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CHDT
08-02-2004, 06:16 AM
I'm not a specialist of the aircraft carriers, but it seems to me that the PF Lexington is being modelled in its pre-war configuration...

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/images/usa/cv2-3.jpg

... rather than its configuration after Pearl-Harbour....

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/images/usa/cv2-4.jpg

I'm especially thinking of the ship color and the big gun turrets!

Cheers,



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[This message was edited by CHDT on Mon August 02 2004 at 05:33 AM.]

CHDT
08-02-2004, 06:16 AM
I'm not a specialist of the aircraft carriers, but it seems to me that the PF Lexington is being modelled in its pre-war configuration...

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/images/usa/cv2-3.jpg

... rather than its configuration after Pearl-Harbour....

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/images/usa/cv2-4.jpg

I'm especially thinking of the ship color and the big gun turrets!

Cheers,



P.S. "view image" in case of trouble to see the pics!

[This message was edited by CHDT on Mon August 02 2004 at 05:33 AM.]

CHDT
08-02-2004, 06:20 AM
On this 1941 pic, the turrets are still there, but the painting is much darker than on the PF Lexingtion. THere are also many differences in the structures from the pre-war config.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/histories/cv02-lexington/lex1941sea.jpg

Btw, I really would like to see the skins of the aircrafts carriers made by weathering artists like Hammerd for instance!

[This message was edited by CHDT on Mon August 02 2004 at 05:28 AM.]

Fennec_P
08-02-2004, 06:26 PM
The ship was intended to be that configuration.

It was in that state for a short time after the USA entered the war. Whether it saw combat in that configuration, I don't know.

Dawg-of-death
08-02-2004, 07:49 PM
I was on her last year......
Looks a little differnt now.


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Patditlepat
08-02-2004, 11:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dawg-of-death:
I was on her last year......
Looks a little differnt now.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol.
You were on her, at the bottom of the sea... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

CHDT
08-03-2004, 12:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The ship was intended to be that configuration. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very strange! Why did they choose a config and a color which are not accurate for the Lexington during the war?

Fennec_P
08-03-2004, 11:52 AM
The color is accurate to textual descriptions, and other photographs.

A "Coral Sea" Lex may have been more relevant, but photos and schematics for it are elusive.

CHDT
08-03-2004, 12:13 PM
I'm really not sure you're right. A "PF" Lexington should rather be painted with this dark scheme:

http://navysite.de/cv/cv16_2.jpg

http://navysite.de/cv/cv16.htm

Cheers,

CHDT
08-03-2004, 12:21 PM
The Lexington CV-2 was already painted dark-grey in October 1941:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020212.jpg

To say the truth, the light-grey finish will surely look anachronic with Hellcat and Corsair aboard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020208.jpg



P.S. "view image" if the pics don't show.

Or direct links here:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/02.htm

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/03.htm

http://navysite.de/cv/cv16.htm

[This message was edited by CHDT on Wed August 04 2004 at 12:16 AM.]

CHDT
08-03-2004, 12:28 PM
As a comparison:

http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/210504/grab0048.jpg

It seems to me that this beautiful model is a pre-war config before the changin on the chimney and most important at the nose of the ship which is more square and massive on the Lexington as it was used during the war in the Pacific.

Perhaps, this plan....

http://www.sssbrno.cz/monako/images4/LodLexington_01.jpg

... has been used, which shows a pre-war config.

Cheers,

Fennec_P
08-03-2004, 04:07 PM
nt

Fennec_P
08-03-2004, 04:08 PM
Like that plan, but a later version. Main difference being the front of the deck, which was widened.

The paint is a "measure 3" scheme with grey superstructure, and striped hull, which the ship supposedly had at the outbreak of the war.

BTW, the CV16 is a different ship from this one. It was a Essex class carrier commissioned after the original Lex (CV2) was sunk.

