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LeadSpitter_
02-07-2004, 01:25 PM
Author Topic: somewhere in Russia's swamps...
Lagarto
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posted 02-07-2004 06:59
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... a forgotten 190; amazing clip!

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LeadSpitter_
02-07-2004, 01:25 PM
Author Topic: somewhere in Russia's swamps...
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posted 02-07-2004 06:59
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... a forgotten 190; amazing clip!

http://www.kolonianet.pl/miczel/ru/xfw.avi

http://www.geocities.com/leadspittersig/LSIG.txt
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georgeo76
02-07-2004, 02:13 PM
Awesome find Spitter!,Do you have any other info? Are their plans for restoration?


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BS87
02-07-2004, 02:17 PM
What codec is needed? WMP 9 tries to download it but gets and error.

LeadSpitter_
02-07-2004, 02:25 PM
you can get the codecs here http://www.mariawillson.com/DivX511Bundle.exe

georgeo, Lagarto from simhq posted the original. Theres no additional info, I would like to know too.

http://www.kolonianet.pl/miczel/ru/ theres a couple other vids here i havent checked them out yet.

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02-07-2004, 02:29 PM
Thats an awesome find...hopefully some kind of restoration can take place!

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02-07-2004, 02:48 PM
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Author Topic: somewhere in Russia's swamps...
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posted 02-07-2004 06:59
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... a forgotten 190; amazing clip!

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Cannot quite see......what variant Fw 190 is it ??

LeadSpitter_
02-07-2004, 02:56 PM
Its a 190A, im not sure what version

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robban75
02-07-2004, 02:56 PM
Wow! That's really awesome! Thanks for posting it Lead! Is that an A-4 or perhaps an A-5? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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02-07-2004, 03:41 PM
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kyrule2
02-07-2004, 04:21 PM
Thanks LS, good stuff.

Position of radio access panel would suggest it is definitely an A-5 or above. Hard to tell from video if upper cowling is bulged or not but it doesn't appear so (then again from some angles it does) which would mean it is an A-5 or A-6. Also the location of the yellow theatre band (thinner, behind (not over) swastika) is consistent with 190F variants. Can't see wings so it is unknown if there are outer wing cannons which would tell alot. This is just my initial impression so who knows.

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kyrule2
02-07-2004, 04:35 PM
Location of pitot tube would help also. Looking at it again real quick I don't think the cowling is bulged so my gues this is an A-5, A-6, or an F-2/3.

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pourshot
02-07-2004, 04:41 PM
Has anyone downloaded the last video,what the hell was that all about http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Xnomad
02-07-2004, 05:41 PM
Either those trees weren't there when he crashed or he was pretty lucking making it in, more or less, one piece maybe the wings came off it's difficult to see.

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Korolov
02-07-2004, 06:28 PM
Looks like a F-8 or a bomber variant of the Fw-190A. The machine gun bulges look like the 13mm on the A-7 and A-8. The fuselage doesn't have a number marking or any fighter markings, but instead have letters which probably makes it a F.

Very cool.

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h009291
02-07-2004, 07:39 PM
Yes .. amazing. It's incredible that it's in that good of shape. Still paint and the gauges look ok. After nearly 60 years !!

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RaiderSix
02-07-2004, 09:51 PM
Wow! Check out the rest of their videos. It seems that Russia is very rich with historical artifacts from WWII. They exhume a German SS soldier, destroy some ordianance, and then dress up in period uniforms to play war games (complete with real machine guns). Can't say I blame them, just hope they are using blanks.

Davea011
02-07-2004, 11:09 PM
Russia is quite rich in a variety of military artifacts, and not just those from WWII.

I recall on the History Channel some time ago a show called "Battlefield Detectives." In this particular episode, they were researching the charge of the light brigade, and trying to determine if it really happened or not. (I won't spoil it for you by revealing the outcome.) Problem was, plenty of other battles had been fought on that one little area -- this place, like many others, was no stranger to warfare. There was a bit of an issue in sorting out the artifacts recovered and dating them properly. The one that stuck in my head was the human toe bone discovered in one particular area. I'm sure plenty of other remains were found, but that's the one that was mentioned and that's the one I think about. (For the record, when I'm sitting around with the family watching TV and there's WWII guncam footage playing, and the plane pictured is taking a severe beating, I'm the one who's saying, "Get out of that plane, get out of that plane, what the hell are you waiting for, get out of that damned plane" over and over again...I'm a bit of a softie like that.)

Another thing that bears mentioning here is an article I read in the Shotgun News sometime back. I don't remember the name of the author but I do recall that it was distinctly Russian. He was discussing the present issues in the former Soviet Union with illegal weapons and organized crime. The interesting thing was, he had some descriptions (and pictures) of WWII-era weapons that had been restored to perfect (or not so perfect) working condition and were seeing use again. This always strikes a chord with me, as I collect, maintain, and shoot more than a few WWII-era weapons myself.

RaiderSix -- as far as the SS soldier is concerned, I certainly hope that he received a decent burial. (I'm sure that he did.) Nationalities and religions aside, few people deserve to spend eternity buried in an unmarked grave in a swamp -- even the so-called "bad guys." I also hope that they eventually figure out who he was and contact any remaining family, if they still exist.

The way those individuals handled that ordnance scared me a bit. I was (until recently) an ordnance worker myself (among other things), and while one can be quite rough with modern ordnance, WWII-era explosives that've spent 50+ years in a swamp are a different story. I wouldn't have wanted to even stare hard at those bombs, let alone picked them up. Perhaps the handlers know something that I don't, but I could've sworn there were fuzes on the noses of those things.

As far as the re-enactment, I wouldn't worry about it. They were using blanks. Firing actual projectiles through firearms generates far more recoil than blanks do -- the "recoil" the weapons are generating in that video are the result of the weapons' operating parts moving back and forth, and nothing else. As a general rule of thumb, if a weapon is firing and it looks like it does in movies, blanks are being fired. If the shooter is getting knocked around a bit, it may be for real.

Whatever the case, they were good videos. I'm glad that some of these instances are being documented by the Russians. Humanitarian concerns aside, any such excavation is educational if nothing else and should be recorded for this reason alone.

T_O_A_D
02-08-2004, 01:17 AM
That is unbeleivably AWSUM! Could you imagine finding that? Looks like its be pic at a small bit. Maybe the pilot some gauges are missing. But Basicly its all there. Unbelievable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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robban75
02-08-2004, 03:26 AM
The cowling is somewhat opened and distorted from the crasch, creating an illusion that it's bulged. The cooling slots appear to be closed. So they are of variable kind which first showed up on the A-5. So, I think its either an A-5 or an A-6. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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02-08-2004, 06:05 AM
It seems the link is dead http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif