural life was not long by "normal air craft" standards. In deed only 2 examples of the La mark survive today. (Both La-7's one at Prague Kbely museum the other at Moscow Monino Museum) In fact the frames were so vulnerable to fungicidal attack that when a squadron was sent to a subtropical climate (after the war) all planes were grounded and lost due to weakened structural members so attacked.

One post war incident does reflect the design considerations undertaken by Lavochkins engineers. The country to operate La-7's and La-5FN's longest was in fact Czechoslovakia who maintained them operationally until 1950(Russia dropping the mark by 1947). In 1946 they grounded all but 2 of the mark on the basis of structural degradation. An investigation was conducted to find that the air frame strength had been reduced by half. After initial alarm it was later discovered that Lavochkins engineers had allowed for this in their calculations and that the craft were still fully combat worthy!


http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/deshist.html

You will occasionally see fighters take "too much" damage. This is not limited to the Ki-84 or La-7. Bf109s, Ta-152s, etc, have also been known to waltz away from 30/37mm hits.

BUT OLEG TEH LA7 DM IS BIAS BCOZ 1 30MM KILL IT!! FIX PLZKTHNX:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/tehbiasla7.jpg

AND HEREIS MORE PROF THAT OLEG IS TEH BIAS AGAINT TEH VVS - Teh ubAr 152 THAT DOES EAT 37MM!!1!

http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/tehubar152.jpg

Here's me looking for weirdness in the Ki-84 DM between models, but I couldn't really find anything.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/11.zip

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GeniusGoneWrong
04-06-2004, 12:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateKid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LilHorse:
See, the thing I don't understand is if a plane really is that uber, why would anyone WANT to fly it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can give you many reasons:

1. noob
2. likes to blow things up
3. wants best equipment to compensate for lack of skill
4. feels no need to prove manhood by flying crap planes
5. gay
6. sadistic
7. thinks it's fun
8. wants to fly the best japanese plane
9. unhealthy fascination with heavy firepower
10. immature
11. uncool
12. doesn't care about what others think is the cool plane to fly
13. used to play Quake


what else? i'm sure if you try you can think of a reason.

"First learn stand, then learn fly. Nature rule, Daniel San, not mine." - Mr. Miyagi<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Put me down for number 6 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyway, i like having uber planes, and not necessarily to fly myself... I find nothing more satisfying than sending these things earthwards in flames whilst flying something more mundane.
Don't complain about them, find a tactic to beat them.

What goes up, always comes down........ IN FLAMES!

Capt.LoneRanger
04-06-2004, 12:55 AM
Well, clint-ruin, comparing a wing-hit with a hit to the fuselage isn't that evidential either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

It strongly depends on where the shot came from and where it hits the a/c.
But if I even get a .303 hit in my P40, I loose control of rudder and elevator for sure.
Then, looking at a La7 taking 10 30mm shells and still flying unharmed, that's a little weird, isn't it?

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clint-ruin
04-06-2004, 12:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
It strongly depends on where the shot came from and where it hits the a/c.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's exactly correct.

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resev
04-06-2004, 01:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Then, looking at a La7 taking 10 30mm shells and still flying unharmed, that's a little weird, isn't it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Realy?
Then i guess i must be one heck of a shot, to waste'em all with a single shell http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif :

1x30mm La7:
http://img13.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Resev/MK108-experiment02.jpg

1x30mm Yak3:
http://img13.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Resev/MK108-experiment01.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/resev/images/2-picture2.gif?0.3524929147671928

Capt.LoneRanger
04-06-2004, 01:32 AM
@ resev:

Please read my post:

I said 10 hits to the fuselage. No word of hitting the wing. As I posted, you can saw off a He111's wing with Cal.50 bullets, but try to shoot damage an LA or I16 by hits in the fuselage. Ok?

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Stalker58
04-06-2004, 01:53 AM
IMO for more historical accuracy, such planes as La7, Me109K,Fw190D9,A9,P39C, KI84 sould be not allowed on '44 servers, because the planes were not present in any significant numbers till the very end of '44. But on '45 servers they sould be OK, along with He162, Me262,P80.

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

Capt.LoneRanger
04-06-2004, 02:46 AM
Agreed, Stalker58


And one more word to the DM:

I fear some of the problems with damage-modelling come from lag issues. Dunno, but on a few occasions it seemed, as if online and offline the very same situation and hits caused more damage offline, than online. Can somebody confirm that?

greets
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WUAF_Badsight
04-06-2004, 03:02 AM
some of you people are really ghey

& Hayate_Kid . . . . .

the KI-B model is more than enough for any KI fan out there in a DF server

its one thing to stick up for a particular A/C

its another thing to rubbish other people for flying a certian plane

as if the pilot has nothing to do with it

i mean come on , if you choose to fly inferior A/C in a all planes server then Kudos to you !!

if you come here to whine just cause you dont like certian planes then your no better than any spoilt brat you can find in any primary school anywhere

whaaaa , whaaaaa , whaaaaa , whaaaaa

Capt.LoneRanger
04-06-2004, 03:24 AM
Hmmm, I think you're refering to the wrong people.

I'm fine with LA7 3b20 and Ki's, if other planes are there, too, that WW2 did not really see that much in action.

Infact it's soooo much fun to shoot down Ki's and La's in my sluggish P40 - no doubt you can do that.
Hoever, I personally don't like servers with Ki's, because almost everybody flies them. And even more than that, when shooting 'em down, you 're accused to be cheatin' or bugusing.

The posts that the pilot make the plane deadly is right, but maybe that is why I don't like the Ki - because most Ki-pilots (and 109Z and LA7-pilots as well) behave like little kiddies - are really annoying - and they're just not willing to choose a inferior plane to the Ki, because they fear to loose.

