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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:33 PM
Comrades!
It's been more years than I'm going to admit since my last WWII sim, and it has become sadly apparent that I've forgotten more than most of you will ever know about flying these beasts. Well, forgottone more than I ever knew, at least!

I'm going to spend some time running solo, no-combat missions just so I can get my aerial chops back. Any suggestions about the best aircraft choice(s) for beginners? Better still, can you suggest a progression that will lead me up to the real Hot Dog planes?

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:33 PM
Comrades!
It's been more years than I'm going to admit since my last WWII sim, and it has become sadly apparent that I've forgotten more than most of you will ever know about flying these beasts. Well, forgottone more than I ever knew, at least!

I'm going to spend some time running solo, no-combat missions just so I can get my aerial chops back. Any suggestions about the best aircraft choice(s) for beginners? Better still, can you suggest a progression that will lead me up to the real Hot Dog planes?

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:36 PM
unfortunately the Tiger Moth is still in mothballs and under 60 years of dust. it will therefore take some time to establish a flight school.

I'm a crappy pilot, but one hell of a shot.

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:38 PM
I don't really consider it a newbie aircraft,but I think the Brewster Buffalo is a joy to fly(and very simple,too)/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
You might want to practice with it. Believe it or not,but online,I've brought down Doras with that little charm.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:41 PM
a YAK

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:41 PM
the il2 is nice and easy to fly and 109f4 is reasonably forgiving. yak3 is great as well.

some here will say just choose anything from vvs side as it's all for noobs, but they're just jealous.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:03 PM
Try a Hurricane (any version, although there is a Mk 1 trainer painted up at Il 2 Skins if you want to go down the full immersion road) - I get a wonderful sense of acheivement if I manage to stall in one /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:05 PM
Yup the Hurri is pretty easy to fly.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:27 PM
Really? The Hurricane is EASY to fly?!!?

That's pretty depressing. The very first FB plane I tried out was a Hurricane in a zero-enemy Quick Mission.
I appeared in mid-air, my nose gradually rising (I hadn't figured out elevator trim yet). I tried a moderately tight right turn, immediately went into a stall, then a flat spin, and thereafter watched helplessly as my 'Cane frisbeed to the ground, 2000 meters away.
I restarted the mission, and the same thing happened! Immediately!

The third time, I managed an extremely gentle left turn, but decided that I needed plenty of practice before I could survive a dogfight. Haven't been in a Hurricane since.

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:44 PM
The Stuka is about as trainer as you get. Fixed gear, very stabil. No bad snap tendancies or anything like that. Very manueverable but not to the point of being too much.

I'd start with the Stuka as a trainer until I got pretty good. Then progress to the IL2 as it's very good also, but big, and sort of sluggish. Which is why it seems so smooth in flight but can get in trouble in ground attack runs if you get it in the wrong position.

Then when you feel ready for the jump hop in a early model BF-109. I don't care what anyone says I found the BF-109 early model to be a kitty cat in the skies. It will snap with too much elevator but it's neither violent nore unrecoverable. Once you've gotten to that point you can steadily try about anything with moderate success.

I love I-16's, and actually went to the Buffalo (not a good learner) and then the I-16. Only recently I tried the BF-109 which I find easier to even land, and take off in than the I-16.
The buffalo like the I-16 has a major elevator sensitivity problem. A little too much, and you snap into a spin, and recovery is hard and requires mucho altitude. Almost rates impossible for a rusty pilot. Heck I let my friend have a go with a P-40.
It went like this fron 7500 feet...
Goes into a turn after a BF-109 with no ammo (just for target practice) snapped into a spin. Gave instructions he recovered, and immediately snapped into another spin. Recovered a third time, and snapped again immediately into a spin. This time the angle was right and the P-40 refused to recover.

Even a inexperienced new pilot can fly the Stuka though. Dive bombing is a total different story, but it's actually an easy form of bombing. Just flying though it really is a trainer.

You could probably start in a Sturmovik though it's not all that bad, and not a slug. Definitely a slug compared to a fighter, but not bad.

