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Huckebein_UK
09-02-2004, 03:23 AM
Copied at Oldguy's behest from the equivalent thread at il2skins.com. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I for one hope they show the film in the UK...

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Huckebein_UK
09-02-2004, 03:23 AM
Copied at Oldguy's behest from the equivalent thread at il2skins.com. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I for one hope they show the film in the UK...

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Huckebein_UK

"I saw the men; I just couldn't do it!" -- Franz Stiegler after escorting Charles Brown's crippled B-17 across the North Sea.

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Huckebein_UK
09-02-2004, 03:24 AM
The article was printed June 17th 2004, and the operation for raising the planes starts to day. Norwegian news from Aftenposten (in Norwegian):
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article811364.ece

Here‚'s my translation:

Plans for raising German bombers from Trondheims water reservoir

The Museum of Defence is planning to raise two wartime bomber airplanes from Jonsvatnet (Jons lake), the Trondheim city water reservoir. The cities technical department is currently considering an application from the museum.

(Wartime picture showing a He 111 with caption:
Plans for raising: A Heinkel bomber of the same type now resting in Jonsvatnet)

The German bomber fell through the ice in 1940, and is now resting at a depth of 70 meters. The intake for drinking water is at 50 meters depth.

- We have received an application from the Museum of Defence yesterday and will go through it in cooperation with Trondheims working staff, says Harald Kierulf from Trondheims technical department. - We signalled the Museum that we view raising the planes positively. Bout planes have been emptied for gasoline, but may still have oil on board. It will probably be necessary to place booms to prevent pollution when the planes surfaces.

Jonsvatnet is the main drinking water source for 170.000 inhabitants of Trondheim city and Malvik Township. A smaller lake, Leirsj√¬łen (actually means ‚"Muddy Lake‚"Ě) also serves as drinking water, but this water has lower quality.

- The German bombers do not lie close to the drinking water intake. It‚'s still possible that sediment from the bottom may be mixed into the water and enter the intake. On the other hand, I‚'m pretty sure the filters and alkaline treatment will remove any suspended particles, says Kierulf.

An underwater camera investigated the state of the German bombers in May this year. Ė The planes seem to be in very good shape, though all magnesium parts has eroded away long time ago, says Roar Glenne, chief technical advisor for planes at the Museum of Defence. Ė The two planes are a Junker 88 and a Heinkel 111 that operated from Jonsvatnet between 10th and 22nd of April 1940. Bout planes are therefore a part of the operations in Norway in 1940 and should be exhibited here in Norway. The tail rudders were taken off bout planes before they sunk, and they lay upside down in the lake. Photographs show that gasoline was removed from bout. Some barrels with unknown content lies beside the planes.

A film about the history of the planes and the raising will be made in connection with the operation, which is planned late this summer.

I tried to post this at IL2-forums, but copying text into the body text box gives me the old ".... is a mandatory field". If some of you can post it there, please do.

Best
Oldguy

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Huckebein_UK

"I saw the men; I just couldn't do it!" -- Franz Stiegler after escorting Charles Brown's crippled B-17 across the North Sea.

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Friendly_flyer
09-02-2004, 03:45 AM
Thanks Huckbein!

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Fly friendly!

Petter B√¬łckman
Norway

Huckebein_UK
09-02-2004, 04:20 AM
Lol, you're welcome mate. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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"I saw the men; I just couldn't do it!" -- Franz Stiegler after escorting Charles Brown's crippled B-17 across the North Sea.

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Friendly_flyer
09-02-2004, 08:32 AM
Luckily this time there'll be no questions about dead pilots. The planes were abandoned nice and orederly.

Fly friendly!

Petter B√¬łckman
Norway

Ob.Emann
09-03-2004, 02:31 AM
Managed to find a photo of this great event:

http://foto.vg.no/show_image_stream.php?bid=12538000&dx=527&dy=395

Notice how well preserved the Halkenkruez and unit marking are. Note that this is the He-111. Both the Heinkel and the Junkers will go to Germany after being recovered, in exchange for a 1960 F-104 Starfighter to be given to Norway as "payment".

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p1ngu666
09-03-2004, 02:44 AM
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so if we wanna preserve stuff, we should dump it in a lake up north? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Friendly_flyer
09-03-2004, 03:02 AM
That's basically the thing, yes. Cold water preserves things quite well. Dumping things in bogs in the tundra is best. There's been found mammoths, wholly rhinos and aurocs in amazing condition in arctic bogs, being 10 to 30 thousand years old!

Ehman, where did you find the photograph?

Fly friendly!

Petter B√¬łckman
Norway

ELEM
09-03-2004, 03:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
That's basically the thing, yes. Cold water preserves things quite well. Dumping things in bogs in the tundra is best. There's been found mammoths, wholly rhinos and aurocs in amazing condition in arctic bogs, being 10 to 30 _thousand_ years old!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's because the bogs have a very high acidity which reacts with the organic flesh of the creature to effectivly turn it into leather and pickle it. An aluminium a/c structure would not fare so well. Oh!, and I think you mean WOOLY Rhinos

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Friendly_flyer
09-03-2004, 03:34 AM
Uups, I do.

Anyway, in this case it's a matter of low temperature and not too much oxygene keeping chemical reaction to a minimum.

Here's another picture of the tail peeking up over the water, The paint is surprisingly well preserved, as you all can see:

http://www.adressa.no/bildegallerier/article.jhtml?articleID=506976&imageIndex=5

Fly friendly!

Petter B√¬łckman
Norway

butch2k
09-03-2004, 05:08 AM
Thanks a lot for sharing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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Ob.Emann
09-03-2004, 01:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
That's basically the thing, yes. Cold water preserves things quite well. Dumping things in bogs in the tundra is best. There's been found mammoths, wholly rhinos and aurocs in amazing condition in arctic bogs, being 10 to 30 _thousand_ years old!

Ehman, where did you find the photograph?

_Fly friendly!_

_Petter B√¬łckman
Norway_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Found it on another forum I frequent.

Thread w/ more info (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=58579)

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Friendly_flyer
09-03-2004, 03:12 PM
A very nice series of pictures showing the opperation to salvage the fuselage and wings:

http://home.no.net/jornaasl/jonsvatnet/serie1/

Fly friendly!

Petter B√¬łckman
Norway

AlexDavies
09-03-2004, 03:39 PM
amazing condition? you can still the the markings like it crashed yesterday.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/T_O_A_D/alexcopy.jpg