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WUAF_Toad
04-06-2004, 04:07 AM
I see a bunch of hypocrites. They take pride in flying "challenging/crap" planes but they want to ban the "noob" planes so they don't have to fight against it... I don't get it.

Capt.LoneRanger
04-06-2004, 05:19 AM
@ WUAF_Toad:

If you're refering to me, I fly all planes, including "noob"-planes and "crap"-planes and I have no problem losing a fight and I have absolutely no problem with some people flying those so-called uber-planes.

But if you're online, the majority of the described pilots use those planes to be sure to win. So, instead of myself taking pride in flying crap-planes, I rather don't get the point of some people trying to score regardless of costs and by any means.
That attitude is something I don't like - not that I'm afraid to loose, but because I'm afraid they're on my side and, as it just happened yesterday, these NOOBs trying to shoot through their teammates to get the kill.
Yes, and I personally believe that this attitude can be changed by restricting the plane-settings.

greets
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Tully__
04-06-2004, 05:27 AM
Most of the regular hosts have contact details in their briefings or on their squad sites. Try contacting them directly.

In the end it's the host's choice....

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Capt.LoneRanger
04-06-2004, 05:56 AM
Yes, good point, Tully.

I allready choose servers accordingly.

greets
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Hawgdog
04-06-2004, 06:01 AM
I dont mind going against the cannon 84..pffft whats the big deal?

Yes, they banned the p.ll, then the hurricane, if you're afraid of a plane, learn to fly it, then know its weaknesses.
That 84 is a tender box! A few hits ANYWHERE on that tird and it either catches fire or the motor locks up.

weenies

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HayateKid
04-06-2004, 09:05 AM
Badsight, Korolov,

Total gun calibers of some aircraft

ki-84b - 66mm
Ki-84Ic - 100mm
P-47 - 101.6mm
FW190A8 - 106mm
Fw190A4 - 98mm
BF109Z - 120mm

(i posted this on the ORR thread also)

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Snoop_Baron
04-06-2004, 10:16 AM
I've had it on my Death Alley map on my server since AEP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Server isn't up very much since they haven't released the dedicated server yet.

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VF-10_Snacky
04-06-2004, 10:57 AM
Unfortunantly this is only the case when I fly it.lol
I managed to shoot the starboard aileron off of a 84b the other night only to watch him yank and bank with the best of them. I couldn't believe a plane without a full aileron could roll that fast and maintain control.
The damage model is wierd on that thing.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawgdog:
I dont mind going against the cannon 84..pffft whats the big deal?

Yes, they banned the p.ll, then the hurricane, if you're afraid of a plane, learn to fly it, then know its weaknesses.
That 84 is a tender box! A few hits ANYWHERE on that tird and it either catches fire or the motor locks up.

weenies

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Cossack13
04-06-2004, 11:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateKid:
This is just a general plea to server hosts to lift the ban.
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You can always start your own server.

AusDerReihe
04-06-2004, 11:42 AM
it's interesting to see people feel the need to justify their set of rules on a server when the server rules usually states something like; "if you don't like it, leave it".....

-[AusDerReihe's Law: The total ammount of your whining will allways be less than the whinig you will get in return for whining in the first place]-

easymo
04-06-2004, 12:01 PM
The problem is not the lc. Those cannon do what they are supposed to. The problem is that other planes, that where heavely armed, DON'T do what they are suppose to. The lc has always been my favorite WWII plane. But even I don't want to see this become a "one plane sim". On the other hand, I don't want to see the guns on the lc dumbed down, like they have the guns on the big FW's. I want to see those planes with large caliber cannon fixed.

There is always going to be a "best plane". You get rid of the KI. One of those SWOLW will probably take its place. Cheer up. There is always something to whine about.

AFJ_Locust
04-06-2004, 02:08 PM
Fasanating Indead.....

This is a plea for you to BAN ALL ki84s & the 109Z

Muhahahahahaha Die KI84 DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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VMF-214_HaVoK
04-06-2004, 02:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateKid:
resev, so i gather you think the "c" is just too good a plane to allow in dogfights? sorry i didn't know "too good" is a reason for banning.

my comment about the p-63 comes from its ability to blow up just about any fighter with a short press of the trigger (same as the Hayate c).

The LA-7 and Yak3 were never banned even when there was great whining about its noobiness. And in any case, so what if the noobs fly the plane, you're not afraid of the noobs are you?

"First learn stand, then learn fly. Nature rule, Daniel San, not mine." - Mr. Miyagi<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Most people ban the plane not only because it is UBER, also because every point***** in the game flys it. So it becomes boring and lame. And as far as the LA many banned it from servers before the free addon was released for the same two reasons.

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Korolov
04-06-2004, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateKid:
Badsight, Korolov,

Total gun calibers of some aircraft

ki-84b - 66mm
Ki-84Ic - 100mm
P-47 - 101.6mm
FW190A8 - 106mm
Fw190A4 - 98mm
BF109Z - 120mm
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And your point is...?

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HayateKid
04-06-2004, 02:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateKid:
Badsight, Korolov,

Total gun calibers of some aircraft

ki-84b - 66mm
Ki-84Ic - 100mm
P-47 - 101.6mm
FW190A8 - 106mm
Fw190A4 - 98mm
BF109Z - 120mm
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And your point is...?

http://www.mechmodels.com/images/newsig1.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the Hayate C ought not be singled out because of firepower. it's not the only fighter capable of bringing down bombers.

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JV44Rall
04-06-2004, 03:02 PM
Personally, I don't care if the KI variants are in the server. If I down one, I feel a greater sense of accomplishment. If I don't, I have an excuse. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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