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:48 PM
If you're not to fight, and you want only essay basic manoeuvers, try the P.11c. Slow speeds, fixed carriage, no flaps, and very forgiving. It's the most similar to a true trainer plane.

Then pass to a Lagg-3, and then to P-39. These are nice to fly in Il-2 (what is not too realistic, but... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ).

Finally use the "beasts", but leave the hardest planes (109s, P-40s, 262 and bombers) for your final tries.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 08:12 PM
I think the best thing to do is fly the late Bf109's to get the feel of a plane. It's very easy and you don't have to deal with CEM. Once you get the feel of flying, try VVS planes like the B-239 and experiment with Prop pitch and fuel mixture control. After that, I will suggest you start gunnery training in a B-239 by going against enemy bombers with an empty ammo setting. Not the Me-323, but the Ju-88 makes a good target and it's engines and cockpit stick out so they are easy to hit. When you think you are ready to combat fighters, fly the B-239 in the QMB and set one plane on your side up, preferably the P-47, and try to knock that down with only a few burst to the cockpit and engine. Keep trying. Remember, in any plane, you can overcome any odds, IF you're a good enough pilot and a good enough shot.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 08:12 PM
oh, and DON'T slow down game speed, that only screws you up.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 08:18 PM
You are using a joystick aren't you.??

Because if you are trying to fly using the keyboard you will have problems. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:11 PM
Joystick? Oh my, yes, the most expensive that money can buy (Thrustmaster Cougar) + analogue rudders. One reason I haven't been flying much is that I haven't yet created a Cougar profile with all the bells and whistles I want.

Thanks for comments, all. I'm bumping this topic because I think many more people will enjoy putting in their 2 cents.

SliM

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:08 PM
If you want to kind of tailor it the way they did in real life start with a biplane.....then go to a small mono..like the Brewster...then to a La5..

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:29 PM
La-3 is also a goo one to try for flying. Just watch ur baraking as the La's have a tendenecy to nose on hard braking


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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 11:01 PM
The Yak-1B is also a good aircraft to start with.

The Yak-7B is actually the fighter derivative of the Yak advanced trainer, so it's also a relatively easy aircraft to fly, though I find the Yak-1B has a slightly farther forward center of gravity, making it a bit more stable.

The current Hurricain is actually much trickier to fly than it was in 1.0.

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09-09-2003, 11:01 PM
I still like the P-40 very stable and lets you dead stick easily when flying long maps


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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 02:07 AM
hehehe you could be in my situation, experienced on the Me-262 yet a total n00b on prop fighters. I could give ya 262 pointers when your ready to fly that

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 02:54 AM
I find the 262 easy to fly but in combat is where it gets me.

The throttle is something you can't be too quick with and combat in a 262 is near impossible for me as I almost always set myself on fire.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:38 AM
once your over 50% power, the Jumo 004 engines are able to handle rapid power changes, but you'll rarely need to drop below 70% in combat. I go have my throttle at a minimum of 85% untill I hit combat when it changes from between 70 to 100%. How long have you been flying the 262, the best way I can think of in regards to getting better on the throttles is to just test it.

When I got FB, the very first thing I did was jump into a 262 and purposely over accelerate. my engines blew up right away, but now I have it to a state of rapid throttle up, but not too fast to kill the engines. Just takes alot of playing and testing and most likely crashing as it was for me

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 05:24 AM
I am still a newbee, but I had the same question. Try a P11 and practice on a TB3 for gunnery. The P11 is almost impossible to stall and if I can land it, any one can! When you go TB3 hunting, select the option with the larger guns. I went to a YAK and a BF 109G and now almost exclusively fly 109F and G. Good flying.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 05:41 AM
It's just a simulator. Crashing doesn't cost anything, so fly whatever you like!

The TB-3 is probably the most forgiving airplane to fly, even considering it's a multi.

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 05:10 PM
OK, thanks for your ideas, everyone.

Now, all I need to do is quit my job and I can find time to try them all!

-SliM