This is about the best picture of the latest CV2 variant. Main difference being redesigned forecastle, removal of large guns, and switching to 20mm, 40mm and 5" AA armament.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h51000/h51382.jpg

[This message was edited by Fennec_P on Tue August 03 2004 at 03:16 PM.]

Tooz_69GIAP
08-03-2004, 06:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patditlepat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dawg-of-death:
I was on her last year......
Looks a little differnt now.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol.
You were on her, at the bottom of the sea... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eh.....I thought the Lex was made into a museum after 1991???

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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NegativeGee
08-03-2004, 08:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:


Eh.....I thought the Lex was made into a museum after 1991???

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was, but not Lexington CV2 which was sunk by torpedo and bomb hits 8th May 1942. Lexington CV 16 is the museum (aka the "Blue Ghost").

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BSS_Vidar
08-03-2004, 11:54 PM
The Lex, as well as the other three in the fleet had their deck staing dark sea blue. Plus the taper at the bow was squared off. But, if the Essex clas is in PF, we'll fly off them more often anyway.

But the Pre-war Lex is a thing of beaty in PF. Nice job to whom ever did the work.


BSS_Vidar

IV_JG51_Razor
08-04-2004, 09:21 AM
Yeah, it is a beautiful model. Think about how it would look with a deck load of F3Fs, SB2Us, and TBDs, all painted up in prewar colors! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Tetrapack
08-04-2004, 11:17 AM
The 8" twin turrets of the USS Lexington were replaced by 1,1" Quadruple AA guns during a short refit in Pearl Harbor between 26 March and 15 April 1942.

Her sistership USS Saratoga unloaded the 8" turrets and its mounts already in January 1942 in Pearl Harbor, after the carrier had been torpedoed off Hawaii by a Japanese submarine. During repair the turrets were replaced by 5"/38 (dual purpose guns) in twin turrets.

The eight 8" turrets from both carriers were placed as shore defence batteries in Hawaii.

All warships were darkened as soon as possible after war broke out.. the picture below shows USS Saratoga in May 1942 (after repairs were completed, also showing the new 5" turrets):

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020307.jpg

Flydutch
08-05-2004, 05:51 PM
Hold on to your horses gents!

We are talking two diffrent Lexingtons here,
The one in the preview is USS Lexington CV-2 ("Lady Lex") that was a prewar Battleship design redesigned to become a carrier Along with her sister Saratoga "Sara".
She was bombed out of commision in the Battle of the Coral sea, Then 1943 CV-16 was given her name and was nicknamed "The Blue Ghost"
She was designed to be a carrier.

Since this is a WIP I hope the design team is aware of the fact that corsairs could have never landed on CV-2!

Otherwise they should vissit:

www.navsource.org/archives/02idx.htm (http://www.navsource.org/archives/02idx.htm)

rbstr44
08-06-2004, 07:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flydutch:

We are talking two diffrent Lexingtons here,
The one in the preview is USS Lexington CV-2 ("Lady Lex") that was a prewar Battleship design redesigned to become a carrier Along with her sister Saratoga "Sara".
She was bombed out of commision in the Battle of the Coral sea, Then 1943 CV-16 was given her name and was nicknamed "The Blue Ghost"
She was designed to be a carrier.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for sorting this out.

A very minor point: her keel was laid down as a battlecruiser (although, if her naval architecture at that level was the same as a battleship's that would not surprise me).

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/histories/cv02-lexington/cv02-lexington.html

The "Blue Ghost" is a museum worth visiting if you are in/around Corpus Christi, Texas.

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[This message was edited by rbstr44 on Fri August 06 2004 at 06:29 AM.]

BSS_Vidar
08-06-2004, 01:49 PM
I think most realize we are talkin' about CV-2. But right after Pearl Harbor, she had been modified and here deck had been stained dark sea blue well before she had been lost. I think people want to acertain a pre-war vs. war period version 'in game' is whats being discussed.

BTW... A very true statement... Corsair's never sat on her deck.

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